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Hmmm, kind of recall the original Mac had a way of storing verbose meta-data back in 1984, in fact the data was portable as well. What did they call it? Oops got to go, I dropped my fork, it's a great resource for eating.
new filesystem
I believe that in order for the Finder to do meta data that Apple would have to significantly update HFS or make a whole new filesystem. I personally would love meta data. Also, Longhorn is supposed to have a similar database filesystem when it debuts in the next millenia. BeOS had metadata in its BeFS.
anyway, folks who are already going to bitch and moan about having to pay for 10.4 (which you will) meta data alone is reason to buy it. I'd be happy if 10.4 had maybe 1 gui change and meta data and nothing else.
meta data really is the shizzle folks.
I believe that in order for the Finder to do meta data that Apple would have to significantly update HFS or make a whole new filesystem. I personally would love meta data. Also, Longhorn is supposed to have a similar database filesystem when it debuts in the next millenia. BeOS had metadata in its BeFS.
anyway, folks who are already going to bitch and moan about having to pay for 10.4 (which you will) meta data alone is reason to buy it. I'd be happy if 10.4 had maybe 1 gui change and meta data and nothing else.
meta data really is the shizzle folks.
Oh my, what a great Resource Forks can be. "Metadata" does SOUND cooler though, or at least when I say it I feel smart
Haha, this would be absolutely great (assuming they will also add smart folders in the finder), but they should really integrate it.
Meaning, the ID3 tags in an MP3, should be shown as metadata in the finder, so I can search based on metadata in the finder. The same should go for my e-mails; Every e-mail is a file, with metadata (sender, subject,..). Addressbook, Safari bookmarks, iPhoto, .. If they can all use a more standarised way to store the metadata (and (smart) folder hierachy), this would make it allot easier for the user and developer.
Meaning, the ID3 tags in an MP3, should be shown as metadata in the finder, so I can search based on metadata in the finder. The same should go for my e-mails; Every e-mail is a file, with metadata (sender, subject,..). Addressbook, Safari bookmarks, iPhoto, .. If they can all use a more standarised way to store the metadata (and (smart) folder hierachy), this would make it allot easier for the user and developer.
Having a BeFS-like filesystem would be great!. I used BeOS from the release of 4.5 until well after the Be, Inc. died. The metadata in the filesystem combined with query & live query support allowed for things that just aren't possible on other OS's without special application code to index files and store the information in an application specific database (i.e. iTunes and it's database). I believe this is the one feature that (if properly implemented) could make me excited - no overjoyed to upgrade my OS.
This is precisely what you got with Be and the BeFS. Hence, former and even current Be users excitement about the same possibility with OS X.
You can already do this in 10.3 with the help of a few share/freeware apps. Check the Macnn.com forums on GUI stuff for more info. There are actually a ton of nice themes for 10.3 now.
Plus, I don't think Jobs likes theming. It was possible in OS 9 and perhaps some previous versions (I switched after their time), but Jobs wasn't responsible for those operating systems.
Database driven Finder is not surprising. With the prior implementation of DBKit and then later EOF and the Soups development within Mecca Openstep 5.0 pre-release 1 that was never implemented its about time that Engineering polished the ideas and release it.
Re: Hope not ...
There's a difference between a Tiger as in a big cat and a Tigger as in a stupid little cat that bounces on his tail. Notice for one the spelling difference.
From my recollection the code name for 10.4 is Lynx.
There's a difference between a Tiger as in a big cat and a Tigger as in a stupid little cat that bounces on his tail. Notice for one the spelling difference.
From my recollection the code name for 10.4 is Lynx.
I don't remember exactly which version was Merlot but it wasn't 10.4 not that I can remember.
It might have been Jaguar. The ended up changing the name to a cat name and have ditched the wine based names all together in preference of the more powerful less turned up nose Cat names.
Ooooh Matron
OS Cougar?
Wouldn't it be great microsoft shows off this new 3D interface which looks more or less like Quartz in Panther, then Apple announces Quartz Extreme 3D where the desktop ripples like real water and folders appear as small piles that float on the surface of leaves and light reflects off the water in realtime blowing anything away in its path (including Looking Glass). 1 Can only hope.
OS Cougar?
Wouldn't it be great microsoft shows off this new 3D interface which looks more or less like Quartz in Panther, then Apple announces Quartz Extreme 3D where the desktop ripples like real water and folders appear as small piles that float on the surface of leaves and light reflects off the water in realtime blowing anything away in its path (including Looking Glass). 1 Can only hope.
