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Apple has been telegraphing this for TEN YEARS, it’s not a premature decision. Good grief, is Apple supposed to leave USB-A on there forever? Then no one moves on and we end up with PC motherboards still sporting VGA ports 20 years past when they should have been removed. Sorry, time to move on, it’s really not that difficult.

Every server in my rack has a VGA port. THEY'RE USED, BECAUSE THEY WORK.

I don't need a 4k monitor on the rack, I will NEVER need a 4k monitor on the rack. VGA works well, the VAST majority of KVMs use VGA and USB-A, because not only is it good enough now, it will be good enough for the foreseeable future.

The minis in the rack have to have VGA dongles, it's annoying. Now new ones will have to have USB-A dongles because Apple can't be bothered to include ports that are STILL a standard and will continue to be a standard for decades.

Dropping ports that people use every day is idiotic.
 
Oh my, shades of the rage when Apple first removed the SCSI port,the floppy disk and then the CD/DVD drives. The peanut gallery went berserk when Apple held out adding USB-C to the iPhone. Now it’s objecting to USB-C only devices.

A Mac Mini with a Bluray drive would be incredibly useful. But Apple hates Bluray because they hate offline storage and local media, they prefer you rent those from them.

The Mac Mini is a utility device. I'm not saying no USB-A is the worst thing in the world, but people still plug in mice and keyboards, Apple's own USB-A to Lightning cables for Mac TrackPads and the Magic Mouse, etc.

If this is happening then I also want to see the rest of Apple's accessories drop Lightning. Talk about SCSI and Floppy, Lightning is more comparable to those at this point.
 
Personally, the last time I bought a monitor I got one with an integrated USB hub with support for both USB-C and USB-A. Work MacBook connected via a single cable to the monitor for power, serial, and display. Wired keyboard and mouse connect to the USB-A ports on the monitor. Nice clean setup. Now that I’ve retired, I’m looking to get a Mac Mini. I expect a similar setup with just a single USB-C cable to the monitor. Simple, clean and no dongles.

I guess my point is you don’t necessarily need dongles or a hub if you plan ahead. Of course, if you already have a hub-less monitor and USB-A keyboard and mouse then you’re out of luck. 🤷‍♂️
 
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A Mac Mini with a Bluray drive would be incredibly useful. But Apple hates Bluray because they hate offline storage and local media, they prefer you rent those from them.

The Mac Mini is a utility device. I'm not saying no USB-A is the worst thing in the world, but people still plug in mice and keyboards, Apple's own USB-A to Lightning cables for Mac TrackPads and the Magic Mouse, etc.

If this is happening then I also want to see the rest of Apple's accessories drop Lightning. Talk about SCSI and Floppy, Lightning is more comparable to those at this point.
Really! How so? The trend for the last several years has been going in the direction of digital delivery for pretty much everything. Hell, even videogames for the last several years has seen a major increase in digital delivery purchases and videogames for the PlayStation and XBOX both use BluRay technology.
 
So, we are holding an entry level consumer mac to Server level port requirements for a rack/datacenter? I have seen that a few times today watching this thread. I am all for USB-A ports if there is room, but talking about VGA is funny. If you need servers with all the legacy ports, you shouldn’t be using a Mac mini. I know people put minis in data centers, but that isn’t apples focus with this product.

All the other USB-A arguments are fair, we all have different needs.
 
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...or you could get a $6 USB-A to C dongle if you really need it. Many current "USB-C" devices are only USB 3.1 and won't work any faster over a USB-C port than they would over USB-A.

That’s just not true.

Not to mention you can’t hold on to old tech forever. Pretty much every new peripheral is USB-C. Why on earth should any company support USB-A when USB-C is far more compatible and far more popular in 2024? Why would any company limit the functionality of a port because some people use older stuff that can be easily adopted to a dongle? It makes zero sense.
 
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What a bloody relief HDMI and Ethernet and earphone make the grade - A hub can do USB Type 4 - and for the uber sentimental, that can be daisy chained. Now I am interested.
 
Can you imagine the thread if the RJ-45 connector becomes unusable to handle data loads as quantum computing becomes more mainstream…

Not a perfect example, but the short story is with advances in technology accelerating, this will always be a challenge.
 
In conjunction with removing USB-A ports Apple need to improve the Bluetooth reception on the Mac mini. It is currently abysmal. There are many people who have issues with wireless mice & keyboard because of this. This a just the result of a faulty design. As long as they are at it, the current wifi reception is not that great either.
 
