Mac OS X 10.4.3 8F28 Seeded

[andrewm]

In response to an earlier post, Mail.app *is* broken in one small area that relates to the interface but still involves (from what I can ascertain) the actual coding: the Junk/Not Junk item of the toolbar fails to update properly in some situations.

I haven't had too many issues besides that and iChat's colours--and maybe Safari's windows (if you click Safari in the dock and have multiple windows with multiple tabs open, will the previously-front window remain in front? technically, yes; visually, not always).

So far I've seen only mainly interface glitches and some .Mac synching stuff--and perhaps some BSD subsystem issues (with the LaunchDaemons, for instance). If Server version has real issues, that's one thing; but are we talking mainly GUI glitches in Client?

 

[jaw04005]

I haven't had any major problems with 10.4.2 except sync issues with .Mac (those were primarily due to Apple's servers) and of course the occasionally Safari crash. It's installed on my iMac G4, PowerBook G4, and PowerMac G3 B/W.

I guess for some 10.4.2 is unstable?

 

[eva01]

i have not had any crashes since installing 10.4 the day it came out, a few programs have crashed like once or twice but never the system.

 

[50548]

I also can't understand so much whining...I've never had any serious issue with Tiger ever since 10.4.0...Mail and everything else work in a flawless manner, apart from few sporadic glitches that appeared here and there on one time or another...

 

[ohcrap]

I also can't understand so much whining...

Me either. Yeah, OS X has it's problems. All software does if you really look closely. I just think it's funny that so many of us here whine about the few problems we do have more than Windows users seem to whine about the many problems they have. Could it be that Windows users are more accustomed to solving (or learning to solve) their own software issues and Mac users are simply used to bitching and complaining until someone fixes it for them?

If you take the above personally, you obviously don't understand where I'm coming from. I'm not insulting anyone here, and I am aware that some problems are beyond the point where they could be fixed by the average Mac user, but come on people. The fact that not all Tiger users experience these so-called "problems" says, to me anyways, that maybe it's not the OS that needs fixing...

That said, everything I use on my system (and I use most everything) works wonderfully. Thanks, Apple, for such an intuitive OS.

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Me too man.. I've had so many problems with Tiger. I actually recently just wiped both my Macs and started from scratch, no migration, no backups reinstalls, etc. and that's helped, but it takes about a week to get everything in a good palce. It has added much needed speed and stability, but it's too much to ask of a regular joe to do.

lets hope it fixes all my crashes

 

[MacsRgr8]

This question has been asked before:

Have those people with big issues running Tiger done an upgrade from Panther, or an "erase 'n install"?

I too have hardly any issues at all running Tiger (not more than I had with Panther). Also at work we have very few problems.

Still, always looking forward to updates. And I also expect that having no issues also has to do with luck. Different software, different peripherals etc.

 

[shamino]

Was there any questions like this when 10.3 came out, I recall some bad press around 10.3.0. Did anybody think that Panther was rushed out?

10.3 had one super-critical bug - at shutdown, it would completely trash FireWire hard drives using a particular chipset and firmware revision.

This was fixed soon afterwards, first by firmware updates for the drives, and later by 10.3.1.

Yes, there were some who said Panther was rushed. IMO, a bug like this should've been detected during the product's beta phase, and Apple should've delayed the release until it got fixed.

And, of course, there are some individuals who insist that Apple has yet to ship a single non-beta system, claiming that every release and patch has too many bugs to make it a release-quality product. But most people don't listen to them.

As for my opinion about 10.4, I still have not upgraded (I'm running 10.3.9). Even before anybody got a copy, I was expecting problems, simply because it is a ".0" release, and .0 releases have always had problems. My initial plan was to wait for 10.4.2 or August (whichever comes first) before upgrading, so that the most critical bugs would be found by others and fixed by Apple first. After reading about all the problems people were having, I ammended this to 10.4.3 and October, whichever comes last. If 10.4.3 seems stable enough, then I'll go and buy my copy.

 

[shamino]

I've been having noticeable Finder problems lately, mostly related to iDisk and SD cards. Ejecting them will sometimes cause the Finder to freeze -- the SD card issue being the worst, as the Finder never recovers -- and the refresh rate is appallingly slow. During iDisk usage, occasionally new desktop files won't appear until I've cycled through a number of Finder windows.

The Finder does tend to lock up when accessing a device, if that device hangs.

In the case of your iDisk, it may be network congestion or a slow server. DNS (name-lookup) operations are notorious for this sort of thing. Eventually, the hung network request will time-out and generate an error, unblocking Finder, but this could take several minutes.

In the case of your SD card, what kind of reader do you have, and how is it attached? I ask because I experienced similar flaky behavior with a USB 2.0 flash-drive. The culprit ended up being a cheap no-name USB 2.0 interface card (StarTech brand, using an ALI chip) that didn't conform 100% to the USB specification. When I replaced the card with a different one (Belkin brand, using an NEC chip), all my problems went away.

