Mac OS X 10.4 Info?

[scottstover]

. . . OS X for ten years.

That's highly unlikely, given that there are still G4 processors in Apple's lineup. Come to think of it, there are still G3 users out there too if you count buyers of the G3 iBooks. As long as less than 80-95% of Mac users have a pre-G5 Mac (according to Apple's estimates), this won't happen. Remember that it'll probably be at least a year before iBooks get G5 processors; even then, Apple can't expect all iBook owners to get a G5 iBook. I would think the switchover to total 64-bit won't happen until Mac OS XI (11) is released (my best guess is in 2008).

Not 2008, but probably 2011 is when OS 11 will come out. Steve Jobs stated that OS X will be the next major OS for ten years to come (said this when 10.0 was released in 2000).

 

[ingenious]

wow

Not 2008, but probably 2011 is when OS 11 will come out. Steve Jobs stated that OS X will be the next major OS for ten years to come (said this when 10.0 was released in 2000).

i knew he said that, but that seems like a long time away.... WOW i'll be 21.....

 

[GregA]

Not 2008, but probably 2011 is when OS 11 will come out. Steve Jobs stated that OS X will be the next major OS for ten years to come (said this when 10.0 was released in 2000).

Yeah... but you have to be careful about version numbers vs actual operating systems. The MacOS had one general technology for 17 years, now it has a new one. The new one will last at least 10 years. It doesn't mean they won't release something called MacOSX 11, 12 or whatever though, in my opinion...

 

[wrldwzrd89]

Not 2008, but probably 2011 is when OS 11 will come out. Steve Jobs stated that OS X will be the next major OS for ten years to come (said this when 10.0 was released in 2000).

That may be the case, but my point still holds; we won't be seeing Mac OS 11 or 64-bit only Mac OS for quite a while, even if it's later than I thought it would be.

 

[wdlove]

i knew he said that, but that seems like a long time away.... WOW i'll be 21.....

I would certainly not like having to wait till I'm 65 plus to see a fully 64 bit OS. We need it for the G5 ASAP.

 

[Doraemon]

Yeah... but you have to be careful about version numbers vs actual operating systems. The MacOS had one general technology for 17 years, now it has a new one. The new one will last at least 10 years. It doesn't mean they won't release something called MacOSX 11, 12 or whatever though, in my opinion...

But Apple did not stay with the classic MacOS because they loved it so much, but because all attempts to create a next-gen MacOS failed (Pink, Copland, etc.). Therefore, one can assume that they learned from their mistakes in past.

 

[trek7k]

It's Lynx not Linx so it's not that similar to Linux afterall.

It is pretty similar (in fact identical) in name to the text-based web browser Lynx. Obviously the Lynx browser has fallen by the wayside what with the introduction of these fancy "graphical browsers" but people still use it (based on an informal perusal of my website's logs).

 

[hulugu]

i dont know much about 32bit/64bit, but wouldn't they have to have two emulators then? classic and 32bit OS X? I'm confused


I cannot wait until 10.4, altho we just got 10.3.3...... i want iSync to actually sync a PDA, even tho im not getting one now, and iChat to have compat with MSN and Y!

I'd assume they would finally abandon OS9 and Classic entirely at that point. Two versions of the operating system could be a pain in the ass, but less so if the entire line goes to the G5, in which case it's only legacy systems, plus a push to moving newer machines. Obviously for the first year or two provide 32-bit versions for those legacy machines, but eventually they will need to go 64-bit.
Hopefully this can happen sooner than later, Intel appears stuck at 3.4 and a 3.0 Dual G5, a 2.0 G5 PB, would alliviate at least one of the major hurdles regarding switchers.

 

[GregA]

But Apple did not stay with the classic MacOS because they loved it so much, but because all attempts to create a next-gen MacOS failed (Pink, Copland, etc.). Therefore, one can assume that they learned from their mistakes in past.

I'm not sure what you're implying... that Apple would get rid of their Mach/BSD underpinnings very soon? I thought the 10 year mark was a good spot to look at a replacement.

