Mac OS X 10.5.6 Release Imminent... Friday?

[137489]

Your iChats fail to connect, you must be doing something wrong then. Yea i'm just kiddin, mine hardly ever work either. We just do them to possibly be surprised if it does connect.

But actually I checked my firewall and had the ichat connection blocked. Allowed incoming connections and he opened his firewall and it connected no problem. Granted this only one person i've tried it with and we both have macbooks.

Looking forward to .6 Though I havnt had too many issues with .5

My ichat works fine. any problem I had was not related to ichat, but stupid AOL (we have to use AIM for work). All my errors have been coming back with problems with the AOL server.

I've long said that system 7 was the best gift Apple ever gave to Microsoft.

It was very hard to remain a Mac user back then. I stayed on the platform only because my job at the time made it easier for me not to switch, but I was also exposed to Windows at work as well as by friends running it. Apple was very definitely losing the game. Windows was a far better platform than the Mac back then.

The worst part of system 7 was the extensions and startup problems. All the hours I dumped into troubleshooting that crap! Ugh! That's one of the many reasons I love OS X. What's funny is I just spent time at work troubleshooting a startup problem in XP and I ended up having to disable services and startup items and turned them back on half at a time, using the same troubleshooting strategies I learned with system 7 extensions. Funny how things change.

Woah! Sounds like I was glad not to be an apple user back then. Was that time right around 1995-ish? I remember a friend of mine was given an Apple IIc. He said well, this is Windows 93, what will become your Windows 95. Even following the documentation, nothing would work right. I finally gave up and said, well I know DOS and Windows 3.11, but that - yep that's got issues.

He's not joking. 10.5.5 is very stable. Have you been toying with your system files by any chance?

10.5.5 very stable for me. In fact that and the latest updates to Mac-office 2008 (only bought it because I got it for $79 instead of $429), I have not had any problems at all. Now just to get in some Christmas money (hopefully), so that I can upgrade my ram to 4gb.

And yes, I do not tweak my system. I tried one tweak to itunes (to setup custom genre artwork), and when the next itunes update overwrote that - I said, ok what a waste of time.

 

[mobi]

I know, I'm trying to think what else they could come up with for the 10.5.6 upgrade, because there isn't much else to do between now and Snow Leopard.

Ummm anyone using Mail.app with multiple IMAP accounts. Needs much improvement. Throwing needless errors, adding "phantom" mailboxes, it is not a pleasant user experience.

 

[137489]

Resolve / Fix - much debate. Like I said it is the philosophy of the company on how that is used. Also the company may say resolved, but the end user is like "no it is not, the problem is still occuring - fix it".

Either way; it means "off my plate, next...." Regardless if the problem still occurs or not.

I have seen some posts on support sites that says:

"resolved - this is a known issue, no ETA given".
"resolved - corrected in version xxx"
"resolved - feature not supported"
"fixed - resolved by implementing in future release"

I hate that people are stickler for terminology, yet no one really uses it correctly.

Just like Routine/Program - interchangeable, yet companies may be sticklers that routine is a menu option and program is the code base. Other companies, Program is the software package and routine is the specific code.

Many times I told people (even my manager) to stop getting tripped up over terminology [he was even tripping himself up infront of users/clients].

Guess I been in this business too long......

 

[AtariAge]

Ummm anyone using Mail.app with multiple IMAP accounts. Needs much improvement. Throwing needless errors, adding "phantom" mailboxes, it is not a pleasant user experience.

I can second that. IMAP and Mail.app are not a good combination. I have several IMAP account I use with Mail and it's a big headache at times.

..Al

 

[137489]

Ummm anyone using Mail.app with multiple IMAP accounts. Needs much improvement. Throwing needless errors, adding "phantom" mailboxes, it is not a pleasant user experience.

I use Mail and Entourage (just depends on what I feel like launching). I do not see what you would call Phantom mailboxes. what I see are all the folders that are normally there under my ME and GMAIL accounts. I do not have errors either.

And yes (especially gmail), there are alot more than what would appear considering a normal exchange server - but those are specific to gmail.

 

[Stridder44]

I don't see why we would pay for a point update.

I don't either, because they're free and always have been. What's your point?

 

[SFStateStudent]

I don't either, because they're free and always have been. What's your point?

What's up on that? They're treating us like we are iPod Touch owners or something...

 

[Bad Paper]

so. It's Friday.

