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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard: Dock 1.6
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Wow. Came here to make a comment and ended up in the middle of a cat fight. 
After reading the AI bit - am I the only one unimpressed with Stacks? Or am I missing something. Right now I can right click on a folder and get a pop up of the contents, and I can click on or type to get what I want.
Stacks look like the same thing, but with a left click and a 'leaning tower' stack. Is this just a prettier way of doing what I already do??
After reading the AI bit - am I the only one unimpressed with Stacks? Or am I missing something. Right now I can right click on a folder and get a pop up of the contents, and I can click on or type to get what I want.
Stacks look like the same thing, but with a left click and a 'leaning tower' stack. Is this just a prettier way of doing what I already do??
"just fine" is ok...but will it still be running "just fine" when you have many applications running? dashboard itself takes up a lot of RAM, and now with the new dock as well as spaces, how much can the 950 handle? has anyone tried pushing leopard to its limit, graphics-wise? (only for the case of a macbook)
Wow. Came here to make a comment and ended up in the middle of a cat fight.
After reading the AI bit - am I the only one unimpressed with Stacks? Or am I missing something. Right now I can right click on a folder and get a pop up of the contents, and I can click on or type to get what I want.
Stacks look like the same thing, but with a left click and a 'leaning tower' stack. Is this just a prettier way of doing what I already do??
If you think this is the same as what you do then yes.
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I think those comments are uncalled for. I don't believe asking Apple to offer some customization options is a bad idea at all. Put it in System Preferences and have buttons to turn various eye candy features on/off, adjust the system bar the way you want it, turn the dock back into the old model or whatever. I don't understand why so many mAc uSeRs get so upset when someone wants to do something differently. Do we all have to be like the Borg? One of the things I like about Linux is all the options it has to customize it's appearance. It needs a unified layer underneath pretty badly, but the eye candy stuff is just appearances. I would go as far as to say Apple should bring back THEMING as a preference editor. Honestly, I'm half surprised Apple even lets you change the background image the way they seem to force certain things on their users. It would at least be nice to be able to choose between Aqua and the new steely look. They already have the Aqua theme made.
Also you need to understand that the world lives on computers for everything. We no longer need them just to do exciting things like spreadsheets and corporate presentations with charts, woo hoo
I think you need to understand that not everyone wants their Mac to look like YOUR Mac and some people appreciate simplicity over flash (Personally I like a bit of eye candy, but the user in question does not and I can appreciate that).
News flash, computers are a big part of our entertainment lives, we use them more than TV or telephones so graphics and a beautiful OS play big so wake up or go back to Windows 98, I think the latter works best for you.
I think the patronizing tone is out of line. Nobody needs to go back to Windows98 just because you think everyone should just accept default settings on everything. I mean there are people out there that PREFER the CLI/Shell environment (especially on Linux/Unix platforms...ironically Leopard is now official UNIX... ha ha). You probably think it looks boring as all heck, but the shell is a VERY powerful thing if you really know how to use it.
I think he's simply saying it could be a LOT snappier if you could turn unnecessary eye candy off. Sometimes performance is more desirable than watching globes spin, penguins dance and reflections give you vertigo. Some people actually find such things cheesy. It's certainly not what you'd want in a lot of 'boring' business environment jobs. It wouldn't be hard for Apple to support turning options OFF. In fact, I think it would be quite easy. They have a nice System Preference editor pane that could use a new applet or two.
Given how buggy Vista is, it's not hard to imagine it being difficult to get it to play nice with OSX so I wouldn't necessarily place the blame on Apple there. It could show up in an update at some point.
I have been very disappointed by the fact there have been no real updates (other than the quick bug fixes) to Safari since the 'beta' was released. It broke things like Yahoo Messenger scrolling (such as it is) and overall seems vastly inferior to me than using Safari 2.x, which is updated regularly, extremely customizable and the plugin options are unbelievable. I'd prefer Apple concentrate on the OS than worry about trying to enter the browser market. They appear to be spread thin enough as it is with iPhone. I'm also afraid the lack of update releases may mean that Tiger support is dropped from further Safari updates altogether (whereas even 10.2 is supported still by Firefox 2.x). The browser shouldn't be tied to the OS like that, IMO. It reminds me too much of Microsoft. Meanwhile, XP gets Safari and it dates much older than Tiger.
