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leenoble said:
I didn't think the Sun demo went nearly far enough. Things may have changed in more recent builds but from the demo I saw I remember a desertscape rocky background picture right?
And the windows would fold sideways to reveal the desktop and the title of windows was written down the side of the window. The "minimised" windows were MASSIVE. I really couldn't see the point.
However, coming back to that desktop. What would be really cool is if you could place icons and windows in the distance, behind that rocky outcrop just to the left of the cactus. Because we remember things spatially, even if the icon was infinitessimally small it wouldn't matter because we would be more likely to remember where we put it. We could keep things strewn about our 3d landscape desktops and still know where things were. Much more could be stored this way.
Think about it like this. Imagine you're looking for your cheesegrater. In front of you you have a dozen shelves each with a dozen objects on of roughly equal size. There's your cheesegrater, a shoe, a telephone, a cuddly toy etc etc.
Picking out your chessegrater isn't too difficult when you only have a few items to choose from but the more items you have the harder your task becomes as you have to scan all the roughly equally sized objects.
Now forget the grid like shelf structure.
Where's your cheesegrater?
Second cupboard on the right in the kitchen, bottom shelf behind the plates.
Easy!
I think Sun dropped the ball with that one and someone needs to pick it up and place it in the foreground.


Yeah, i agree!! I was by no means saying that it was a totally thought through, but it still presented an interesting concept in terms of what it could be.

Its an entire new direction for GUIs, just by taking a slightly different point of view, all these different opporutinties for further development. And this is where, i think, apple should go. They've already created the greatest (i think) 2D operating system, why not go out and try to create the best 3D system out there?. After all 3D environments seems to be the eventual direction of the user interface.
 
There is nothing to stop apple from going:
10.9, 10.10, 10.11 etc...

However, by this time, I think apple will have dragged out the X a bit too long.

I wonder if 10.4 will have updated iPhoto etc that appears in iLife 2 (2003 whatever it is)?
 
I like the name Tiger! Tigers are my favorite animals and I love all cats in general--that's why I switched from Windows ;)

Tigers are powerful, graceful, arrogant, territorial, proud and they always seem to land on their feet when they fall--wait a minute that sounds like Steve Jobs :rolleyes:
 
Enough on the name and cost...what will/should it have?

Here are some guesses/wishes to get us all started:

(keep in mind Apple seems to like to list 10 "really compelling new features" with another 90 or so that are cool to have as well...these are usually a balance between consumer and pro)

Faster (always)

Further UI refinements and subtle changes

Still better interoperability with Windoze

"Home on iPod" (finally!)

Finder
- "smart folders" (including true meta-data built into the filesystem)
- support for compression/archive formats other than ZIP

Address Book
- "smart groups"
- envelope printing (duh!)

Mail
- "smart folders"

Dock
- perhaps re-considered and re-designed a bit

(sorry, that is all I can think of)
 
silvergunuk said:
Haberdasher, Check again the tiger dwarfs the lion in size and would kill it in a fight. The lion just sits about doing bugger all all day whilst it sends the females out to kill. It's no match, the Tiger would have a Lion. :)

Heh. Not true if you are to believe the discovery channel. They've got this weird series on pitting one animal against another in computer simulations.
Animal Face-off
The lion thrashed the tiger due to its mane which kept the tiger from delivering the 1000+ pounds of pressure it can deliver to snap the spinal cord. That and lions are taught how to fight not hunt but fight from birth. Tigers are natural stalkers. They hunt. Male lions have to fight for control of their pride. I still think the show was BS. Tigers have more girth behind them. They ARE bigger and stronger, esp a Amur tiger. Tiger paws alone can snap bones with a swipe. It would be an even match if nothing else. The show focused way too much on the killing methods rather then the total traits of the animals.
 
Stella said:
However, Not wanting to start a flame war or anything... Apple does not force us to upgrade, 10.3 will not cripple itself and refuse to operate. I know a few people still on Jaquar, and they are quite happy.

Apple forces you to update... new software won't run on old OSes :)
 
GetSome681 said:
looks like apple is turning into microsoft with the yearly $129 OS upgrade...

Which is why I'm still using 10.2.8. I've had my Mac since August 03, and have decided that I'll upgrade every 2 OS's or less if they release one per year. I would like Expose and a better Safari but can't justify the $129 for that. Maybe with both of those and some new features in 10.4, I'll likely buy. (esp Home on iPod).
 
10.4 Tiger is probably going to be awesome...

Considering I have loved every new Mac OS X release to date. However, I am still probably not going to purchase it if a $129 fee is attached. As much I love Apple products, I have reached that point where Panther will be my OS of choice for some time. I do not necessarily need the latest and greatest upgrade. It would be nice, but I do have other needs and expenses. And $129 is not pocket change.
 
