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Mac OS 10.13.1 Perfomance

Retromac2008

Retromac2008

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Is it slower than 10.13 ?

i read terrible things

EDIT: installed on 3 Macs


- Imac 27 with Gtx 780m without SSD : terrible stuttering

- MacBook Air 2011 : perfect, faster than sierra/High Sierra

- MacBook Pro 2015 : perfect, faster than sierra/High Sierra
 
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If you do a fresh install it’s fine. If not you run the risk of it lagging like no other.

I had it lag horribly, resintalled the OS and everything runs flawlessly afterwards.
 
Samanosuke said:
If you do a fresh install it’s fine. If not you run the risk of it lagging like no other.

I had it lag horribly, resintalled the OS and everything runs flawlessly afterwards.
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I did a fresh install for 10.13, another one ?
 
Samanosuke said:
If you do a fresh install it’s fine. If not you run the risk of it lagging like no other.
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o_O
You don't do a clean install at every point update. That's downright silly.
10.13.1 runs fine for me and I never read about "terrible things".
If it lags, find the culprit but don't wipe out your entire system.
 
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jeanlain said:
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You don't do a clean install at every point update. That's downright silly.
10.13.1 runs fine for me and I never read about "terrible things".
If it lags, find the culprit but don't wipe out your entire system.
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I always do a clean install when there is an update. It takes me all of an hour and I'm done. Just like I do with my iPhones. I always DFU restore at the .x updates.

From my experiences in the mobile industry, OTA has it's issues compared to clean installs.
 
i installed 10.13 not so long ago, and i did a complete wipe out install.

do you think i need to do it again for 10.13.1 ?

on a "old" imac 27 with gtx 780m MacOS 10.13.1 is stuttering insanely. (and was ok with 10.13)


now i m upgrading a macbook air and a macbook pro 2015 too.
 
I did a clean install for 10.13. The straight upgrade to 10.13.1 was simple and no issues at all.
 
Eligos said:
Upgrade to 10.13.1 went very smoothly!
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ashleykaryl said:
I did a clean install for 10.13. The straight upgrade to 10.13.1 was simple and no issues at all.
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me too, done.

On a Macbook Air MacOS 10.13.1 is perfect. The best version for this little ultrabook.

now i m going to upgrade the macbook pro 2015 too.


ATM only my Imac 27 with gtx 780m is stuttering :( and it was the fastest
 
I did a straight upgrade yesterday from Sierra to 10.13.1 on a 2017 MBP and it went without a hitch. I do think there were issues with the initial release and late beta versions of High Sierra, but it seems OK now.
 
Samanosuke said:
I always do a clean install when there is an update. It takes me all of an hour and I'm done.
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Then you don't have so many files to restore, iCloud services to enable (synching the Photos library can be very long even if you have everything locally), and you may not use Time Machine unless you have tons of hard drives to copy your entire system after each update (because Time machine would save everything). Not to mention that doing all this doesn't do good to your internal hard drive.
A clean install would take me several hours, and 600GB of my Time Machine backup after that.
 
I just installed High Sierra on a test hard drive from my Mac Pro. I updated a Sierra partition, so it was not a clean install.
It took an hour to download the installer from the App Store and nearly an hour to install.
I was afraid of troubles with the nVidia web driver but there was only a small problem when I installed this driver. The MacOS system blocked the extension from loading, but I could fix that. It was much better than the nightmares I expected. (sigh)
I didn't use APFS, so therefore I didn't install HS on an ssd. In this case, the system disk wouldn't be visible when I booted from my El Capitan partition.
I ran Cinebench and Geekbench and Heaven and the results were approx. the same in Sierra and High Sierra.
Surprisingly Parallels 11 seemed to work, but I didn't test it thoroughly. I encountered many problems with Word from Office 2011 when I tried to open complex old documents. Filemaker Pro 11 quits unexpectedly too.
Boot and shutdown time increased as expected, but I didn't have slow write speeds on my SSD.
So after all, it was a pleasant surprise.
But I still will stay with El Capitan and Sierra. It was just a test.
Conclusion for now: High Sierra is not faster than Sierra. But that could change in the future.
 
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I revived my later 2012 Mac Mini with some new ram and new SSHD. I started off with HS and noticed some slow downs in launching apps. Even built in apps like Mail, Photos, etc etc.

I did a clean install of Sierra and since then I have not noticed these little slow downs. Also, my memory pressure showed it was MUCH lower in Sierra than HS. If I ran Mail, Clemintine and Chrome, my memory pressure would be over 50% in the chart. With Sierra, I have even more open (terminal ssh'ed in my server, Photos app, Whatsapp, Messages,) and my memory pressure has not risen over 30%.

I am guessing since I can not run APFS, HS runs a tad bit slower in HFS. I would like to see some comparisons of Sierra and High Sierra (HFS, not APFS) and see.
 
Dominat0r said:
I revived my later 2012 Mac Mini with some new ram and new SSHD. I started off with HS and noticed some slow downs in launching apps. Even built in apps like Mail, Photos, etc etc.

I did a clean install of Sierra and since then I have not noticed these little slow downs. Also, my memory pressure showed it was MUCH lower in Sierra than HS. If I ran Mail, Clemintine and Chrome, my memory pressure would be over 50% in the chart. With Sierra, I have even more open (terminal ssh'ed in my server, Photos app, Whatsapp, Messages,) and my memory pressure has not risen over 30%.

I am guessing since I can not run APFS, HS runs a tad bit slower in HFS. I would like to see some comparisons of Sierra and High Sierra (HFS, not APFS) and see.
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could be connected to the lack of APFS. I have stuttering on the only mac without ssd (but with good specs)
 
I really have no problems at all with Sierra. I might upgrade to a SSD later. However, my mac is not my main machine. So it comes second atm. Maybe it will get a hand me down soon.
 
High Sierra is the worst update for me.
I have MacBook Pro 15" mid 2014 and its very slow for me. I did also fresh clean install, but after few days speed goes down. 10.13.1 fix iMessages for me, but its very slow. I hope, that future versions will fix it.
 
It may just be me but when using Safari it hangs on several sites. eg Twitter..only when I click on a tweet to open it up. Again...it may be just my set up.
 
Anyone running HS with with HFS+ and non SSD? I am curious to see others experiences with this setup is.
 
"Anyone running HS with with HFS+ and non SSD?"

I do -- for test purposes only.
I have HS installed on an -old- Lacie firewire800 HDD.
It boots up slowly -- of course.
Once up-and-running, HS is fairly "snappy".
If you launch a -large- app (such as Final Cut Pro X), again, the loading is slow, but once loaded it runs well enough.

I have no plans to use HS other than "in testing mode" at all.
Chances are, I'll never install it on my "working drives" (which are still running El Capitan).
 
Interesting. I have noticed pretty much exactly what you did. I guess it could be that its just optimized to run on APFS in certainly situations.

Thank you for the info.

Is there a reason why you do not run Sierra? (not High) Program compatibility?
 
Dominat0r said:
Anyone running HS with with HFS+ and non SSD? I am curious to see others experiences with this setup is.
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I am running HS on a 7200 rpm HD and I am planning to clone it to an SSD to avoid APFS conversion.
Performance is reasonably good on my Mac Pro 2009 6core 3,33 Ghz, boot time is slow however.
 
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