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Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) 7B85 Seeded to Select Developers

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Apple's Developer Connection has seeded Panther 7B85 to the remainder of developers eligible to receive the Panther seeds online. Earlier this week, Apple seeded Panther to Premier Developers.

Apple has announced that Mac OS X 10.3 will be available for purchase starting on October 24th 2003 at 8pm at retail stores.

Apple resellers are restricted from selling Mac OS X 10.3 to customers until this time, although are expected to start receiving stock a couple of days prior to the scheduled event.
 
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I've got my order in for 10.3 (up-to-date, for my G5) I'm slightly concerned about the "evening of the 24th" delivery thing. Does Fed Ex (or any delivery company) do evening delivery? Will I end up waiting until the next Monday to actually get it? Or am I just being paranoid? Is there a possibility that it will come early, or will the shipping company be instructed to hold it?

This is the first time I've pre-ordered something from Apple with a specific delivery date, so I'm just wondering how this normally works...
 
If they are getting builds this late i take it this stuff could be in 10.3.1?

Also i order a PB today, i wonder if i get OSX Panther preinstalled when it comes, its got a 10-15 day wait!
 
Well, as far as my past experience goes, this experience being with Jaguar, my package arrived two whole days prior to the date it was estimated to be shipped. My boss got his the day prior.

Having a friend who works at FedEx, he told me that they do start doing late runs at the end of October for the increase in holiday mail, where they send a second "flood" of drivers out in the mid afternoon, so I could see the possibility of them shipping the panther boxes to doorsteps later in the afternon, but most likely they'll start popping up in the morning or possibly the day prior.
 
I remember that people getting new Macs last year right before Jaguar (like the week before) had their machines shipped with the install CDs, but it was not pre-installed.

7 days left...
 
Originally posted by Freg3000
I remember that people getting new Macs last year right before Jaguar (like the week before) had their machines shipped with the install CDs, but it was not pre-installed.

7 days left...
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That is what happened with me last year. I got my imac like 9 days before jaguar was released. It had 10.1 installed, but came with the jaguar disc. Also, my panther order now says on or before october 24th.
 
Originally posted by CrackedButter
If they are getting builds this late i take it this stuff could be in 10.3.1?

Also i order a PB today, i wonder if i get OSX Panther preinstalled when it comes, its got a 10-15 day wait!
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This is just 7B85, the final build, nothing new, it has been out 3 weeks at least, I and many others been running it for 2 and a half.

eagerly awaiting my cd in the mail, I'm no pirate, I just like to get an early preview.
 
Already have my copy on order....but I couldn't wait, I had to try it. What I discovered was that it gave me an error when installing on my original 6 gig drive. My mac has an upgraded CPU in it. I hope this isn't the case when the final gets here. If it is and this is my only Mac I would be p**sed off big time.
It wont matter much since the Powermac I ordered should be here next week, but it would be nice to try it out on the old one too.

**update**
It finally worked if I updated to 10.3 and not installed from scratch. I think everyone is going to love this update. Even on a 450mhz G4 upgraded B&W, it gives it a year or more of useful life. Even more if you don't do demanding work on it every day. Cannot wait to see how it runs on a Dual!
 
Long Lead Time for PowerBook

I ordered my PowerBook on October 14 and Apple says it may ship on or before November 4th.

I asked if 10.3 would be included and the sales rep said that because of the late shipping date it could. He could be wrong though.

Can anyone say how 10.3 has improved since the WWDC preview version?
 
When I ordered Jaguar, I recieved it 2 days early. I'm also aware of late delivery available with FedEx and Airborne. I've also heard that Apple has hired these companies to deliver only Panther to every pre-orderd address in the US and Canada.

Here's to Hoping

TEG
 
Originally posted by jazzman45
I'm just double-checking here, but there is simply one version, right? There isn't a G5-specific for those getting it through up-to-date?
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AFAIK, it's "one size fits all" :)
 
Originally posted by reyesmac
Already have my copy on order....but I couldn't wait, I had to try it. What I discovered was that it gave me an error when installing on my original 6 gig drive. My mac has an upgraded CPU in it. I hope this isn't the case when the final gets here. If it is and this is my only Mac I would be p**sed off big time.
It wont matter much since the Powermac I ordered should be here next week, but it would be nice to try it out on the old one too.
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when 10.3 is releases I would be incredibly surprised if new drivers for upgrade CPUS were more than a few hours behind.... I also have an upgrade CPU, an 800mhz G4 Powerforce... it's my 'work' machine.
 
