Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) at WWDC

[whooleytoo]

What was the source for that juicy info?

Even in the pre-Next days, Apple tended to have more than one OS team going at a time, one on the immediate OS release, one on the 'next gen' project.

It wasn't too difficult to figure out - 10.2 introduced technologies such as Quartz Extreme, Rendevous, the Address Book APIs. 10.3 didn't really introduce the same level of technologies, but did introduce new features (such as Expose) that used the new technologies introduced in 10.2 (QE in this case). Likewise, 10.4 introduced Core Image, Core Video, Quartz 2D Extreme (though it's off by default), Spotlight and Core Data, so presumably these technologies will be leveraged heavily in 10.5

I believe it was Appleinsider or Thinksecret that confirmed what many people already suspected, there were two separate OS teams, which were being merged when Apple announced there would be a longer delay before the 10.5 launch. (If I find the link, I'll post it here).

 

[(L)]

Quartz 2D Extreme (though it's off by default)

OK, whatzzat? Could I use it? If it's off by default, what have I been missing?

 

[whooleytoo]

OK, whatzzat? Could I use it? If it's off by default, what have I been missing?

Basically, accelerated 2D graphics. More info - and some benchmarks here

 

[FF_productions]

I can't believe wwdc got pushed to august, I wanna see how Leopard is..

 

[(L)]

Basically, accelerated 2D graphics. More info - and some benchmarks here

Thank you for th at!

 

[(L)]

Basically, accelerated 2D graphics. More info - and some benchmarks here

OK... hmm. well, is there a way I can enable it and try it out? Or is it locked away tight? Sounds interesting.

EDIT - never mind, I read that part. Darn. Guess it mustn't be ready then, though. Leopard for sure?

 

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Higher resolution at the same size would be great. That's obviously more easy on the eyes. Plus, Apple's displays on the portables still lag behind.

To be honest, I own both a recent iBook and the new MacBook Pro and...

...the iBook's screen is definitely lagging, in need of an update (brightness and possibly resolution)

...but the MacBook Pro's screen is undeniably gorgeous, bright, and has a higher resolution than my 19" Dell Monitor. I think that it is a very competent screen to comparable 15.4" laptops on the market.

 

[(L)]

To be honest, I own both a recent iBook and the new MacBook Pro and...

...the iBook's screen is definitely lagging, in need of an update (brightness and possibly resolution)

...but the MacBook Pro's screen is undeniably gorgeous, bright, and has a higher resolution than my 19" Dell Monitor. I think that it is a very competent screen to comparable 15.4" laptops on the market.

Does it match Sony's (?) XBRITE or whatever? mac screens tend to have this matte look while others are glass like. I should check one out again though.

Hopefully the MB will blow us away. If it's as good as the MBP screen it'll be fine, though still behind some of the competition. THAT is one area that Apple loses on looks.

 

[whooleytoo]

OK... hmm. well, is there a way I can enable it and try it out? Or is it locked away tight? Sounds interesting.

You can enable it temporarily using Quartz Debug (if you have the developer tools installed). It's in /Developer/Performance Tools.

It only affects applications launched after you turn it on, and if you quit Quartz Debug, it'll disable Q2DE again. There's a hint here for how to turn it on permanently.

Experiences vary from it not making much difference, to it offering a huge performance increase, but being a little buggy.

 

[MarkCollette]

I sold both my Macs so I can buy a MacBook when they arrive and using this pile of loud, ugly **** running XP Pro i'm thinking "i'd give anything to be using a 333MHz iMac running OS 9 rather than this"

oh well...HURRY UP MACBOOKS!

- Joe.

You can buy my iMac 333. Do you like green?

 

[(L)]

You can enable it temporarily using Quartz Debug (if you have the developer tools installed). It's in /Developer/Performance Tools.

It only affects applications launched after you turn it on, and if you quit Quartz Debug, it'll disable Q2DE again. There's a hint here for how to turn it on permanently.

Experiences vary from it not making much difference, to it offering a huge performance increase, but being a little buggy.

Yup. Sounds like something cool but not quite there. I might try it out. Thanky.

