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Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) 7B85 Seeded to Select Developers

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Originally posted by gopher
The Lombard is no guarantee to be supported by Panther. That image being there on their website leads me to believe it isn't supported.
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Hmm, no offense, but the image argument is beating a dead horse. 7B85 installed on my system without any installer trickery. 7B74 installed without any trickery. 7B53 installed without any trickery. The WWDC build installed without any trickery. Enough proof that Panther indeed works on the Lombard/Bronze Keyboard and is supported? (The image is very likely the best one to pick, or the easiest to grab from their archives from 3-4 years ago, and in no way reflects the technical decisions of Apple)

I am quite aware of the limitations of my purchase, and took them into account when making a decision. Please, do not assume you know how to make a better purchase decision than the person having to spend the money, time, and thought than someone who has to actually make it and live with it. Especially when it wasn't asked for.
 
it may work on beta builds but be shut off in the final release. I would stick to using what works, and not worry about purchasing the final release until you know it works from other people's reports with the final release, or Apple officially recognizes it without any doubt as supported.
 
Not quite true

Originally posted by JBracy
Actually this is something that Apple did. In order to burn the CD correctly you need to use 'Disc Copy" in 10.2 or "Disc Utility" in previous 10.3 builds. If you use Toast it will not boot or will appear corrupt.
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I used Toast to burn the ADC builds and it worked just fine. I dragged the first part of the split DMG on the Toast window and burned the CD. It was bootable and Panther installed just fine.

Ringo
 
Re: Not quite true

Originally posted by Ringo_Starr
I used Toast to burn the ADC builds and it worked just fine. I dragged the first part of the split DMG on the Toast window and burned the CD. It was bootable and Panther installed just fine.

Ringo
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That's odd. Every time I tried toast with a copy of OS X it wouldn't work :confused:
 
7B85's leaked disc image is different. It just doesn't burn the same way. Not only is what you burn it with matter, but what burner/media is used as well. I was having problems until I used a different burner.
 
Originally posted by gopher
it may work on beta builds but be shut off in the final release. I would stick to using what works, and not worry about purchasing the final release until you know it works from other people's reports with the final release, or Apple officially recognizes it without any doubt as supported.
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I have now lost all patience.

YOU, sir (or ma'am as the case may be), are the ONLY person introducing ANY doubt into the situation. What is it, are you paranoid? Conspiracy theorist? Pessimist? Troll?

Do you, a person with almost a thousand posts on these forums and who has achieved 6502 status, seriously and in all honesty think that Apple would drop support for a popular model and only indicate that indirectly with an obscure detail in a picture above a caption that indicates otherwise? And on a page with text that clearly contradicts your points? On a site with several other pages that also contradict them?

I am willing to bet you a large sum of money that a picture of a Pismo was chosen because it was easier for Apple's web lackeys to get to. The Lombard and Pismo are almost identical on the outside aside from (IIRC) the power connector and the presence of FireWire ports--neither of which are visible in the photo. (Yes, yes, there's a FireWire DV camera, so we know it's a Pismo, but I doubt ANYONE besides you noticed.) I submit that Apple simply wanted to illustrate the form factor of the supported PowerBooks.

Your argument is as ridiculous as suggesting that Panther won't support Strawberry iMacs because none are pictured.

No offense, but it doesn't seem constructive to me to introduce this kind of mindless FUD (and that's what it is, IMHO) into this thread.

WM
 
Originally posted by WM.
I have now lost all patience.

YOU, sir (or ma'am as the case may be), are the ONLY person introducing ANY doubt into the situation. What is it, are you paranoid? Conspiracy theorist? Pessimist? Troll?

Do you, a person with almost a thousand posts on these forums and who has achieved 6502 status, seriously and in all honesty think that Apple would drop support for a popular model and only indicate that indirectly with an obscure detail in a picture above a caption that indicates otherwise? And on a page with text that clearly contradicts your points? On a site with several other pages that also contradict them?

I am willing to bet you a large sum of money that a picture of a Pismo was chosen because it was easier for Apple's web lackeys to get to. The Lombard and Pismo are almost identical on the outside aside from (IIRC) the power connector and the presence of FireWire ports--neither of which are visible in the photo. (Yes, yes, there's a FireWire DV camera, so we know it's a Pismo, but I doubt ANYONE besides you noticed.) I submit that Apple simply wanted to illustrate the form factor of the supported PowerBooks.

Your argument is as ridiculous as suggesting that Panther won't support Strawberry iMacs because none are pictured.

No offense, but it doesn't seem constructive to me to introduce this kind of mindless FUD (and that's what it is, IMHO) into this thread.

WM
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This is not FUD, but reasonable doubt cast by the fact that Apple presents that image there. Until it is fixed, I can't say that I believe it will be compatible. Until Apple shows that it does work on the Lombard, I'm not recommending it to Lombard users.
 
Okay, this is ridiculous. I sent a PM to you gopher in an attempt to get you to drop this off this thread because it was getting off-topic and heated.

Here is a simple reason why Apple either supports the Lombard or is facing a lawsuit... they stated the requirements as:

PowerPC G3/G4/G5 processor
Built-in USB
128MB RAM

The Lombard meets these requirements, and that is all that matters. In a legal context, if they don't state it in text, then it isn't a requirement. Images in marketting are notorious for being misleading, and thus very weak defenses in court. I don't think Apple is stupid enough to let something like this slip by, since it would be a fairly nasty lawsuit they couldn't win.

Now please... let us get back on topic. :)

- Happily Typing on Panther 7B85 on a Lombard.
 
How about everyone take a deep, three day breath, and come back here on Friday night to settle your differences, this thread is going nowhere and is turning into a tiresome flaming match.
I keep coming back in the hope that there is some interesting new bit of info. Just agree to disagree, kiss and make up, and start to get excited that panther is a only a few days away...
 
Originally posted by gopher
This is not FUD, but reasonable doubt cast by the fact that Apple presents that image there. Until it is fixed, I can't say that I believe it will be compatible. Until Apple shows that it does work on the Lombard, I'm not recommending it to Lombard users.
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I give up..... Some people just refuse to listen to reason. Here we go one more time:

THE PICTURE IS IRRELEVANT!!! READ THE TEXT. THE TEXT SAYS THAT THE LOMBARD IS SUPPORTED, SO THERE YOU HAVE IT STRAIGHT FROM APPLE!!!
 
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