That's disappointing to hear (first time I noticed anyone say it's NOT in Leopard). I thought that was going to make all the difference when using LCD screens which need to run at native resolution to look their best. I still prefer CRTs (true blacks, true resolution switching, etc.), but they're getting harder and harder to find, although used ones are quite cheap.
I would have liked to see rotating LCDs with full OSX support for the vertical rotation mode (Windows has some kludges for such things, but the Mac seems limited to things like Mame arcade emulation for such uses). The point there is if Apple's own monitors were designed to rotate, it might actually get some real application support whereas hacks are just hacks.
I've been a Mac user for years now, and still use Windows for non-Mac applications, but I have to agree with this comment. A lot of people have agreed with it as well, since I have made a similar comment regarding GUI customization in Leopard. Mostly it was in regards to comments about the new Menu Bar transparency and Dock since some thought they were unattractive. I thought it would make a lot of sense for Apple to implement simple tweaks for each user to adjust certain graphical interfaces, like the opacity/transparency of the menu bar, or dock features, or even the color scheme of the finder windows (and I don't mean just the background color, but the actual window frame color from gray to something else if desired), all of which are already available in Windows XP and Vista in "Themes" (not a great Windows feature, but I'm sure Apple can do a much better job in implementing such a tool within OS X 10.5).
I don't understand the reasoning. Someone suggested that Jobs wants every Mac to look and feel the same: crisp, clean, and pretty. I suppose this gives a uniform feel to the OS so everyone gets the right Mac experience. While that is great, the controlling aspect seems a bit much, and I've always believed Apple wants people to "Think Different", so why not allow graphical customization for every user? That way, if someone doesn't like the Menu Bar transparency, they can alter it, and everyone's happy. It'd surely appeal to more people and sell more Macs, as a lot of people can be stubborn and have their likes and dislikes. Simple right.
No argument there. A little over the top ( UI god?) but the gist is IMHO spot on.
You're right. We should just stick to a solid beige color with no effects and very limited attractiveness. We can call it Linux.
If anything they need to work on the UI more. It looks pretty much the same since 10.2.
I'm a very recent switcher. When I first started using OS X couple of months ago, I was amazed by its simplicity, while giving amazing functionality and productivity. But one thing I didn't understand was, with so much focus on UI, why was there such rigidity when it came to personalizing it (mainly colors, I really hate the grey theme). We shouldn't have to depend on 3rd-party apps for that, and I was really hoping Leopard would change that. I know it's a very minor issue for most people, but it still surprises me.
You can definitely use a rotated monitor under OS X, I've personally done it with a Dell Monitor.
With regards to the hibernate feature, Windows XP doesn't generally hibernate successfully time after time, so its not that useful, especially given that the OS loads in about 30 seconds anyway.
On the phishing filter though SiliconAddict is right.
Yah, looks pretty much the same. Just a new features I won't be doing cartwheels over...
I see folders in your thumbnail. I assume they are still spring-loaded in leopard?
10.5.0 versus 10.5.1
I am sort-of a mac noobie, but I was wondering how long it would take apple to come out with 10.5.1. If I buy Leopard when it comes out, will 10.5.1 be a simple software update or will I miss out on it entirely unless I buy the new version?
I am sort-of a mac noobie, but I was wondering how long it would take apple to come out with 10.5.1. If I buy Leopard when it comes out, will 10.5.1 be a simple software update or will I miss out on it entirely unless I buy the new version?
I agree about the reflections bit -- I mean (IMO) isn't the dock supposed to be an application and data ACCESS tool? Not an art deco space taker-upper.
Yes, I love using the Dock, use it all the time -- along with DragThing.
But, I have my Dock sized relatively small, to take away LESS screen space.
Now it looks like Leopard Dock intentionally steals more screen space for no useful purpose. (Just another case where some artsy person/committee has decided that lots of eye-candy flash is better for me than having more useable workspace...)
So I too hope there is a way to turn off the reflection table surface bit.
Now the stacks feature of the new dock looks useful.
Imogen Heap
I'm not sure if anyone really cares about this but I opened the Quicktime video that demonstrates the new dock, and I was delightfully surprised that I recognized the background music as my favorite artist ever, Imogen Heap, the song was Goodnight and Go, its a really great song, even better when she is singing it but its great even when its just her melody. You all should give her a listen if you havn't, here it is if you are interested. iTunes Store Link
I'm not sure if anyone really cares about this but I opened the Quicktime video that demonstrates the new dock, and I was delightfully surprised that I recognized the background music as my favorite artist ever, Imogen Heap, the song was Goodnight and Go, its a really great song, even better when she is singing it but its great even when its just her melody. You all should give her a listen if you havn't, here it is if you are interested. iTunes Store Link
Mostly off topic, I found AppleInsider's description of NeXT Dock,
Back then, ellipsis marks are for non-running apps.
