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Both are fine options from Silverstone but the power supply options on the SG05 can make it pricey from a base $99 for a decent 300W.

Silverstone even has some hand crafted aluminium cases. Your Mac Pro weeps tears.

I was going for the 450w included in the last revised 05 for $110. I might just plump for the 07 w 600w for $190. It's a beast of a supply that puts out well over 700w before shut down and the case fits the biggest of the big GPUs. If I wanted a full sized case, the Fortress ft02 looks great but that is too big for my wants.
 
Let's not quote the unreliable source. The case that is full of "old-fashioned emptiness" is 1/2 inch shorter. It seems to me Apple is going in the right direction: slimmer, simpler. They found that after the "old-fashioned" shock of reading that the MB Air had no optical drive, people stopped and thought for a moment, "How often do I use an optical drive?" The answer for most folks is almost never. We buy movies from iTunes store or Netflix. In five years, the tower case will be as rare as hen's teeth. We just don't need as much hardware as we did ten years ago. Software is replacing it in many ways.
 
Is it simple to replace the regular hard drive? I ordered the dual core i7 version, and the processor is all i upgraded because I thought i could just change the ram and hdd on my own.

so did i think correctly?

I did exactly the same thing, plus thinking I could eventually add a SSD in the second slot. Hopefully that cable becomes available.
 
I was going for the 450w included in the last revised 05 for $110. I might just plump for the 07 w 600w for $190. It's a beast of a supply that puts out well over 700w before shut down and the case fits the biggest of the big GPUs. If I wanted a full sized case, the Fortress ft02 looks great but that is too big for my wants.
I had forgotten about how little more you had to spend to get the 450W version of the SG05. I had my eyes on that for my next build. I was not too fond of the appearance of the SG07 but I invested it some more and took a look at the picture galleries. I would not mind that option either but I am quite happy with GTX 560 Ti level video cards. The HD 6950 falls in there as well but ATI has some obscene PCB lengths once you creep past the 5770/6770 style cards. There are GTX 460/560 cards from Palit at 8.5". I believe my current GTX 460 hovers just over 9". Even I consider that to be a massive card.

What bothers me is that there are still few good Micro ATX options. I have stuck with the P180 mini for over two years now but I want to find a replacement. I have considered larger cases or another Micro ATX one from Fractal or Silverstone. I might just keep waiting until Ivy Bridge is out to decide to stick with Micro ATX or go down to Mini-ITX.

I have considered the FT02 (without the side window panel) as well.

The answer for most folks is almost never. We buy movies from iTunes store or Netflix.
Better to get it for free from the library.

In five years, the tower case will be as rare as hen's teeth.
I appreciate smaller, quiet computers but I am unwilling to accept mobile CPUs or integrated graphics.
 
What bothers me is that there are still few good Micro ATX options. I have stuck with the P180 mini for over two years now but I want to find a replacement. I have considered larger cases or another Micro ATX one from Fractal or Silverstone. I might just keep waiting until Ivy Bridge is out to decide to stick with Micro ATX or go down to Mini-ITX.

I can't wait. Need the build by October (SG08 may be out by then) to replace my iMacs which are 4yr old. I'm going with the zotac itx z68 if the bios gets updated or the sapphire h67 otherwise.

As a compact desktop, the mini makes an efficient case for a small server or general purpose machine (which is what mine is) but it's out of it's league even in the mini itx competition when it comes to gaming or heavy duty file storage. Even then, a repurposed laptop or netbook would serve most purposes. I guess I find it's usefulness less and less special. It's only OSX that keeps me interested and W7 is making me think twice about that. :rolleyes:
 
I can't wait. Need the build by October (SG08 may be out by then) to replace my iMacs which are 4yr old. I'm going with the zotac itx z68 if the bios gets updated or the sapphire h67 otherwise.
The SG08 looks delicious. I like that ZOTAC included Wi-fi on their Z68 boards. The BIOS does leave something to be desired though. Ivy Bridge should drop-in as well but I doubt you will need to update that soon.

As a compact desktop, the mini makes an efficient case for a small server or general purpose machine (which is what mine is) but it's out of it's league even in the mini itx competition when it comes to gaming or heavy duty file storage. Even then, a repurposed laptop or netbook would serve most purposes. I guess I find it's usefulness less and less special. It's only OSX that keeps me interested and W7 is making me think twice about that. :rolleyes:
Once you add a PCI-Express slot, things get out of hand.
 