I am desperate to get my hands on Panther, but as my machine is used for business I am waiting to see what breaks before buying.

In the past my HP G85 MFD broke with Jag and I am also concerned about VPC, Quark, Macromedia Studio and iMovie.
 
Panther is cool

I've been running Panther 7B85 now for a few days... have been experiencing intermittent problems w/ iChatAV and iSight (cam not being recognized) that seems to be quite prevalent even with those who are running 10.2.8, so no real news on that front. Also, iChatAV is not final release in Panther... 2.0 (145) is what I see.

Otherwise, some cosmetic changes... Expose is awesome, UI seems a bit more refined and more responsive, labels are back, pinstripes are much more subtle, tabs have changed into rectangular "buttons" centered on a horizontal line, etc. Startup sequence is much faster from power on -- almost half the time on my PowerBook -- but I do get a beachball now while the desktop is loading, which I did not have in 10.2.8.

So far, the system seems very stable. I haven't encountered a single application that won't run or is having trouble, so kudos to Apple on this.

By the way, in order to burn the quantities Apple needs for its Panther shipment, it most likely has sent the binaries off for replication over a week ago, so the developer releases you are seeing now are almost assuredly the final "gold master" release. Any further releases will most likely be rolled into future updates.

Cheers!
 
Too bad my G3 MiniTower can't run Panther. I meen it's 333mhz, 512mb RAM, and I think it could handle it. Too bad Apple pulled the plug on it. I still have my PowerBook, iBook, and my Dad's PowerMac G4. Looks like we need a family pack :p
 
Originally posted by foniks2020
when 10.3 is releases I would be incredibly surprised if new drivers for upgrade CPUS were more than a few hours behind.... I also have an upgrade CPU, an 800mhz G4 Powerforce... it's my 'work' machine.
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Well, the only problem is that the kernel extensions required to support the off-chip cache are not stable under Panther most likely. Ones that don't need them should work just fine (like a G4 upgraded Pismo or Lombard).

The biggest problem is the fact that this guy is on a 6GB HD... considering the base Panther install is now 2GB, and an Archive/Install is over 3GB... it could be a problem. Maybe more information on the error is in order.
 
Originally posted by LimeiBook86
Too bad my G3 MiniTower can't run Panther. I meen it's 333mhz, 512mb RAM, and I think it could handle it. Too bad Apple pulled the plug on it. I still have my PowerBook, iBook, and my Dad's PowerMac G4. Looks like we need a family pack :p
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If panther could run on that machine, you would be surprised how speedy it was. My g3 imac 500(7b85) is usualy more responsive than my g4 733(10.2.6)It's like i swapped out the innards. Its a shame about the usb thing. Imacs make great personal servers.

I suppose Jaguar isn't THAT much slower.

I guess we should be fair and try to figure out the lowest speed/function computer that can run XP:D
 
Beige G3/Panther

I'm confused by a couple of the above messages. Can Panther not run on a G3? Specifically, one of my machines is a Desktop G3, commonly referred to as the Beige G3.
 
Re: Beige G3/Panther

Originally posted by rohitp
I'm confused by a couple of the above messages. Can Panther not run on a G3? Specifically, one of my machines is a Desktop G3, commonly referred to as the Beige G3.
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Panther will run only on "New World" G3s, i.e. the ones that have USB built in. This includes all iMacs and blue & white towers, but not beige G3s.
 
Originally posted by gopher
Apple posted which machines it will run on here:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html

If you don't see your machine there, it won't run Panther.
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Hmm, slight problem with that... which I hope Apple fixed before sending the CD for duplication. The 7B85 leak from awhile back doesn't boot in a stable manner on Lombard machines... the Install CD kernel panics about 99% of the time with a 'cannot find driver for platform' error.
 
Moodminefield,

Not that this will help or anything, but everything in Panther is instant. You delete something, its gone, no beach balls. You want to move this windo and close that window, its done. Expose' is wicked cool. I showed it to my dad, ad die hard windows guy, and i swear I heard him giggle like a little kid in a candy store. All of that to say, you won't be disappointed.
Cheers!
 
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