You can check this by googling screenshots of NeXTSTEP, or NeXT documentation here.
is opposite of what was the case. As the screenshot there shows, Digital Librarian is not running !
Back then, ellipsis marks are for non-running apps.
You can check this by googling screenshots of NeXTSTEP, or NeXT documentation here.
Since you asked, it truly doesn't matter. I don't know the people personally but it's always nice to meet a new Mac user or read about people excited about their new Mac purchase but since you asked, it really doesn't matter. Many of the people that are so-called switching aren't really switching at all. Many of them are buying the Macintosh and calling it Apple hardware only (dismissing the fact that it's really a Macintosh system) and installing Windows to run as a PC machine only. This switching thing doesn't matter, you are only a TRUE switcher to the Mac platform if you do it without the need to run Windows. I switched after Windows 98 and never used Windows anymore.
I don't understand the reasoning. Someone suggested that Jobs wants every Mac to look and feel the same: crisp, clean, and pretty. I suppose this gives a uniform feel to the OS so everyone gets the right Mac experience. While that is great, the controlling aspect seems a bit much, and I've always believed Apple wants people to "Think Different", so why not allow graphical customization for every user? That way, if someone doesn't like the Menu Bar transparency, they can alter it, and everyone's happy. It'd surely appeal to more people and sell more Macs, as a lot of people can be stubborn and have their likes and dislikes. Simple right.
I think the keyword there is "control" given I've heard numerous times that Steve Jobs is a bit of a control freak, so-to-speak. I just don't think he should decide exactly how my Mac's desktop looks. He can pick the default, but I should be free to modify things from there. With iPhone, it gets even more problematic since you can't add more apps yourself without jailbreaking the phone.
Macs have a reputation for being for creative people...well... creative people tend to NOT be robots and want their computer to look like everyone else's so it bugs me that Macs are by FAR the LEAST friendly to theming. Be creative, but not on your computer desktop? Honestly, it smacks more of coming across like Apple thinks we're too stupid to figure out how to modify settings so they just decided to not give them so we can't screw it up or something. How about a nice big red RESET TO DEFAULTS switch then?
Have you actually looked at Linux options? It's true there are some terrible themes and window managers for Linux, but there's also some pretty snazzy ones that make Macs look a little yesterday. Take a look at XGL/Beryl and tell me how limited Linux's attractiveness is. You can get Aqua themes for Linux, but trying to get some of the themes made for Linux onto a Mac is a bit more problematic.
I really think on some level Steve Jobs thinks he knows what's best for all Mac users and so our desktops should look like HIS desktop. Given the Mac is a sort of anti-clone, I find it a little ironic that it's the Mac that has the "clone look" to it.
On the other hand, I never liked Macs at all until OSX came out (I was an Amiga guy in the late '80s through the '90s and finally begrudgingly got a PC where ironically, I stopped looking at the GUI/OS and got back to looking at SOFTWARE like I did on the C64. True, I hate Windows for a lot of reasons, but the fact it is so boring means I just get on with what I'm actually doing. When I load up Linux, I just want to start customizing the heck out of it, which is fun, but my productivity drops to nothing. So I guess from that standpoint, more theming on the Mac would mean more wasting time playing with the OS itself instead of applications for it. Even so, asking for a switch to turn off reflections or translucency isn't asking for much, IMO.
Yuck!
Thanks for the picture. Yuck! That looks absolutely horrible. There's no way I'm gonna set the dock to the left or right anymore in Leopard - it just looks completely wrong!
Thanks for the picture. Yuck! That looks absolutely horrible. There's no way I'm gonna set the dock to the left or right anymore in Leopard - it just looks completely wrong!
Using Linux because it has more customizable themes isn't good reason enough to go that direction. This is one time where you can actually say that Macs have more software. Linux is not a viable solution for someone that needs to move on from Windows, the Macintosh is. People that are used to using the "popular" software won't find it in Linux and using the emulation ideas such as Wine is great but you have to do it for so many apps. Linux is fine for a second computer to Windows but not instead of the Macintosh.