No ODD = marketing push for iTunes

Guess that's 100 songs with the new price point...but I'll keep my previous ODD model (HD streams fine - oh and rips whole CDs and music awesomely too). Not a fan of accessorizing - step in the wrong direction atm, maybe in 3-5 yrs it'll work, just my 2 cents in any case.
 
The teardowns are quite useful for people who install hard drives.

The mini looks huge, but it is tiny compared to the average PC.

Still, after 6 years, and no one really sells a PC equivalent.

Considers how you define equivalent. If you are talking size, the mini-ITX form factor has a lot of traction and there are cases that just wrap the board not making space for expansion cards. That is about the size of the Mac Mini. However, yes, it still is a custom build.
 
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Are both ports sata3? I want to put 2 SSDs in raid in it.
 
Or just get one of these ...

Stackable 1TB HDD for Mac Mini from IOMEGA


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Am I missing something here. iFixit tore down the base model with no graphics card. Isn't the empty space where the graphics card for the $799 version goes? We already knew the case had room for 2 hard disks, as shown by the server model. I'd like to see a teardown of the $799 version to see if a second disk would fit in it.
 
Wow. This little screamer puts my early 2008 MBP to shame. It's amazing what you can cram inside such a small form factor these days.
 
Isn't the empty space where the graphics card for the $799 version goes? We already knew the case had room for 2 hard disks, as shown by the server model.
No. The discrete 6630M GPU is the chip next to the CPU, soldered on to the motherboard. There is plenty of room for the 2 hard drives. I placed a 15mm high 1TB drive in the space (I have the second SATA flat cable from a 2010 server on order, may use heatsink tape to affix it in place.)
 
No. The discrete 6630M GPU is the chip next to the CPU, soldered on to the motherboard. There is plenty of room for the 2 hard drives. I placed a 15mm high 1TB drive in the space (I have the second SATA flat cable from a 2010 server on order, may use heatsink tape to affix it in place.)
Not in the iFixit teardown. That is the Intel graphics chip next to it.
 
Why don't they offer two standard HDs?

It's simple, they'd make less money on the BTOs.


Though I would be interested to see what drive you could drop in, I was foolishly hoping I could drop a desktop HDD into it :eek:

But I know what I will be buying this weekend :D
 
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I would agree with you if only Apple will lower the price of those machines to reflect the cost of buying the external. They will be charging more for less.

They lowered the price from $699 to $599. How much is the external drive?
 
I had a broken SuperDrive in my MacBook (08) for almost 2 years. It had gotten out of calibration, and would burn only about a third of the CDs and DVD-Rs I would try. I finally got to where I pulled an Apple DVD burner out of the junk drawer, hooked it to a USB to IDE kit, and burned them that way.

Same issue for me, the drive in my 2008 MBP died so I got a USB Bluray drive, and for the record I hardly ever use it...
 
I'm fairly certain the Intel graphics "chip" is actually cooked into the CPU. That said, there's definitely not an AMD chip soldered onto the board of the iFixit teardown.
iFixit tore down the base model which doesn't have the AMD 8550 graphics. That's why I'm guessing the graphics card goes in the empty space available for the second drive.
 
It's about the cloud

That's great, Jon, but the difference between digital media stored on a DVD and digital media stored on a flash drive or external drive is non existent.

You mean other than the extreme difference in cost? I will give someone a DVD without blinking (10 cents), but I am not so generous with a flash drive. Because that costs $12 - $40 depending on the size, I want it back. Not only that, but everyone has a CD/DVD player, even those without computers. "I'm not dead yet!"

I sure hope your 10 cent DVDs last as long as you think they're going to last, I wouldn't count on it though.

If I am giving away a DVD, I don't care if it is archival. It is 10 cents, they can keep it, whatever.

However, pressed DVDs and CDs -- which I did describe -- will pretty much last forever. I only do a digital download if it is much cheaper -- like a single song--- so I do a lot of those. Sometimes -- as with Beatles music -- I can get a CD for half the price of what Apple charges for just a download, so I rip it to my iPhone. The CD is indeed archival quality. And codecs change over time time, and Apple has no problem obsoleting anything 'too old'. Some day I won't be able to play back my 'protected AAC' songs from Apple. My CDs sitting in the basement however can and will be reripped to the latest codec -- 512kbps AAC-super-plus, and I won't have to spend another penny. Music and video companies LOVE it when you re-buy the same old content. Atta boy! Baby needs a new helicopter!

