I don't believe it - I hope Apple holds off the iMac until you show us your money
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Time to launch an iMac I guess.I don't believe it - I hope Apple holds off the iMac until you show us your money
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OK, we will slot the iMacs in October ... after the new Mac Minis but before the Mac Pro
October works lol sounds goodOK, we will slot the iMacs in October ... after the new Mac Minis but before the Mac Pro
OK....It seems to me whoever wrote this just said to themselves
"MacMini?? hmm oh yeah a processor upgrade or something mumble mumble".
I would not get any hopes up. Besides it needs a hell of a lot more than just a processor upgrade.
"MacMini?? hmm oh yeah a processor upgrade or something mumble mumble".
I would not get any hopes up. Besides it needs a hell of a lot more than just a processor upgrade.
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They already have the logic design done... take one of the MacBook Pros... rip the monitor off, discard the battery, take the logic board and rework it to fit in a small sized case... and poof... a Mac Mini. Yes, I know it was oversimplified, but if they are not going to do a rework into the Mac Pro (headless from top to bottom) redesign ... it is also not that difficult. Keeping "computer part" the same as the MacBook Pro limits the number of totally unique designs to support in the OS.
The effort they put in is finding ways to gimp it to push you to buy their laptop-on-stick instead.
The reason why I am "guessing" October other than it is a fairly common date for the iMac refresh... The rumoured release of the 9900K is supposed to happen in August/September -- which I hope Apple already has samples of so that they can have the CPUs tested and installed in the new iMac... for the October window. I am growing more confident that Apple is FINALLY listening and releasing Macs that are interesting to enthusiasts (Mac ones -- not gamers
)... which bodes well for the Mac Pro sometime (probably early) next year. I am just hoping this reinvigorated Apple extends to a new Mac Mini (which if they do it -- probably won't be the "switchers" platform anymore -- i.e. likely minimum several hundred dollars increase in price for lowest end version) - a lower end headless platform... I actually would not be surprised if it is maybe ready but being delayed until they have their monitor(s) ready at the same time. (so it might get delayed until same time as Mac Pro).Does gaming enthusiast vs pro enthusiast matter at all? At the end of the day silicon is silicon, the only difference between professional hardware and gaming hardwares is ECC and drivers. Core i9 vs Xeon, it’s just minor clock difference and ECC support and it’s not like any Mac app can take advantage of ECC at all and it’s much more expensive. Quadro V6000 or GeForce 1180 Ti, they can do anything better than the pathetic current ATI offerings.The reason why I am "guessing" October other than it is a fairly common date for the iMac refresh... The rumoured release of the 9900K is supposed to happen in August/September -- which I hope Apple already has samples of so that they can have the CPUs tested and installed in the new iMac... for the October window. I am growing more confident that Apple is FINALLY listening and releasing Macs that are interesting to enthusiasts (Mac ones -- not gamers
Yes, that does matter, because gaming enthusiasts usually consider price and raw GPU/CPU power over anything, while Mac enthusiasts (who might happen to also be gamers) and/or Pro users might care for flash storage speed, display color gamut, nice construction and build and design, modern I/O, innovative features and stuff like that just as much and be willing to pay for that.
Yes, what is not important is outright specs - they are just a contributing factor (for video). What I would want to know is how it affects workflow. How does FCPX run on standard Apple graphics processors, and how does it run on 1080TI. (I am not a video professional - but I have heard conflicting reports depending on workflow). i.e. Apple writes the Metal level drivers for AMD, while for nVidia - they have not used them recently because nVidia requires you use their stack of drivers.
ECC can be very very important depending on what you are using the workstation for. A study done by UofT indicated that there was an average of 1-bit error per hour for 32GB (based on calculations I did using their raw data). This is not a memory failure (abend), but just the wrong data. In non-ECC memory you would have wrong data or wrong code in the memory (most likely data or unused memory) -- and you would just not realize it but it could affect you without you knowing it until it is too late (this is the reason why the space shuttles had 5 computers that voted because they had to be sure that they were relying on the right results). When you talk about the cost difference between a decked out Workstation with ECC memory etc. and a hackintosh with consumer parts - it really works out to an expense difference of maybe $0.30 per business hour (based on 3 or 4 years about 8 hours a day). If you are just a youtube production operation this, of course, would not matter since if it failed noticeably you would just redo it, but if your production is high multi-million dollar production... it might matter. (probably why those that abandoned Apple went with HPC Xeon workstations).
What we really need are some more new watch bands!
Updating Macs? Is Tim losing his focus?
Updating Macs? Is Tim losing his focus?
What does a desktop tower have to do with the display? Buy your own 8k Samsung monitor with HDR. Apple will forever use mediocre LG ones. Flash storage should just be swappable so people can choose between 4TB sata drive or 1TB NVMe drive for the same price. Or both. The most important thing is enough PCIe lanes and a diversity of I/O including the fastest ones. And for crying out loud Apple needs to stop trying to “innovate” in the wrong place. Nobody needs another crappy trash can. It’s not necessary in the desktop space. Do it in the mobile space instead.
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There are of course apps that can benefit from ECC ram. Like CAD. But what CAD program runs on Mac? SolidWorks? Windows exclusive. AutoCAD? Oops, also windows only. What do most “professionals” do on a Mac? FCPX, photoshop, Mac/iOS app development? Absolutely 0 benefit from ECC. Want it to be more stable? Reducing the damn temperature would probably be more effective. Yes, the iMac “Pro” would constantly run at 90°C+ and thermal throttles under load.
Did I mention the Radeon “Pros” and “FirePros” apples uses in the iMac Pro and Mac Pro are NOT real workstation grade components? It’s NOT the real Radeon Pro WX9100 or FirePro W9100 respectively. It’s just glorified gaming Vega 64 and HD 7970. Just underclocked and with more vram. And NO ECC memory either nor the certified workstation drivers. So even if SolidWorks ran on OS X, those “pro” machines still wouldn’t benefit from it. Scientific computing? Nope, Vega does not have the FP64 double precision compute capabilities. A Quadro P4000 (professional GTX 1070) would kill any Mac in professional work.
May you enlighten me, what is a program/app that
1) runs on OS X
2) can benefit from ECC ram
3) does NOT require a certified workstation GPU
4) does not run for extended period so that the iMac Pro doesn’t burn through the screen (m295x iMac anyone?)
AutoCAD has been on the Mac for over 5 years. They also have an active Mac Development team and community testers. And AutoDesk actively takes feedback from the community and makes a great CAD experience on the Mac. (Now if only we could have a native Revit).
Mac Mini is a notebook grade PC , If they use AMD Ryzen in it it will be faster anyways.
as for Nvidia stuff , forget it , Apple will never put a dedicated GPU in Mac Mini . it will compete against the iMac and people will never buy iMAC if the Mac Mini GPU is dedicated. they will just buy a cheap monitor and MAC mini. and thats why Apple will never make MAC MINI more powerful.
I love my AirPods...my biggest wish is for them to be able to connect to multiple devices simultaneously. For instance, I work on my iPad Pro, and like to watch videos or listen to music. If I have my phone beside me, I have to connect to that before I can use it for phone calls etc. It’d be nice to just be able to hear whichever device I’m using at the moment. My Bose QC35s do this, so I know it’s possible.