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Mac OS X 10.4: Tiger
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GetSome681 said:
Yeah, kinda' scary. Expecially considering that with Microsoft Products you can justify the need for expensive licensing because the hardware is cheaper. But when we're paying more in OS upgrades ALONG WITH more expensive hardware than the Windows world enjoys, it's getting pretty crazy.
Don't get me wrong, I've thought every penny was worth the new features that the OS has brought, but it's wearing thin real quick. Now questions will start rasing like, "Should I wait to buy iLife `05 or wait for it to be bundled in OSX 10.4" or "Should I wait to buy OSX 10.4 and just wait a year for OSX 10.5" ??
I've found if you don't upgrade your powerbook to the latest OS when windows friends come to look at my powerbook I can't show them the latest 'expose' and other cool things. So I would imagine Apple is missing some advertising opportunities due to trying to squeeze more money out of it's already small customer base.
What next? iPod OS updates for $25 ?? Of course not because every happy iPod customer is free advertising. I'd like to see OSX 10.4 to be the cost of distribution of media and manuals. $129 if you want the books with it, $25 if you just want the media, $150 for media and free 1 year subscription of .Mac. It seems like .Mac subscribers should get free OS updates, oh well.... I will probably never be a .Mac account holder.
I was hoping for "Chinese Civet Cat." Then if the OS detected you saying negative things about Apple on forums such as these, it would use those 73 fans in your G5 to blow SARS in your face.
WinDoze9t8 said:
Better yet, why not "OSX P*ssy"? It will sell great to pubescent boys and lonely hetero male geeks everywhere!
montecristo said:
Thanks montecristo,
I would have got a little worked up if I had the chance to reply to Foxers initial comment. Lucky you got in first. Its time for peoples brains to move up from OS 9 me thinks
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Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
In the forests of the night.
What Immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand, dare seize the fire?
And what shoulder, and what art,
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart begin to beat,
What dread hand? and what dread feet?
What the hammer? What the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?
When the stars threw down their spears,
And water'd heaven with their tears,
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Tyger! Tyger! burning bright,
In the forests of the night.
What Immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?
-- William Blake
Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
In the forests of the night.
What Immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand, dare seize the fire?
And what shoulder, and what art,
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart begin to beat,
What dread hand? and what dread feet?
What the hammer? What the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?
When the stars threw down their spears,
And water'd heaven with their tears,
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Tyger! Tyger! burning bright,
In the forests of the night.
What Immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?
-- William Blake
I'll bite
The problem with this argument is that it's self defeatingly circular. Apple forces you to update because you want to run new software?
Let's follow this. You want to run new software. I don't know of any software that SPECIFICALLY requires 10.3 only, and doesn't have any older versions that won't run on 10.2 or 10.1/0, but let's assume I'm just missing them.
So, you want to run new software. Presumably this new software is either brand new or an upgrade to your existing software.
If it's an upgrade there are two possibilities - the developers are too lazy to make it backwards compatible, or there is some specific feature of 10.3 (in this instance) that the new version of their software exploits (Safari is a prime example of the latter). In the former case, it's the software developer that's forcing you to upgrade, and your beef is with them. Note that even if that software developer is Apple, your beef is with the app team, NOT the OS team. There's nothing intrinsic about the OS that forces developers to make their apps non-backwards compatible.
In the latter case it's your own desire that's making you upgrade. Software developer X has spotted a use for feature Y of Panther. If you want that feature, you need to buy panther, because it's simply not there in Jaguar. That's hardly being forced to do anything, short of arguing that paying for Jaguar features entitles you to all subsequent developments for free.
In either case, nobody's forcing you to do anything. If you want to run the "latest features", then that's your choice. A new OS doesn't suddenly break your current one.
A similar argument holds for new apps. What's the sense in expecting (for example) an app that extends Font Book to be released on Jaguar? The old argument that "PS 7 runs as well in win 95 as it does in XP" just shows me how spurious the upgrade path for windows really is. How much would buying win95 and then win XP cost you? About $600 (new cost for both). And for what? For no real gains?
Basically, your argument doesn't match your conclusion. Your conclusion is "evil apple is bleeding me dry for nothing". Your argument says "Year on year apple is adding new features to its OS, which I can opt into if I choose to run the latest software"
The idea that Windows's upgrade path is comparable is laughable. Backwards compatibility to the extent displayed by Windows says one thing to me - it says that they haven't managed to stabilise the system and that each "version" is simply a bug fix. What was the last "new feature" that Windows introduced? Seriously?
Windows has been stuck at version 4 for 9 years (and will continue for at least another 2). We get a new OS version each year, after OS X took two years to stabilise.
Yeah, someone's got a gun at my head forcing me to upgrade...
ZildjianKX said:Apple forces you to update... new software won't run on old OSes
The problem with this argument is that it's self defeatingly circular. Apple forces you to update because you want to run new software?
Let's follow this. You want to run new software. I don't know of any software that SPECIFICALLY requires 10.3 only, and doesn't have any older versions that won't run on 10.2 or 10.1/0, but let's assume I'm just missing them.
So, you want to run new software. Presumably this new software is either brand new or an upgrade to your existing software.
If it's an upgrade there are two possibilities - the developers are too lazy to make it backwards compatible, or there is some specific feature of 10.3 (in this instance) that the new version of their software exploits (Safari is a prime example of the latter). In the former case, it's the software developer that's forcing you to upgrade, and your beef is with them. Note that even if that software developer is Apple, your beef is with the app team, NOT the OS team. There's nothing intrinsic about the OS that forces developers to make their apps non-backwards compatible.