If your reader or USB interface (assuming it's not one built-in to your motherboard) is not 100% compliant to the USB spec, it could cause the problems. Ditto if your SD card is defective. (I've had lots of problems with PNY brand memory cards.)

 

[PCM]

Mail isn't broke. Maybe the interface isn't exactly up to everyone's par, but outside that, I've used Mail since Mac OS X was released without any issues. If you are having issues, please post to http://discussions.info.apple.com/ where people can help you isolate them.

uh, actually it is broken for many poeple and even the apple tech admitted that. Mail has SMTP and IMAP issues (including re-entering passwords when already entered), and worst of all it loses batches of entire emails (it doesn't delete them from the HD but they do not show up in the Msil browser window). I have posted in these forums as well as others for a solution, but the ONLY solution people have been able to give so far is wait for 10.4.3 (I've already tried everything else short of ANOTHER clean install which I've already had to do once with this new computer). Tiger is buggy, and Mail for Tiger is as well. (p.s. I've been a loyal Mail user ever since its inception).

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@900.nmBfa7SoUmx.0@.68b9e620

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@338.nm9na8hqUQN.5@.68b8536a

 

[w_parietti22]

My motto: Never install .0 or buy Rev A of anything.

you mean that I shouldn't have bought my nano???

 

[gopher]

uh, actually it is broken for many poeple and even the apple tech admitted that. Mail has SMTP and IMAP issues (including re-entering passwords when already entered), and worst of all it loses batches of entire emails (it doesn't delete them from the HD but they do not show up in the Msil browser window). I have posted in these forums as well as others for a solution, but the ONLY solution people have been able to give so far is wait for 10.4.3 (I've already tried everything else short of ANOTHER clean install which I've already had to do once with this new computer). Tiger is buggy, and Mail for Tiger is as well. (p.s. I've been a loyal Mail user ever since its inception).

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@900.nmBfa7SoUmx.0@.68b9e620

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@338.nm9na8hqUQN.5@. 68b8536a

I use IMAP, SMTP, POP3 and never had an issue. So it is only broke for some who use non-standard servers. What's a clean install?

http://www.macmaps.com/cleaninstall.html

Explains there is no such thing as a Mac OS X clean install.

 

[varmit]

10.3 had one super-critical bug - at shutdown, it would completely trash FireWire hard drives using a particular chipset and firmware revision.

This was fixed soon afterwards, first by firmware updates for the drives, and later by 10.3.1.

Yes, there were some who said Panther was rushed. IMO, a bug like this should've been detected during the product's beta phase, and Apple should've delayed the release until it got fixed.

The reason why that was a bug in 10.3 is because the external harddrives had older firmware running on them, and there was already an upgrade out for those drive too I believe. If the people upgarded their external drives firmware before putting 10.3 on their Macs they would have been fine. So Apple can not test every firmware version for every external harddrive case out there to make sure they are compatable. They only need to test the latest firmware that it out for every particular external drive, and I think they did.

As for myself and 10.4, I had to wait to upgrade since the Cisco VPN Client wasn't ready yet for Tiger. I also haven't upgraded my parents iMac G5 due to the fact that school has started again and my mother is a teacher, and doesn't need any chance of downtime. I have Tiger on my PB, fresh clean install, and it runs very smooth, and Tiger server on my PowerMac, which runs just fine. The only problems I have is with my iDisk. It seems to want to sync on some wireless connections, but not others. Even if I can get more bandwidth from the one that it doesn't want to sync with it just doesn't give me the ability to click on it to start the sync, its an odd thing.

 

[swissmann]

Tiger was great for me for a long time. I had an Excel file cause a kernal panic on printing. Everything got messed up. So I did an archive and install and things are still messed up. (Erased and installed when migrated from 10.3). I am pretty sure that an erase and install will clean everything up but that takes a lot of hours and then a lot of time to get things back in place. I'm hoping 10.4.3 will clean that up. By the way I am having to hard boot about 5 times a day on my PowerMac G5. Both my PowerMac G4's still seem fine and always have been through Tiger.

 

[Lacero]

you mean that I shouldn't have bought my nano???

I bought Rev.A of the first G4 ever made. Was the best purchase I ever made.

 

[eji]

10.2.9 ? I don't remember this update ever coming out? I think Jaguar stopped at 10.2.8
Perhaps you mean 10.3.9 Panther.

I believe that any .0 release of software is going to have some bugs and quirks. The same situation is going to be with Longhorn. Microsoft is going to release an update to it, which will also bring new features like WinFS, with which, I am pretty sure, they are going to fix some bugs.

10.1 , 10.2 , 10.3 and 10.4 could as well be betas at different stages of development. This is the way Apple works and it is the only way they can deliver anything with the number engineers they have.

You might be right, though for some reason I seem to recall a 10.2.9 release. The number sticks in my head because it came out after those disastrous 10.2.8 upgrades that caused a ton of problems. Or maybe I'm thinking of 10.2.8v2?

In any case, I meant the last Jaguar update before Panther. iTunes started causing system freezes for me in 10.3.0 and did so for a number of revisions.