 

[dongmin]

I hope Leopard will give both options.
Virtualization for quick 'n easy usage of Windows apps, and
Boot Camp for full speed Windows gaming.

Someone think a "red box" could be implemented?

I remember way back there was talk of OS X supporting multiple desktops. Here, I found the link:

http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=234

It'd be nice to have multiple desktops, expose, and virtualization all integrated. First X11, then Universal apps, and now Boot Camp. Apple does seem to be moving towards platform independence, no?

 

[JGowan]

That's my $0.02

SHIFT-4 is the Almighty-Dollar Sign which we're familiar with... but you can type a "CENT" sign by doing OPTION-4.

That's my 2¢!

 

[displaced]

Does it match Sony's (?) XBRITE or whatever? mac screens tend to have this matte look while others are glass like. I should check one out again though.

Hopefully the MB will blow us away. If it's as good as the MBP screen it'll be fine, though still behind some of the competition. THAT is one area that Apple loses on looks.

The 'glossy' screens are indeed gorgeous....

... in the right light.

Most LCD's suffer under direct light anyway. The glossy screen just adds a crapload of reflection into the mix too. My PSP's Xbrite screen is a nightmare in natural lighting. A few of the Sony's I've seen also have the Xbrite, and they're horrendous in anything but indoor, dim conditions.

I'd take a traditional matte effect screen any day of the week. You might lose the 'wow' factor, but more than make up for it in versatility.

 

[Fredstar]

An idependant UI would be great..

..if that means what i think it means, as in one can change the size of the traffic light buttons in windows, all the other buttons are generally bigger, the resizing tab on all windows are larger etc etc
I love the way Tiger is, using it is a pleasure. I can't see much they can do to improve (obviously apart from above), i am certainly intrigued to see what Jobs can come up with to justify spending another £60 odd on an upgrade.

 

[JGowan]

very cool. How many more versions of OSX will there be until OS 11, will they go to 10.9?

I'd imagine they will although I found it interesting that, according to Wikipedia, Apple didn't publicy name OS X after a cat until 10.2's Jaguar. They apparently back-tracked and gave 10.0 and 10.1 cat names after the fact. [edit: Prior to its release, version 10.0 was code named "Cheetah" internally at Apple, and version 10.1 was code named internally as "Puma".]

I wonder what other names they'll be? Surely 10.9 will be LION, but what of the others? Cougar? Ocelot? How about Lynx? Is it completely out of the question?

10.0 = CHEETAH
10.1 = PUMA
10.2= JAGUAR
10.3 = PANTHER
10.4 = TIGER
10.5 = LEOPARD
10.6 = ?
10.7 = ?
10.8 = ?
10.9 = LION ?

Any thoughts?

 

[displaced]

Apple has collaborated with the finest mathematicians, physicists, and software developers to bring us 4D computing in the upcoming OS X 10.5, right on your typical CRT or LCD screen.

As they explained it to me, the 4 dimensional experience is represented in its 3 dimensional subcomponents in their respective discrete time intervals. Sufficient granularity of the time interval partitioning adequately maps into our mind's cognitive perception of 4D. The 3 dimension subcomponents are then mathematically projected upon a 2 dimensional plane, via a matrox of G forces emmitting electromagnetic radeonosity, which is then displayed on your screen. To the layman, it might appear like voodoo, but I assure you, it's all based in sound science.

Yeah... but I bet I can get it cheaper on a Dell!

 

[macEfan]

I'd imagine they will although I found it interesting that, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X, Apple didn't publicy name OS X after a cat until 10.2's Jaguar. They apparently back-tracked and gave 10.0 and 10.1 cat names after the fact.

I wonder what other names they'll be? Surely 10.9 will be LION, but what of the others? Cougar? Ocelot? How about Lynx? Is it completely out of the question?

10.0 = CHEETAH
10.1 = PUMA
10.2= JAGUAR
10.3 = PANTHER
10.4 = TIGER
10.5 = LEOPARD
10.6 = ?
10.7 = ?
10.8 = ?
10.9 = LION ?

Any thoughts?

It will be intersting on what names they will choose for future OS's.... I guess we will just have to wait and see....