64bit is a separate issue. There are many OSes that have 64bit and 32bit versions. Mach has both, so does BSD. Cocoa (as Openstep) used to run on Solaris so I assume it's clean too. Maybe they'll call it OSX 11, maybe not... what they number it is one issue, what technology is underneath is a separate one.

 

[Sayer]

Actually

Actually Apple hired the BeFS engineer. BeOS is a dead product while Mac OS X is currently growing both in features and adoption. Would you rather they ignore what was done elsewhere and never caught fire in the marketplace?

As for HFS+ Mac OS X does make use of its features, but in different ways than before. HFS+ supports permissions on OS X that OS 9 doesn't do anything with, yet is present. File type/creator codes are supported, but despite what Apple claims file name extensions override type/creator many times and Cocoa-based software typically wipes out type/creator when you edit a file.

Apple: not all files with .html must belong to Safari, okay?

OS X forgoes multi-forked files for all-flat files, even for resources. HFS+ actually supports multiple forks for files, not just two data/resource forks. Why Apple never exploited this for additional Mac-only metadata storage is beyond me. Maybe they will now, who knows.

Mac OS X 10.3 includes an extension to HFS+ with case-sensitive file name handling in addition to the case-preserving behaviors of Mac OS 9 and lower. You can't format a drive with this new format in Disk Utility, but you can on the command line. I think they called it HFSX or something like that.

Apple also added journaling on top of HFS+ (sort of). Apple isn't standing still in disk formats by any means.

 

[GFLPraxis]

Doesn't HFS+ already have extensive database/mettadata support ? Its just that Apple hasn't been using it...at all.

What are they going to call it?
Leopard?
Cougar?
Wildcat?
Lion?
Housecat?

 

[reckless_0001]

What are they going to call it?
Leopard?
Cougar?
Wildcat?
Lion?
Housecat?

LOL! Housecat...

How about "Tigger" from Winnie the Pooh.

 

[sjk]

HFSX

Mac OS X 10.3 includes an extension to HFS+ with case-sensitive file name handling in addition to the case-preserving behaviors of Mac OS 9 and lower. You can't format a drive with this new format in Disk Utility, but you can on the command line. I think they called it HFSX or something like that.

HFSX is described in the HFS Plus Volume Format technote.

 

[nesbitt_a]

LOL! Housecat...

How about "Tigger" from Winnie the Pooh.

Haha, why not? Ta-ta for now!

-- Andrew.

 

[wdlove]

What are they going to call it?
Leopard?
Cougar?
Wildcat?
Lion?
Housecat?

You are missing the one that I'm looking forward to, which is Tiger!

 

[iRobert]

Jup, i read it on de developer site just yet (might have been on there longer though ) That it's going to be 'Tiger'

Anyone has specs?

 

[wdlove]

Steve Jobs to Kick Off Apple’s Worldwide Developers Conference 2004 with Preview of Mac OS X "Tiger"

CUPERTINO, California— May 4, 2004— Apple® today announced that Steve Jobs will kick off its Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) with a keynote on Monday, June 28, 2004, beginning at 10:00 a.m. at San Francisco’s Moscone West. This year's keynote will include a preview of “Tiger,” the next major release of Mac® OS X.

The five-day event, which runs from June 28 to July 2, will host close to 200 technical sessions with new content designed to serve a wide range of Mac developers, including an in-depth look at the latest Mac OS X technologies, hands-on labs with the latest Mac systems, expanded tracks on Enterprise IT and a dedicated track for QuickTime® developers and content creators.

This is great news, as mentioned in my post above.

 

[raynegus]

Maybe they will bring back some form of the Apple menu. That would be cool!

 

[ffakr]

The old Apple menu doesn't fit in with Apple's new design philosophy

Maybe they will bring back some form of the Apple menu. That would be cool!