You seem to want to talk about burned optical media, so let's go there, too. A good brand like Taiyo Yuden can be had for 10 cents a piece in bulk and are archival quality, unlike the crap you get from Memorex. I will trust that for archive more than ANY hard drive. Hard drives may die in just 3 years (like my last Seagate piece of crap). I don't consider anything backed up on a 2nd hard drive to be truly 'archived' either, though that is what I often do as well. Geez, even tape is safer than hard drives if you can still find it. Burn two copies on a Taiyo Yuden DVD, spend a whopping 20 cents in total, and put the disks away in a plastic sleeve. Only magneto-optical was safer than this (may it RIP).

The removal of optical media from Apple devices is really not about you running your own server farm of multiple hard drives to protect your memories. One solar flare and all of your cherished data is toast no matter how many magnetic copies you have (though I can't say I am worried about that too much, though it will happen SOME day) -- it is about creating a new market for Apple.

Apple wants you to stick everything in the cloud. Amusing to me, because backup on optical is almost free, immediate access on 2TB hard drives is incredibly cheap (entire new drives are less than premium storage sites annual fees). Apple/Google/IBM and others want to sell you server-based storage when for the first time in history, unlimited LOCAL storage is practically free (optical) or petty cash (1TB/2TB hard drive).

Removing optical from the Mini is about driving people to the cloud. This is also why Jobs hates Blu Ray. They want to kill off the alternatives, and 50gig per BD for a little over a buck is way more storage than you are going to get on the cloud for a buck. Burn two copies, you are much better protected than a server farm in India.

Stuff I use a lot, I will put in the cloud, but I will NEVER trust another company with my data for 'archive'. It is just bad judgment. Multiple hard drives and archival optical are vastly cheaper and way more reliable than the whims of a company offering free services. Apple has repeatedly shown its colors on how much they can be trusted when they shut down Web sites on Mobile Me and .Mac and just say, "GET OUT!" They may need to reformulate iCloud a few times before they get it right (this is time #3 already by my count), and they have no compunctions about tell you you better take your data or lose it. Apple isn't unique in this game by any means. Next they will charge you not to jerk you around, and per year you will pay more for your cloud storage than buying a new 2TB every year will cost, for less than a 10th of the storage cost.

Back the mini, isn't it used as a Home Theater PC a lot? No DVD? Really? With the recent Netflix fiasco, expect to see RedBox capturing marketshare. A Home Theater PC that can't run those $1 rentals from RedBox doesn't sound that great to me. Ah, I forget -- Macs are for the Elite! (not the 'Rest of us') We elite NEVER rent $1 DVDs/$2 BDs or get them for free from the library. I stand corrected.

Hey whatever -- I wasn't going to buy one anyway, so can't say I give a crap. I do love my iPhone and iPad, so I do love some of Apple's products, but I reserve the right to think for myself despite that. Not all that glitters is gold. I just find it amusing how my Apple brethren are willing to pay more for less and call it a plum. I see it with Lion as well.
 
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Apple is slowly changing the computing world again by removing optical drives and freeing up space for more useful things. The media seems to be quietly overlooking this process as there isn't a big deal being made about it.

It would be nice to see some major investment in improving Internet infrastructure as it's like the the Internet is going to be the future of content delivery and communication.
I'm sure the media will be all over it if they remove the optical drive from the imacs and/or the macbook pros. I don't think the mini is as visible at dealers as imacs and macbooks. If thats the way of the future they better get cracking on increasing bandwidth, dropping prices and increasing content.
 
Am I missing something here. iFixit tore down the base model with no graphics card. Isn't the empty space where the graphics card for the $799 version goes? We already knew the case had room for 2 hard disks, as shown by the server model. I'd like to see a teardown of the $799 version to see if a second disk would fit in it.

The optical drive is much bigger than a 2.5" hd so there is probably space for both an extra hd and a tiny GPU board.

No. The discrete 6630M GPU is the chip next to the CPU, soldered on to the motherboard.
That is also a possibility, it will then be a different motherboard. This may be more likely given that there doesn't appear to be a PCIe connector for the GPU on this board.

I'm fairly certain the Intel graphics "chip" is actually cooked into the CPU. That said, there's definitely not an AMD chip soldered onto the board of the iFixit teardown.

Correct. Intel GPU is part of the CPU now.

iFixit tore down the base model which doesn't have the AMD 8550 graphics. That's why I'm guessing the graphics card goes in the empty space available for the second drive.
It may be a different logic board altogether. We won't know until the $799 one is torn down.
 
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