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That’s a bummer, but I guess it’s just gonna drag me into replacing a handful of cables
 
In conjunction with removing USB-A ports Apple need to improve the Bluetooth reception on the Mac mini. It is currently abysmal. There are many people who have issues with wireless mice & keyboard because of this. This a just the result of a faulty design. As long as they are at it, the current wifi reception is not that great either.
Have you ever been totally happy with Bluetooth performance? Generally I've found it fine with keyboards/remotes/mice but sketchy with music.
 
Now, I get it, I’m not convincing anyone here, this is not about congruency or rational thinking, this is about “I got a many years old wired mouse that I love to use so I want to impose decades old ports on everyone else’s computers”.
Why are you so fixated on when the USB-A port was introduced? What counts is when it fell out of use, which is "not yet"!

The reality is that devices with USB-A ports and cables are still being sold today - and many "USB C" devices only use USB 3.1 and won't lose anything by being in a USB-A socket - and if they weren't Mac-specific they'll probably come with a USB-A adapter in the box... You can keep saying "USB-A is obsolete" until you are blue in the face, but that won't make it true.

OK, if the new Mx Pro Mini was going to replace 4 TB4 and 2 USB A sockets, with 6 TB4 sockets, getting a few USB-C to A dongles for a desktop wouldn't be a huge issue. Except that's not what happens - sounds like we're going from 6 USB ports to 5 USB ports which is (does hard math) one less port to use for keyboards, mice, memory sticks, scanners, printers, audio interfaces, lava lamps and all but the most expensive external drives. ...and, probably, only 3-4 of those sockets will support TB4 and DisplayPort, the remainder will just be differently-shaped USB 3 ports.

During the whole conundrum on lightning ports (which I find still great, easier to plug/unplug and lighter than the considerably bulkier by comparison USB-C)
...a Lightning port only partially supports USB 3, can't support Thunderbolt/USB4 speeds, can't carry 4k@60Hz video, can't charge at 100W+ and isn't rapidly becoming the industry standard for charging mobile devices (something that the rest of the mobile market has embraced and only Apple is whining about). Apple needed to switch to USB-C in the iPad Pro - and would probably have needed it on future iPhones if they're going to keep pushing them as video production devices.

USB-C's strong point is on mobile devices which need a single, multi-purpose port because they don't have room for anything else. It makes far less sense on desktops and regular-sized laptops with space for proper ports, where forcing multiple, independent resources like USB, Thunderbolt, DisplayPort and power through a limited number of (complicated and expensive) 'universal' connectors creates a resource bottleneck and 'port rationing'.

Meanwhile, the main area where people are moaning about Lightning is its use on the Magic Peripherals for Mac - Lightning isn't used anywhere else in the Mac ecosystem and, bizarrely, the rechargeable Magic peripherals with Lightning were introduced in the same year that Apple began moving the Macs to USB-C... I mean, it's not a dealbreaker, but it is pretty silly.

Not only should everyone switch to USB C by now, those ports used for charging should also have enough power to power a laptop.

That power has to come from somewhere.

On the Mini, it would mean a larger, more expensive, hotter-running power supply which - if they really must make the new Mini AppleTV-sized - would probably mean an external power brick.


Can not happen since by EU law everything must support USB-C until the law is changed
Pretty sure the EU law only applies to rechargeable devices (the clue is in the name: "Common Charger Directive), so it is irrelevant to the Mac Mini. Nor does it apply to wireless charging.

It certainly doesn't mean that there can't be new types of port - as long as battery-powered devices can be charged by a USB-C port. However, at least USB-C was designed as a multi-protocol "future proof" port, so it might last even longer than USB-A.
 
I use an adb keyboard as my daily driver, an og AEK, there are USB adapters out there for them :)
I wish I still had my Apple Adjustable Keyboard. Some of those adapters don't include a cable, and I bet you can use a USB-C cable adapter.
 
We’re at 9 years and counting with USB-C on Macs and crying about USB-A ports going away is hilarious. Go buy a $50 hub and move on with your lives. So much gnashing of teeth over old ports that Apple has telegraphed that they were going to remove as far back as 2015-2016 and the vitriol of the user base here has been just as silly since 2016.

If you need 20 USB-A ports go buy a PC. You’ll still need a couple of PCIe cards.

Supposedly this forum is full of tech enthusiasts and early adopters and once again the clinging to old tech around here is like old men and their ‘76 Mustang.
Macs are quite horrible with hubs and docks. I have spent between $10 to $499 docks and they ALL had issues with disconnects.
 
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