Yup, I keep Classic themed with an Aqua theme to avoid too much of a disjointed feeling when I'm using classic apps. There have even been a couple of times I've actually forgotten that an app was in Classic...
I like keeping things consistent. I also like themes...
eh, i don't trust 3rd party themers. every one ive used has mess things up for me.
id rather have them intergrated into the system by apple.
I don't use them either, as there are inevitably jarring inconsistencies, but I have registered Shapeshifter. I believe it will someday to grow up to be a very solid kickass themer. It's also a lot more stable/safe.
If you can get yourself a copy of Mecca or ask to visit the Engineering Facilities at Apple you will see Mecca still running. Last time I worked there it was next to the Dual PPC prototype NeXT Brick that had dual fiber optic connectors on the side and a host of other goodies. The Brick had the chip that was the precursor to the PPC 601.
Now Soups was supposed to allow one to work in a Distributed Objects (PDO) environment where one could lock down sections of code, documentation, etc and jointly work on it without overwriting others changes (last one that writes scenario).
Also, DBKit had some issues that well were resolved but during a fallout between the engineer working on DBKit 2 and Engineering he left to work on other projects (This is at NeXT before 1996). Ironically, part of the code got lost due to it resided in his /home account and the Sys Admin wiped the account without checking the sources. Needless to say all source was no longer allowed to hang around in your user account--limited to 50MB, by default.
Since DBKit was all ObjC based and the new Finder is ObjC/Cocoa I wouldn't be surprised if they finally take some of the design ideas and have finally implemented it within the OS. Soups I hope they implement. I'm sure someone more qualified who had worked on it could give a much more indepth description.
Let's just say Soups is a much better solution that CVS and allows people to interact more than dealing with just locking down source from checkout/checkin.
What is really scary, is that Microsoft (according to all the articles on delays) is actually designing a new system. Something we have never seen yet. New means completely redesigned, with lots of new features. And they take their time to polish those features. I'd expect the next release of Mac OS X (10.5? Maybe even 11?) to ship approximately at the same time as Longhorn. 2005-6-7. Mac users must have a reason not to abandon their platform. So far it has been a supremacy of the OS and (rare cases) supremacy of high-end systems. Next?
And one more thing. Microsoft didn't stop to develop XP (removing bugs, then there was this Media Center Edition and more stuff will follow). So for them Longhorn is practically like OS X was for Mac users.
Re: 10.4 this year? Look at the pattern
What are you talking about? That's exactly the opposite of the truth! Every new version of MacOSX is a new, full version. That's why people complain about the price. "I already paid $129 for 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, why don't I get a discount because I own a previous version?" See, that's what the whole idea of an upgrade is, credit for a previous version you own, sometimes requiring you install on top of the previous version.
But I can go buy a copy of Panther, without showing any proof of previous ownership of the MacOS, and install it on a completely blank hard drive on a Mac. Exactly what definition of "upgrade" does this meet?
The reason Apple has never sold Macs without the MacOS is part of the proprietary hardware/software deal. They were all designed to run the MacOS by the manufacturer, so it is included. Whereas, PC's are made by everyone but Microsoft, so selling the machine OS-less is just a matter of getting all the parts together, there's no vested interest in it running any one operating system out of box for the PC maker. They use Windows because that is what's in demand by most consumers and their OEM builder licensing terms with MS are requiring fee payments whether the machine has Windows or not. The fact the machine is capable of running Windows is what's matters.
What are you talking about? That's exactly the opposite of the truth! Every new version of MacOSX is a new, full version. That's why people complain about the price. "I already paid $129 for 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, why don't I get a discount because I own a previous version?" See, that's what the whole idea of an upgrade is, credit for a previous version you own, sometimes requiring you install on top of the previous version.
But I can go buy a copy of Panther, without showing any proof of previous ownership of the MacOS, and install it on a completely blank hard drive on a Mac. Exactly what definition of "upgrade" does this meet?
The reason Apple has never sold Macs without the MacOS is part of the proprietary hardware/software deal. They were all designed to run the MacOS by the manufacturer, so it is included. Whereas, PC's are made by everyone but Microsoft, so selling the machine OS-less is just a matter of getting all the parts together, there's no vested interest in it running any one operating system out of box for the PC maker. They use Windows because that is what's in demand by most consumers and their OEM builder licensing terms with MS are requiring fee payments whether the machine has Windows or not. The fact the machine is capable of running Windows is what's matters.