I doubt that they'd bring back the functionality that'd you're probably thinking of.
The new Apple Menu, and the other menus actually make a lot more sense. If you think about the Classic Mac OS.. it was typically used like this:
Apple menu:
system stuff: control panels, chooser, about this mac, system profiler
finder stuff: shortcuts, aliases, favorites...
application stuff: about this application
Special Menu:
system stuff: shutdown and such...
File Menu:
general options of the active app like quit

Now in OS X...
Apple Menu:
System stuff: about this mac, sys prefs, dock, shutdown and such
finder stuff: recent items
New App Menu (the one next to Apple Menu): all things related to the particular app including about and quit.
Dock: shortcuts, aliases...

I'm not sure well I've made my point.. but if you look closely at the menus in OS X, they actually make more sense than in Classic. Apple has chosen to group similar functionality into more descrete areas.. Apple menu is lower level system stuff, the new app-name menu has low level application functionality, the dock takes up some of the functionality that was previously smushed into the Apple menu.
I think an easy test would be to look at a particular menu in OS X and in Classic and try to describe the potential functionality of each menu. In classic, you'll find that it's more difficult to describe the functionality of classic menus because their tasks overlapped more.. and you'll find that you are repeating functionality quite a bit more.

I'm pretty happy with the way the menus are arranged now. I think it makes a lot more sense, and it particularly makes a lot more sense to new users.

 

[justin216]

I'd like to see options to disable some of the nice goodies in OSX. I like the simplicity, but for lots of number crunching I really don't have to have my windows animate around and bounce things in a dock. I'd just like more control over the visual part of 10.4.

 

[sjk]

Seems people who've used pre-X Mac OS (not me) miss its Apple menu more than people who've only used X (me) want it. What really makes it so special that some people can't seem to live without it or find alternatives (maybe even superior ones) for it? I can understand why WindowShade functionality might be missed since (AFAIK) there's no non-haxie replacement for it. And spring-loaded folders, before those returned. But, seriously, what's such a big deal with the old Apple menu? Whenever I tried using it while helping fix a friend's iMac a few years ago it looked like a bloated clutter magnet.

 

[Kiko]

Big Felines Naming

Hope it's not called OS 10.5, that would be illogical. I'm sure it will be referred to mainly by a big cat name - which of the remaining felines has the most radical nature?

On the subject of Apple using (mostly endangered) big cat names, I've set up an online petition for Apple to help make sure we don't run out of cool animal names out there:

http://www.petitiononline.com/grangato/

Please sign it and spread the word!

Cheers

Kiko

 

[MacBandit]

On the subject of Apple using (mostly endangered) big cat names, I've set up an online petition for Apple to help make sure we don't run out of cool animal names out there:

http://www.petitiononline.com/grangato/

Please sign it and spread the word!

Cheers

Kiko

I do like your cause but I think it's improper for someone to tell someone else the proper way to spend there money. Why don't you set up your own Paypal or some other method of collection site for donation from Mac people who want to save big cats?

Also the Panther/Puma/Cougar is not endangered as they are still legal for hunting. Same goes for Leopard and many other big cats.

 

[iRobert]

Seems people who've used pre-X Mac OS (not me) miss its Apple menu more than people who've only used X (me) want it. What really makes it so special that some people can't seem to live without it or find alternatives (maybe even superior ones) for it? I can understand why WindowShade functionality might be missed since (AFAIK) there's no non-haxie replacement for it. And spring-loaded folders, before those returned. But, seriously, what's such a big deal with the old Apple menu? Whenever I tried using it while helping fix a friend's iMac a few years ago it looked like a bloated clutter magnet.

Well, you could say i'm a classic veteran (using it since 6.0.8 or something). At first, i was absolutely against X. but the first time i tried it, i was in love As for the AppleMenu, it did have it's charm. Being able to put anyhing in it you like. I don't need it these days.
I'm still uncertain about windowshading, sometimes it feels like i could use it, but then again, i don't miss it for most of the time, same goes for window-tabs
But for me, it's not a big deal, for i use Mac OS X

 

[redAPPLE]

Hope it's not called OS 10.5, that would be illogical. I'm sure it will be referred to mainly by a big cat name - which of the remaining felines has the most radical nature?

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