 

[fleshman03]

so. It's Friday.

Nothing like having the party all set up and the guest of honor doesn't show.

 

[fpbecker]

Past OS X 10.5.x updates came out at around 10:15 pm CET/1:15 pm PST if I'm not terribly mistaken. So... it'll be about 3 more hours until we know whether or not the guest of honour doesn't show up after all.

 

[darwinian]

It does have many bugs though. Look at the list. I'm sure you are having some of these problems too.

As I said before, there are one or two things on that list that *probably* affect me. I submit bug reports whenever I come across reproducible ones in OS X, but none of my currently open tickets are show stoppers.

For Me .5 is not stable at all. I have seen that beach ball coming up randomly.
So today is friday where is .6

I'm not attacking you at all, but one thing I think we would do well to avoid is statements like this. I think problems should be narrowed down and specific as often as possible. That random beach ball could be a lot of things on your system -- it might not be a problem with OS X at all. You probably know more about the problem, but based on the info there, there's no real reason to believe 10.5.6 would fix that problem. Plus, it would be untestable unless you could point to something really tangible that changed.

The key thing I need is the dropped Airport connections and slow speeds on the new MacBooks. It sucks.

There also seems to be a bunch of MBP 2008 bugs. I hope they all get stomped out.

Leopard is almost shaping up to be a stable OS. Given the bugs and pretty bad experience I have had, I may not jump on Snow Leopard that fast this time around.

I am normally a very early adopter of Apple technology, but given all of the quality issues with the hardware and software in the past 2 years, I think I am going to slow down my purchases.

I like the fact that Apple ultimately fixes most issues, but the "beta culture" that has seeped into Apple is a real turn-off.

The only real bug I noticed in my Unibody MBP currently is that funny screenshot bug. Wireless, ExpressCard, USB, FW, BT, even trackpad, kb, etc. etc. etc. -- all working great. Actually, since the latest firmware update I've had 1 BT connection problem, but a bit of fiddling with on/off and it's all fine now. Nothing in the system.log to show for it, so who knows?

Just to be clear, I do wholeheartedly agree that the last few years of Apple have not been close to perfect by any stretch of the imagination. I recall early OS X days to have been bad, too, though I had a great experience as a new user in 2000 on my Pismo running OS 9 for a short time. Except that damn bomb message.

 

[Mudcrutch]

No InDesign hide fix...

I thought that was resolved in this update... guess not?

This is driving us insane here at work.

 

[walnuts]

Ahh... that brings back memories. I remember those days. There was a guy who I worked with and he was trying to get as many extensions in his start up folder, so he could watch all these icons loading on his screen - And I said - Umm... yeah, you really don't want those - only the ones you need becasue they'll conflict with one another. Yeah, eventually understood why his computer would tank...

System 7 was, indeed, a lot of trouble shooting, that's for sure.

You know, I have to disagree. With System 7, I remember dealing a lot with extension issues, but it was always relatively clear. System 7's Extensions control panel got better with time (allowing you to clearly choose which extensions loaded). I believe there was also a third party solution that made turning extensions on and off easier while notifying you of which were known to conflict.

Ever since then, on OS X or windows, I have never seen anything so simple. All sorts of programs make edits to system files, etc., and if those changes/extensions conflict, I, as a regular old end user, have no way to figure out how to fix them. Granted, the conflicts may be less serious/frequent now, but I still found the fixes clear.

 

[younkin]

He's not joking. 10.5.5 is very stable. Have you been toying with your system files by any chance?

Nope.

All our 10.5.5 PPC machines (some more than others) have an issue with "loginwindow" crashing on user log out. You are left with a blank screen but an active mouse. There's no way out but a forced shutdown. We are far from alone with this problem (numerous threads at the Apple Discussions).

Also, all our PPC machines are plagued with kernel panics on a regular basis. There's no rhyme or reason to the panics; they're all over the map. I wouldn't even know where to start with that.

Our PPC machines were solid as a rock under 10.4; 10.5 has been a foul experience, to say the least.

 

[Eric S.]

Nope.

All our 10.5.5 PPC machines (some more than others) have an issue with "loginwindow" crashing on user log out. You are left with a blank screen but an active mouse. There's no way out but a forced shutdown. We are far from alone with this problem (numerous threads at the Apple Discussions).

