Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), iLife '07, and iWork '07 in March?

[steve_hill4]

One of the "hidden" reasons why I'm eager to see Leopard is that this will be the first full release for the Intel platform. Asside from the features that have been previewed, I'm looking to see some nice performance gains from optimization for the Intel-based systems Apple have released.

Yes, the first OSX that was built for Intel from the ground up. I hope to see some awesome speed gains and features and unless I see the final version and think "that's not much different from the developer, looks same as tiger and no extra killer features", Leopard will probably be installed within the first week of release.

What will be real interesting is how fast Apple will roll on to 10.6 (hope they call it Liger ). MicroSoft have announced they have started work on "Vienna" - the replacement for Vista - and are targeting release for 2009

http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20070209/tc_infoworld/85937

Is that the sound of photocopiers I hear????

Liger again? Since they haven't trademarked it yet, (unless I missed that), but they have done so with the names Lynx and Cougar, so we are more likely going to see those first. And those photocopiers, I hear them in overdrive in Redmond, but wait, what's that I hear? Photocopiers in Cupertino? Must be copying more features from Microsoft and Linux for 10.6 to blow us away with as brand new concepts.

 

[pake]

is going to be lynx

I don't know where but I think I saw Steve mentioning the name for 10.6 It was lynx, another great cat.

I really believe that Leopard will be released in june (WWDC), where apple can preview the new features. I don't know about ilife, but I'll be expecting it a little sooner, perhaps.

 

[Peace]

I don't know where but I think I saw Steve mentioning the name for 10.6 It was lynx, another great cat.

I really believe that Leopard will be released in june (WWDC), where apple can preview the new features. I don't know about ilife, but I'll be expecting it a little sooner, perhaps.

I may be wrong but to my knowledge OS X GM has never been released at any WWDC.They have been previewed with developers getting early copies to make sure their apps run on the next version.This is what happened in 2006,2005,2004 and 2003.Leopard was shown ( with secret parts missing ) to the development community last year and promised by "Spring" 2007.Unless Apple is really behind on development Leopard will be out before WWDC2007.

 

[BBC B 32k]

os name

as i recall 10.6 is to be named Kodkod. not sure where i heard this poss. whilst having lunch with Steve.

10.7 is to be Lynx - Spanish Lynx to be exact in an effort to be inclusive of the USA's mixed population.

 

[MacsRgr8]

I don't know where but I think I saw Steve mentioning the name for 10.6 It was lynx, another great cat.

Nice to know that the "king" has not yet been used.... Lion

 

[Mgkwho]

If TS is right, AppleTV won't ship until March. But if Gizmodo is right, AppleTV ships on February 27th.

I hope the beatles thing comes out in February, otherwise March is going to be jam-packed.

-=|Mgkwho

 

[GregA]

I think it's a little unrealistic to expect a new UI, no matter when the release date. It'd be a pretty amazing feat to release the iPhone and a new version of OSX with a completely revamped UI within a 6 month time frame.

Apple's a big company, there are many teams. And it's 2 (or more?) years of working on a revamped UI (edit: IF they have one) and 3 years of working on an iPhone. Just because they are releasing at similar times doesn't make it harder... in fact, the iPhone may link to Leopard features like resolution independence (and maybe dashcode?), or top secret features (groupware iCal?)

 

[Quillz]

ThinkSecret reports that Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) development is "wrapping up faster than many at Apple even anticipated" and that the newest version of Mac OS X could be expected as soon as the end of March.

The rumor site also expects that Apple will launch the new versions of iLife '07 and iWork '07 alongside Leopard. They claim that both iLife and iWork were delayed due to the addition of some Leopard-specific features to the productivity suites.

Apple last stated that Leopard would still ship in spring and implied that the iLife suite would be updated soon.

Hmm... While I would love to see Leopard released in March, keep in mind that spring begins in March, and lasts until June, so it's quite possible it may not be released until WWDC '07.

 

[phillipjfry]

Is it even remotely possible that they want to keep these "top secret features" top secret that they would not allow even developers to see them? Maybe they are seeding the parts of leopard they want developers to test and leaving everything else to Apple specific developers? Just tryin to be optimistic about this March release date.

 

[Telp]

Is it even remotely possible that they want to keep these "top secret features" top secret that they would not allow even developers to see them? Maybe they are seeding the parts of leopard they want developers to test and leaving everything else to Apple specific developers? Just tryin to be optimistic about this March release date.

haha nice name....futurama? and yes i believe it is possible, but dont get your hopes up, but dont let them sag too low

 

[4np]

One of them is assuredly ZFS -- I suppose I can talk about this since it has been so thoroughly leaked -- but that doesn't work at all right now either. The hooks are obviously there, you can attempt to format a volume as ZFS, but after scores of attempts I have never managed to create a working ZFS volume. In the current seed it doesn't even try, it just errors out immediately.

Is time machine already working in the latest seed? Because the speculation is that time machine will just be a front-end to ZFS... So I guess that if ZFS is not working yet, time machine will probably also not be working.

Can it be that the seeds are stripped from the top secret elements? Which is the reason that some elements do not yet work (and will never work in the seeds)?

 

[4np]

Unless there is some "top-secret enabled" version of Leopard which has never been seeded to the developers which is far more reliable, I can't see this OS being released next month.