 

[eji]

The Finder does tend to lock up when accessing a device, if that device hangs. [SNIP]

The specs of my USB card reader are:

Winter Ver1.3:

- Version: 0.05
- Bus Power (mA): 500
- Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
- Manufacturer: Ltd
- Product ID: 0x0340
- Serial Number: 589106102274
- Vendor ID: 0x07cc

It's a HAMA, which has been a fairly good budget brand for me in the past. The SD card is a Lexar and I use it with no problems in my Zaurus PDA. The Energy Saver settings might have something to do with the Finder lockups on ejecting the SD; I've never really paid attention to them. I've never been able to establish any sort of common causes to the occasional SD card eject/Finder lockups.

The iDisk is more of a refresh issue. Yesterday I happened to have it mounted while I saved a file I had just scanned (later several Word docs) to the desktop. I looked; no TIFF. Where'd it go? Did I save it somewhere else by mistake? Open a new Finder window and show desktop. Not there. Open my home folder and then switch to desktop. Not there. Open my Mac HD and then go to desktop. Ah, there it is. But still no icon on the desktop. Very odd.

Folks who use iDisk syncing have reported similar issues whereby, for example, some files saved in iDisk will appear on their PowerBook and not on their iBook, and vice versa.

 

[maya]

The past is the past. What matters is that 10.4 was released with the major features that were promised on time and working.

There are always going to be bugs with any software, that is a given. Some people have had major issues and some minor, while others have not had a single one. It all depends on the users level of experience and use of the OS.

What it boils down to, is that Yes, Steve J promised something and it has been delivered. He never mentioned something that would be 100% stable and working perfectly on all configurations alone with 3rd party SW. No one can make that claim.

We shall see what Vista has to offer, with all the hardware it requires is crazy as it stands at present.

And remember that OS X runs on both PPC and x86, something we cannot say about Vista.

 

[BWhaler]

Was there any questions like this when 10.3 came out, I recall some bad press around 10.3.0. Did anybody think that Panther was rushed out?

I personally had no problems with 10.4.0 but have noticed a marked increase in stability with 10.4.2.

10.3.0 had one specific issue--albeit serious--with drives with old firmware.

No one is saying any OS is bug free. Even after decades of bug fixing.

But Tiger was obviously rushed. No way to delete Widgets? Thousands of memory leaks in the webkit? Widgets leaking memory and grinding systems to a hault? Syncing not working.

No, Tiger was rushed out the door. As others have pointed out in this and other threads, the beta testers simply could not believe the news Apple had reached GM at the time.

It's OK to be an Apple loyalist but to give Apple a hard time when they deserve it. It keeps Apple honest and ensures they deliver the very best for the money we give them.

 

[samh004]

or running Virex which isn't Tiger compatible.

Virex 7.7 is now tiger compatible and is working fine for me

but that's OT...

One of the problems I am having with Mail.app is that it doesn't seem to want to send to hotmail addresses in the To: field, however if you put them in the Cc: field or reply to a hotmail address, it works fine... I hope this issue is fixed in 10.4.3... that's really my only gripe.

 

[sandman42]

iChat Agent -- Not Responding

I hope they fix the chronic crashing of iChat Agent. That's a problem I've been having on both of my computers since 10.4.0, and it really slows them down when it happens.

 

[wdlove]

i have not had any crashes since installing 10.4 the day it came out, a few programs have crashed like once or twice but never the system.

My wife is very happy with Tiger on her PB. It fixed a lot of the problems that she had with Panther.

 

[valkraider]

Couple bugs need fixing

My wife is very happy with Tiger on her PB. It fixed a lot of the problems that she had with Panther.

Tiger has been pretty good to me.

I have had a kernal panic - caused by MS Office.

And I am annoyed by the mount_smbfs bug which means I can't mount shares at my office, and the Mail.app bug which causes mail to lose whole folders until you do a "rebuild mailbox" (and No, I do not use an non-standard email servers, simply Pop and SMTP).

Both are widespread, and well known bugs, hopefully fixed with 10.4.3

 

[Stridder44]

Yeah I dont know what these system crashes are you guys speak of...

but one thing I think I've noticed is my Mac's gotten slower! =(
(17inch iMac 800mhz, 512RAM- yes I know, I need to beef that up)

 

[SiliconAddict]

Me either. Yeah, OS X has it's problems. All software does if you really look closely........

System crashes are unacceptable. App crashes. Fine. As long as they are limited but the OS should almost NEVER crash. I'm sorry but at least MS has somewhat of an excuse considering how much hardware they have to support.

Apple rolls their own hardware and OS. There is zero excuse for a kernal panic IMHO. No application should be able to get that close to the OS to cause a system to tank and if it isn't the software then its the OS itself and well...No excuses. Flame me all you want but I call it like I read it.

I really think its time that Apple starts seriously considering a public beta program where they give out time expired copies of their next OS to general users. Let the developer copies out way early but 6 months before an OS is released blow, say 12,000 copies out to the average user. OK prob no so average user since who in their right mind runs beta software other then geeks. *shrugs* Its a thought.