In the latter case it's your own desire that's making you upgrade. Software developer X has spotted a use for feature Y of Panther. If you want that feature, you need to buy panther, because it's simply not there in Jaguar. That's hardly being forced to do anything, short of arguing that paying for Jaguar features entitles you to all subsequent developments for free.
In either case, nobody's forcing you to do anything. If you want to run the "latest features", then that's your choice. A new OS doesn't suddenly break your current one.
A similar argument holds for new apps. What's the sense in expecting (for example) an app that extends Font Book to be released on Jaguar? The old argument that "PS 7 runs as well in win 95 as it does in XP" just shows me how spurious the upgrade path for windows really is. How much would buying win95 and then win XP cost you? About $600 (new cost for both). And for what? For no real gains?
Basically, your argument doesn't match your conclusion. Your conclusion is "evil apple is bleeding me dry for nothing". Your argument says "Year on year apple is adding new features to its OS, which I can opt into if I choose to run the latest software"
The idea that Windows's upgrade path is comparable is laughable. Backwards compatibility to the extent displayed by Windows says one thing to me - it says that they haven't managed to stabilise the system and that each "version" is simply a bug fix. What was the last "new feature" that Windows introduced? Seriously?
Windows has been stuck at version 4 for 9 years (and will continue for at least another 2). We get a new OS version each year, after OS X took two years to stabilise.
Yeah, someone's got a gun at my head forcing me to upgrade...
I'm with the 'Lynx' people
Lynx would be a good choice, because it would be a good play on words in this Internet age.
In fact, if it's a real speedy system, it would be called Hyperlynx!
Lynx would be a good choice, because it would be a good play on words in this Internet age.
In fact, if it's a real speedy system, it would be called Hyperlynx!
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A couple people have mentioned after 10.9 going to 10.10. I think this would make mathematicians cringe, since 10.10 is the same as 10.1. It would be a downgrade, not an upgrade.
It's bad enough that the current version is called "OS X 10.3.3". Or occasionally I see things like "OS X v10.3.3." It is NOT version 10.3.3 of OS X!! It is OS 10.3.3 or possibly OS X.3.3, but not OS X 10.3.3. (sigh)
In any case, Tiger doesn't sound good to me: not original enough. But by the time it comes out, I'll have a Powerbook G5 and will be too happy to complain!
It's bad enough that the current version is called "OS X 10.3.3". Or occasionally I see things like "OS X v10.3.3." It is NOT version 10.3.3 of OS X!! It is OS 10.3.3 or possibly OS X.3.3, but not OS X 10.3.3. (sigh)
In any case, Tiger doesn't sound good to me: not original enough. But by the time it comes out, I'll have a Powerbook G5 and will be too happy to complain!
Ask and ye shall receive. That's been there since October at least. Click on each of the New Feature Categories if you want to see every single one (the Everyone category doesn't include all of them).1macker1 said:
I won't bother responding to the rest of your post since IMHO you're a borderline troll.
WM
Are you serious???
The Hardware isn't cheaper for one, there is actually very little difference once spec is taken into account. Hey! remember virginia tech, that decision was made on the back of costing as much as anything else. But more importantly the argument is entirely spurious - microsoft don't sell the hardware.
These are questions we all have to ask, always have, even have to ask them about TV's, cars and video cameras.
If that's what you buy software for I pity you. But put some logic up against what you say, you could hardly show your friends the "latest expose and other cool things, if Apple didn't keep providing it.
I'm afraid it would soon put apple out of business if they charged you what you wanted to pay. Can't say I know of too many succesful businesses that work on that basis. There is this little consideration of covering costs and makeing a reasonable profit, that all businesses have to think about, however inconvenient it might be for you who just wants to show his friends the latest stuff.
ryanw said:
The Hardware isn't cheaper for one, there is actually very little difference once spec is taken into account. Hey! remember virginia tech, that decision was made on the back of costing as much as anything else. But more importantly the argument is entirely spurious - microsoft don't sell the hardware.
ryanw said:
These are questions we all have to ask, always have, even have to ask them about TV's, cars and video cameras.
ryanw said:
If that's what you buy software for I pity you. But put some logic up against what you say, you could hardly show your friends the "latest expose and other cool things, if Apple didn't keep providing it.
ryanw said:
I'm afraid it would soon put apple out of business if they charged you what you wanted to pay. Can't say I know of too many succesful businesses that work on that basis. There is this little consideration of covering costs and makeing a reasonable profit, that all businesses have to think about, however inconvenient it might be for you who just wants to show his friends the latest stuff.
WM. said:
Depending on how you use your computer, you might not find use in thos features. A bunch of them seem to be targeted at the enterprise or portable users...if that doesn't describe you, maybe you don't want to spend you $129. If I was running jaguar, and didn't have PCs to network, I would have just stayed there and skipped the upgrade.
Another problem with all of these upgrades is that the new Apple software doesn't work with the old OS: the new ilife only works with recent versions of jag, ichat av, safari, FCE2, FCP etc..so if you want Apple software you need to pony up $129
fatfish said:
High end hardware isn't Apple's pricing problem..its the stuff in the middle for average people. VT is a highend user.......
Apple's consumer line up is expensive. And there really aren't any options for you in the "sweet spots" So yes Apple hardware and software upgrades work out to be more expensive for the average user, becasue Apple doesn't have any middle-class machines.
Your option
No and the car would have never taken over from the horse and cart if they hadn't invested in gas stations. Point is many of the features of these new apps rely on the improvements built into the OS.
You have an option.
jade said:
No and the car would have never taken over from the horse and cart if they hadn't invested in gas stations. Point is many of the features of these new apps rely on the improvements built into the OS.
You have an option.