That's exactly what I think there is I think you don't get to see the top secret features in the development seeds. Apple of course knows that these feature will not be top secret anymore if they do that

So as I wrote above, I think that some things that are not stable or do not work properly are not going to be fixed because they are already fully functional in the leopard + secret features releases

 

[Telp]

That's exactly what I think there is I think you don't get to see the top secret features in the development seeds. Apple of course knows that these feature will not be top secret anymore if they do that

So as I wrote above, I think that some things that are not stable or do not work properly are not going to be fixed because they are already fully functional in the leopard + secret features releases

it makes sence. Im routing for that theory

 

[fastlane1588]

ok so all of this talk about leopard is starting to excite me. I got my mbp the day they changed to the c2d chips so I could run leopard in full 64bit mode. having some free time tonight I was messing around on the apple sight drooling over all of the stuff I cant have I noticed that the iphone interface is all black. when you make a call it comes up with the black box w/ functions like speaker, add numbers, keypad etc. I was wondering if maybe this was somthing that may end up in leopard. I know how apple likes to have all of their products some what the same (ie, screens match the mbps and mac pros) and I know that one of the features in the iphone was waiting on leopard. so what if the black interface on the iphone is going to be the same as on leopard? Just a thought.

 

[EagerDragon]

Sorry you misunderstand how operating systems work (don't take this the wrong way but your post is nonsensical)... you should read up on how virtual memory is used in modern operating systems.

Anyway... Leopard is a true 64 bit operating system... which means it supports running application with 64 bit address spaces (again virtual address space).

I'm I out of contact with what 64 bits means?
Yes it does means that it is able to address 64 bit addresses, but it was also my understanding that 64 bit chips also have registers that are 64 bit wide, and instructions that can work on 64 bits at a time. For example intead of performing mutliple 8 bit operations or 4 16 operations or 2 32 bits operations, it instead executes 1 single intruction able to operate on all 64 bits in that clock cycle.

Has this change and now all they do is perform on large address spaces?

If that is the case, it's not worth as much.

 

[maxrobertson]

I want to love vista, simply for it's looks. But I'm gonna have to give it time for the bugs to be worked out, just like Leopard.

You know, the only part of Vista that I think looks good is the window title bar blurred glass effect. Everything else is just... unrefined.

 

[Plumbstone]

Time machine is a waste of space?

I am in two minds about Leopard.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't time machine need its own partition to run? Kind of greedy don't you think?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am reasonably together, I back up pretty regulaly and keep pretty good track of what goes on on my computer. When I delete something I want it gone, not copied onto some space hungry partition with everycopy of every document I've ever created...

Spaces however, that's a different story....

Oh and I have 100% confirmation that 10.6 is simply ging to be called "*****"

 

[gusapple]

Too optimistic

Wow, I have been too optimistic for too long. To think that Leopard could come out at MacWorld made me feel like an idiot. Then I thought that it would come out on February 20., and now late March? I'm just a dreamer I guess.

 

[Telp]

Wow, I have been too optimistic for too long. To think that Leopard could come out at MacWorld made me feel like an idiot. Then I thought that it would come out on February 20., and now late March? I'm just a dreamer I guess.

yeah well with all the rumors going around, its only natural

 

[sachamun]

ok so all of this talk about leopard is starting to excite me. I got my mbp the day they changed to the c2d chips so I could run leopard in full 64bit mode. having some free time tonight I was messing around on the apple sight drooling over all of the stuff I cant have I noticed that the iphone interface is all black. when you make a call it comes up with the black box w/ functions like speaker, add numbers, keypad etc. I was wondering if maybe this was somthing that may end up in leopard. I know how apple likes to have all of their products some what the same (ie, screens match the mbps and mac pros) and I know that one of the features in the iphone was waiting on leopard. so what if the black interface on the iphone is going to be the same as on leopard? Just a thought.

Well yeah - there's quicklook. I can't imagine everything being black but I'm sure whatever they do they'll make it more than work. I'm really hoping for a more customizable GUI, but I think the reason Apple doesn't do that is because they want it to be distinguished and recognizable, which the current UI certainly is. I really like the blurred glass in Vista too, but I'd have to see exactly how it feels to use...for some reason it looks a bit weird having the window semi-transparent but it's content solid.

 

[akac]

why would they release dev seeds at all if there were huge chunks of code "hidden" from testers. From what I hear, there isn't much new there to test...

Because they aren't developer focused chunks. Why would a dev NEED to know about a new Finder (not saying there is one, but an example). All the things Steve has talked about are dev facing technologies. Time Machine, Spaces, and so on are things that devs can take advantage of with APIs.

Finder - no. New UI - arguable. And so on. Many things could be vastly new or improved apps - things that devs simply don't need to know.

 

[phillipjfry]

Because they aren't developer focused chunks. Why would a dev NEED to know about a new Finder (not saying there is one, but an example). All the things Steve has talked about are dev facing technologies. Time Machine, Spaces, and so on are things that devs can take advantage of with APIs.

Finder - no. New UI - arguable. And so on. Many things could be vastly new or improved apps - things that devs simply don't need to know.

I still stand by my theory that Apple gives public developers (NDA or not) the chunks of Leopard they want them to see, and not the whole Leopard code. Who knows? Maybe one of the public developers might photocopy some stuff and ship it off to Redmond.

 

[sexyfoolxx]

i can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet, but looprumors brought it to my attention a month (or two?) ago...that on march 24th (officially spring) will mark the 6th year anniversary of OS X, and also resides on a saturday (like when 10.0 was released) makes perfect sense to me.

 

[kimnkk]

What happened to the rumour that iLife 07 was coming out this 20th Feb?

So is it safe for me to order my Macbook, or should i wait till 20th Feb to see whats up? Unfortunately, i won't be able to wait much longer than that.

Thanks

 

[mattydodgy]

Damn...

I sure hope Apple supplies a cheap upgrade to Leopard and iLife 07'