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Mac OS 10.4.7 Update Soon?
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bretm said:
Problem with Mail is that it does not follow Apple's design-guidelines.
related to this: I REALLY recommend Ars Technica's OS X-reviews. John Siracusa knows what he's talking about
ChrisA said:
Just a nitpick, but technically 10-4-7 isn't a negative number, because you go right to left on math operations, so 10-4-7 = 10-(-3) = 13.
tbrinkma said:
Where are you getting 10-(-3) from? 10.4.7 doesn't have anything in it like that. There are no three's, theres nothing that ads up to 13, and why the minuses.
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Nitpicking
If that's the only problem with Mail, then I'd say it's pretty good. Apple's human interface guidelines are not the Bible. Heck, to most people, even the Bible is not the Bible.
I've never confused the "Delete" button in Mail with the "Get Mail" button, and I think the Tiger look is a lot nicer than the Panther look.
Evangelion said:
If that's the only problem with Mail, then I'd say it's pretty good. Apple's human interface guidelines are not the Bible. Heck, to most people, even the Bible is not the Bible.
I've never confused the "Delete" button in Mail with the "Get Mail" button, and I think the Tiger look is a lot nicer than the Panther look.
macgeek2005 said:
he is doing 10-4-7 which equals 10-(-3) because 4-7 = -3
but ya, i don't know why he is minusing those numbers
macgeek2005 said:
ChrisA made the comment that if you replaced the dots in 10.4.7 with dashes to stop people from confusing it with a decimal number (despite having two decimal points), then people would get equally confused because 10-4-7 is a negative number. I just pointed out that 10-4-7=13, not the -1 that he was assuming, because mathmatical orders of operations go from right to left among equal priority operations. That means that mathmatically 10-4-7 is the same as 10-(4-7), which is the same as 10-(-3), which is the same as 10+3, which is 13.
Edit: I've bolded the important bit of ChrisA's post that I quoted in my original post to this thread in an attempt to minimize continued confusion. Either that, or I've been successfully trolled, in which case, nicely done, I didn't even see it coming. 😀
Some_Big_Spoon
macrumors 6502a
That ain't the only problem with Mail, but it's one of them. I find it slow, and not customizable enough. I've also has issues of it, or .Mac, losing mails that were clearly there, or sent. This is a topic for another thread, but yes, the GUI/design guidelines are wonky.
Evangelion said:
Some_Big_Spoon
macrumors 6502a
Got inside info? :-D
I'm looking forward to the update to fix some of the weirdness with the new MacBook. I have sound issues, Airport's in need of help, and preferences and settings don't stick to my system in some places (but do in others).
Also looking for heat and battery fixes, but I think I'll have to wait for later revisions.
I'm looking forward to the update to fix some of the weirdness with the new MacBook. I have sound issues, Airport's in need of help, and preferences and settings don't stick to my system in some places (but do in others).
Also looking for heat and battery fixes, but I think I'll have to wait for later revisions.
Bradley W said:
10.4.7 - its out!
Hey, just got 10.4.7 via Software Update!
In the UK and running a G5 iMac - about to install now! Can feel it getting nippier already 🙂
Regards
Michael
Hey, just got 10.4.7 via Software Update!
In the UK and running a G5 iMac - about to install now! Can feel it getting nippier already 🙂
Regards
Michael
Details of 10.4.7
The 10.4.7 Update is recommended for all users and includes general operating system fixes, as well as specific fixes for the following applications and technologies. It includes fixes for:
- preventing AFP deadlocks and dropped connections
- saving Adobe and Quark documents to AFP mounted volumes
- Bluetooth file transfers, pairing and connecting to a Bluetooth mouse, and syncing to mobile phones
- audio playback in QuickTime, iTunes, Final Cut Pro, and Soundtrack applications
- ensuring icons are spaced correctly when viewed on desktop
- determining the space required to burn folders
- iChat audio and video connectivity, creating chat rooms when using AIM
- importing files into Keynote 3
- PDF workflows when using iCal and iPhoto
- reliable use of Automator actions within workflows
- importing and removing fonts in Font Book
- syncing addresses, bookmarks, calendar events and files to .Mac
- compatibility with third party applications and devices
- previous standalone security updates
For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n303771.
For detailed information on Security Updates, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61798.
The 10.4.7 Update is recommended for all users and includes general operating system fixes, as well as specific fixes for the following applications and technologies. It includes fixes for:
- preventing AFP deadlocks and dropped connections
- saving Adobe and Quark documents to AFP mounted volumes
- Bluetooth file transfers, pairing and connecting to a Bluetooth mouse, and syncing to mobile phones
- audio playback in QuickTime, iTunes, Final Cut Pro, and Soundtrack applications
- ensuring icons are spaced correctly when viewed on desktop
- determining the space required to burn folders
- iChat audio and video connectivity, creating chat rooms when using AIM
- importing files into Keynote 3
- PDF workflows when using iCal and iPhoto
- reliable use of Automator actions within workflows
- importing and removing fonts in Font Book
- syncing addresses, bookmarks, calendar events and files to .Mac
- compatibility with third party applications and devices
- previous standalone security updates
For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n303771.
For detailed information on Security Updates, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61798.
aeneas07 said:
I too would love to know the answer to this question.
Come on apple, get your act together! Where's A2DP?
aranhamo said:
Apple is known for great UI and easse of use. And now they aren't even following their own guidelines?! And they don't even have a good reason to NOT to do so. It seems to me that they decided to change Mail for the sake of changing it, and they changed it for the worse. And it doesn't take a rocket-scientist to see how the change is bad when compared to what was there previously.
Knowing all that, I would be worried. Are they losing their touch?
sphereboy
macrumors 6502
Evangelion said:
I love the new Mail in comparison to what was there before. I love Smart Folders. I love the new clean look. If the icons are out of place for some, then change them around. There isn't an easier OS to modify than OSX. I've never had a problem with Mail. Maybe the Activity Window, but that is a minor thing.
sphereboy said:
But that doesn't change the fact that it's still against the UI-guidelines. The guidelines are GOOD, the new icons are not.
I beg to differ. Any OS that requires a third-party app (that costs money!) in order to do something as simple as changing the appearance of the icons is NOT "easy to modify"!
You obviously haven't used Linux or *BSD, since you seem to think that OS X is "easy to modify" 😉.
gekko513 said:
They are not. you can modify the GUI's with few mouse-clicks. You could serioysly make the GUI look totally different with minimium effort. And there's no need to pay someone in order to change the icons 😉.
Depends on the person. Some people think that Macs are a "pain to use".
bousozoku
Moderator emeritus
gekko513 said:
I'd say that's partly true, especially, if you don't have a good package to install.
During my 2nd encounter with Linux, I needed to change the resolution so I could see the whole GUI desktop at once. There was no point and click way to do it. Of course, the help I got everywhere I looked was "RTFM" because the enlightened were too busy trying to figure out how to modify something else.
I ended up resolving the situation by deleting the partition and forgetting Linux.
If someone finds Mac OS X difficult to modify, I'd say that it is in some places and rightfully so. There are some things that shouldn't be changed. If Apple needs to add some customisation, it's in firewall configuration, it's not in GUI changes. Basic operation is sometimes still rough after all these years.
bousozoku said:
Well, FWIW, there is a GUI today. Has been for quite some time already.
They say "RTFM" because the procedure IS documented in the manual, and they get tired after they answer the same questions 20 times.
That said, I see no reason for hostility between Mac-users and Linux-users. Both can co-exists beautifully with each other. A lot better than either of those could co-exists with Windows.