 

[shooterlv]

i'm guessing we'll see a major update to the visual appearance of the UI. brushed metal will be gone.

I'm thinking Chrome interface where the window borders and backgrounds actually reflect the user using the built in eyesight.

 

[displaced]

I'd imagine they will although I found it interesting that, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X, Apple didn't publicy name OS X after a cat until 10.2's Jaguar. They apparently back-tracked and gave 10.0 and 10.1 cat names after the fact.

I wonder what other names they'll be? Surely 10.9 will be LION, but what of the others? Cougar? Ocelot? How about Lynx? Is it completely out of the question?

10.0 = CHEETAH
10.1 = PUMA
10.2= JAGUAR
10.3 = PANTHER
10.4 = TIGER
10.5 = LEOPARD
10.6 = ?
10.7 = ?
10.8 = ?
10.9 = LION ?

Any thoughts?

Fill in a couple of those gaps with Fictional Characters....

<Ben Affleck in 'Jay & Silent Bob">
Fic-tion-al characters! Understand? FIC-TION-ALL CHAR-AC-TERS!
</BAiJ&SB>

10.6.... Aslan!
10.7.... Bagheera
10.8.... Schrödinger's (might not want to observe that one)
10.9.... CatDog

(seriously... is there no list of pointless crap you can't find on Wikipedia? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_cats )

I kid not.

 

[displaced]

I'm thinking Chrome interface where the window borders and backgrounds actually reflect the user using the built in eyesight.

(shhh! those haxie guys at Unsanity might hear you and make this happen. The horror!)

 

[AidenShaw]

And MS would rake in the dollars

The Mac transfer would proceed as presently, but the Windows transfer would offer to install Windows and (permitted) apps in its own partition if desired (Boot Camp style) and/or transfer all the user's documents, pictures, and music into the analagous areas on the Mac.

And MS would be making more per Mac than Apple - since there would be a Windows license sold every time this was used.

 

[Platform]

I'd imagine they will although I found it interesting that, according to Wikipedia, Apple didn't publicy name OS X after a cat until 10.2's Jaguar. They apparently back-tracked and gave 10.0 and 10.1 cat names after the fact. [edit: Prior to its release, version 10.0 was code named "Cheetah" internally at Apple, and version 10.1 was code named internally as "Puma".]

I wonder what other names they'll be? Surely 10.9 will be LION, but what of the others? Cougar? Ocelot? How about Lynx? Is it completely out of the question?

10.0 = CHEETAH
10.1 = PUMA
10.2= JAGUAR
10.3 = PANTHER
10.4 = TIGER
10.5 = LEOPARD
10.6 = ?
10.7 = ?
10.8 = ?
10.9 = LION ?

Any thoughts?

This has been discussed to death, but to say they don't need to go until 10.9....they only went till 9.2 and 8.6

 

[dejo]

I wonder what other names they'll be? Surely 10.9 will be LION, but what of the others? Cougar? Ocelot? How about Lynx? Is it completely out of the question?

10.0 = CHEETAH
10.1 = PUMA
10.2= JAGUAR
10.3 = PANTHER
10.4 = TIGER
10.5 = LEOPARD
10.6 = ?
10.7 = ?
10.8 = ?
10.9 = LION ?

Any thoughts?

Why can't 10.10 be Lion?

 

[Stridder44]

Whoa, you must be a recent switcher? You cant get much more user friendly than OSX and there is a Help section in the 'toolbar' at the top of the screen in almost every application made for OSX. Or you could just hover over stuff to get a help bubble to appear.

lol ya ok so I guess I did sound like a recent switcher, but no Its actually been about 4 years now. Im talking for the people who are completely new to Macs. Sure you and I all understand what something as simple as the Dock does, but alot of people will use my Mac and be completly confused just trying to find Safari to surf the net.

Im just saying, why not incorporate an "OS X Tour (or whatnot)" app that starts up (which you can easily quit and remove forever if you wanted) when you first get your Mac.

Don't get me wrong I think OS X is very user friendly. But I also very much think that something like that would help the unknowing in their first time experience instead of just being confused.