ZildjianKX said:
Apple forces you to update... new software won't run on old OSes :)

Only if you need/want that new software.

But then this is not much different that Windoze anyway.
 
Booorrrinnngg. Where are the new Powerbooks, the new Powermacs, the new everything???? @#$%^!!!!!!$#@$%% :(
 
tiger or whatever, I hope 10.4 will knock everyone off their socks.

When do you think they'll stop go up .1 (10.4, 10.5 ...) upgrades and go to 11 ?

What would be a good theme for OS XI
 
SiliconAddict said:
Heh. Not true if you are to believe the discovery channel. They've got this weird series on pitting one animal against another in computer simulations.
Animal Face-off
The lion thrashed the tiger due to its mane which kept the tiger from delivering the 1000+ pounds of pressure it can deliver to snap the spinal cord. That and lions are taught how to fight not hunt but fight from birth. Tigers are natural stalkers. They hunt. Male lions have to fight for control of their pride. I still think the show was BS. Tigers have more girth behind them. They ARE bigger and stronger, esp a Amur tiger. Tiger paws alone can snap bones with a swipe. It would be an even match if nothing else. The show focused way too much on the killing methods rather then the total traits of the animals.

I agree. A tiger would take a lion any day of the week (one on one, of course).
 
You mean Apple software such as Safari, Mail etc etc won't run on old OSXs, however, 3rd party software normally does.

I don't know of many software products that specifically require OSX 10.3.

ZildjianKX said:
Apple forces you to update... new software won't run on old OSes :)
 
The wonderful thing about Tiger is
Tigers a wonderful thing.
The software is made out of unix
Their bottom is made out.....

:D


A (Double P) L E

For those of you with young kids you will get this last one more than others :eek:


So if Apple makes Tiger does that mean Microsoft makes Pooh?!?! :confused:
 
I'll purchase 10.4 as soon as I can order it. I have done that with each OS since 10.2. I love being able to show off the newest NON-WINDOWS features to every Windows user I know. I just hope I will be able to get it preinstalled on my Powerbook G5. One of those is going to be my next major Mac purchase...now only if one of them would come out...
 
ZildjianKX said:
Apple forces you to update... new software won't run on old OSes :)

Sooooo What you are saying is you want new software for free? The "new software" you speak of is I assume Safari updates, mail, etc. are becoming a part of the OS really and updates to that are just all lumped together as an OS, with individual updates provided to help with issues, etc.
 
Originally Posted by MacBoyX
What?
Microsoft does not update yearly.

Windows 95 - 1995
Windows 98 - 1998
Windows XP - 2002
Windows Longhorn - 2006ish


painandgreed said:
You're forgetting:
Windows 98 Second Edition
Windows ME

Not to menton that MS upgrades are twice what Apple's are.

We need to remember, M$ doesn not innovate either so they are simply taking others work and selling it as their own...Apple innovates with new things that have never been done and sells them rightfully so. If you don't want to upgrade every year take the advice of another poster and do it every two years...it is not like if you wait to upgrade to Panther you won't reap the benefits of Panther when you upgrade to Tiger. You vote with your dollars...so go vote for who you want to control your computer! :rolleyes:
 
flyfish29 said:
Sooooo What you are saying is you want new software for free? The "new software" you speak of is I assume Safari updates, mail, etc. are becoming a part of the OS really and updates to that are just all lumped together as an OS, with individual updates provided to help with issues, etc.

I don't think he or she is necessarily saying that either. The statement was broad enough that it could have several meanings. For instance, it could mean he is happy that some Apple applications will not have the same upgrade life on 10.3 as in 10.4. Just a matter of perspective.

Personally, if Apple can sell it, who really cares... I know I am happy with my current OS (Panther) and the current version of iLife. I also know that I won't need a brand new version of Office. It may all seem old and outdated in a year, but technology goes too fast for my wallet. I understand the people that want the latest and greatest and am jealous of those who can actually afford it.
 
I dont have a problem with the name Tiger, but it sounds kinda 'final', like its the name Apple would give the last version of X as we know it.

I suggest 'Mongbeast'
 
So don't upgrade

Exactly. If you don't want the OS to improve, don't pay. What does it hurt you that others DO want to see Apple's rapid innovation continue?

Your "old" OS and your "old" apps that run on it will be just as good in two years as they are today--and that's true whether Apple has something new out or not--since you don't want it anyway.
 
I thought we knew many months ago that Tiger was the expected next name in the series. I've been calling it that all along, and I must have heard it somewhere.

I'd like to know which iLife apps it will include.

And I wonder if the database-based-Finder has arrived.

I can't imagine any improvement that would change my life as much as Exposé did.
 
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