Also, all our PPC machines are plagued with kernel panics on a regular basis. There's no rhyme or reason to the panics; they're all over the map. I wouldn't even know where to start with that.

Our PPC machines were solid as a rock under 10.4; 10.5 has been a foul experience, to say the least.

I'm curious - what PPC machines are you running it on?

 

[motulist]

Nope.

All our 10.5.5 PPC machines (some more than others) have an issue with "loginwindow" crashing on user log out. You are left with a blank screen but an active mouse. There's no way out but a forced shutdown. We are far from alone with this problem (numerous threads at the Apple Discussions).

Also, all our PPC machines are plagued with kernel panics on a regular basis. There's no rhyme or reason to the panics; they're all over the map. I wouldn't even know where to start with that.

Our PPC machines were solid as a rock under 10.4; 10.5 has been a foul experience, to say the least.

Do you ever run any bittorrent clients on these machines? Transmission is known to cause complete crashes of leopard, even if transmission isn't running at the time but had been launched sometime since the last restart.

 

[mcguidance]

Totally newbie here, but are firmware updates that I have been getting the updates you all were referencing?

 

[Kar98]

Totally newbie here, but are firmware updates that I have been getting the updates you all were referencing?

No, these are discussed here:
https://www.macrumors.com/2008/12/10/apple-releases-firmware-updates-for-late-2008-portables/

 

[Roy Hobbs]

Ummm anyone using Mail.app with multiple IMAP accounts. Needs much improvement. Throwing needless errors, adding "phantom" mailboxes, it is not a pleasant user experience.

Works fine for me, I have Mail setup with 4 IMAP account and it works without issue

 

[Eric S.]

Totally newbie here, but are firmware updates that I have been getting the updates you all were referencing?

Well, what firmware updates have you been getting? What system/OS version are you running, and what do the updates say?

 

[fleshman03]

Ummm anyone using Mail.app with multiple IMAP accounts. Needs much improvement. Throwing needless errors, adding "phantom" mailboxes, it is not a pleasant user experience.

Yupp I get that too. Sometimes one account just will not work. (they both are gMail.)

 

[HBOC]

Isn't Snow Leopard 10.6? At least, I thought it was. Still waiting for the 10.5.6 Update...

Wouldn't it be 11.0? How many OS's has apple had? more than 11? sorry, i am fairly new to apple, but remember using apple's (macintosh) in the mid 80's at school. i graduated HS in 97', just so people have an idea of how old i am

10.5.5 has been nothing but stable for me. I have never had a crash, unlike on XP.

 

[KingYaba]

Our PPC machines were solid as a rock under 10.4; 10.5 has been a foul experience, to say the least.

Sorry to hear that.

 

[Mal]

Wouldn't it be 11.0? How many OS's has apple had? more than 11? sorry, i am fairly new to apple, but remember using apple's (macintosh) in the mid 80's at school. i graduated HS in 97', just so people have an idea of how old i am

10.5.5 has been nothing but stable for me. I have never had a crash, unlike on XP.

There won't be an 11.0 for many years most likely, OS X was intended to last Apple 10-15 years at least, and it's only been 7. In the old days, each new version of the operating system (which were not always the exact same kernel, though they were based around it) was a new integer update (System 6, System 7, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9). In the Mac OS X world, we now have point upgrades and then smaller bug fix updates. So everything for the past 7 years has been OS X (10.x) and that trend could easily continue to OS X 10.15 if they so choose (not to be confused with 10.1.5).

jW

 

[Soat]

Wouldn't it be 11.0? How many OS's has apple had? more than 11? sorry, i am fairly new to apple, but remember using apple's (macintosh) in the mid 80's at school. i graduated HS in 97', just so people have an idea of how old i am

10.5.5 has been nothing but stable for me. I have never had a crash, unlike on XP.

Snow Leopard is 10.6, next update will be 10.5.6. OS 9 to OS X (10) was a major rewrite of the entire OS, throwing Unix in there, all sorts of changes. OS 11 probably won't be as drastic as 9 -> 10 was, but who knows. Maybe those 3D desktops?

10.6 is going to be a re-write/cleaning up/optimizing of core code to the OS + OpenCL and some other under-the-hood goodies. It's not considered a "major version" because it will retain all of the UI elements of Leopard 10.5, and Joe MacUser won't know the difference beyond speed (and second-degree burns from 2 GPUs and a dual core processor all crunching numbers at the same time inside his very cramped Macbook Pro).