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think for example byte-order in an architecture little-endian of big-endian) had already been done by NeXT in 1993-1994. Something Microsoft was apparantly never able to do. The HP PA-RISC architecture even came with a switch to turn the hardware from big-endian to little-endian just so that Windows NT and offspring would run on it.

That's odd, because Windows NT shipped and was fully supported on PowerPC hardware, and only rumours of PA-RISC exist.
 
That's odd, because Windows NT shipped and was fully supported on PowerPC hardware, and only rumours of PA-RISC exist.
It also supposedly worked on MIPS. Microsoft didn't really support anything other than Intel, though, so eventually they dropped the non-Intel distributions.
 
I'm not under an Apple NDA! My source is under Apple NDA!
Believe me, I know as a betatester, how NDA's work. Not one NDA is the same, they are all different.
I'm under other NDA's from other companys. Which I'm not going to tell you guys about. That would be stupid! It's the same like shooting in my own foot. It's hard enough working under different aliases and not loosing my work as a tester! Just for keeping you guys informed how things work.
Maybe it's better I'm just keeping my mouth in the future!

Sorry, I read your post wrong. Oops!
 
Seriously though, I gotta laugh at the "why isn't it here yet?" questions. Apple said "spring." So it's been spring for, umm what, two days now?

Nobody's asking "why isn't it here yet?" People are wondering why it hasn't been demonstrated in public yet and why the so-called top secret features haven't been revealed. The whole point of keeping these features secret was (supposedly) to stop MS from copying them in time for Vista's release. Well, we're past Vista's release and spring has sprung, and the top secret features are still top secret. Apple has a long history of showing off the new features in its upcoming OS releases and it's reasonable for people to wonder why that hasn't happened yet.
 
Nobody's asking "why isn't it here yet?" People are wondering why it hasn't been demonstrated in public yet and why the so-called top secret features haven't been revealed. The whole point of keeping these features secret was (supposedly) to stop MS from copying them in time for Vista's release. Well, we're past Vista's release and spring has sprung, and the top secret features are still top secret. Apple has a long history of showing off the new features in its upcoming OS releases and it's reasonable for people to wonder why that hasn't happened yet.

HEAR-HEAR :p
 
Nobody's asking "why isn't it here yet?" People are wondering why it hasn't been demonstrated in public yet and why the so-called top secret features haven't been revealed. The whole point of keeping these features secret was (supposedly) to stop MS from copying them in time for Vista's release. Well, we're past Vista's release and spring has sprung, and the top secret features are still top secret. Apple has a long history of showing off the new features in its upcoming OS releases and it's reasonable for people to wonder why that hasn't happened yet.

They never were keeping the features from us because of Microsoft... it's all about the American (and world) attention span. If Apple announced the greatest features back in WWDC 2006, then everyone would have forgotten about it by now - it wouldn't have seemed anywhere near as exciting.
 

what?!?! I'm shocked that MR is refusing to acknowledge this years premiere rumor site, DigiTimes. Weren't they the 1st to report about the LED backlit Mac screens for the laptops? Now with Apple Insider once again reporting that DigiTimes claims for Leopard being delayed until OCTOBER, lol; how long with it be before other rumor sites pickup on this story with 'anonymous' sources of their own?

Delayed for compatibility with Vista, oh sure, that's completely logical, the MacOS success is so dependent on Vista, that it cannot be released until that functionality is perfect. Oh no, we don't need no stinking new OS promised for the Spring, Vista compatibilty couldn't possibly wait for a 10.5.x update, now could it? ;).

10.5 will be announced (but not necessarily shipped) shortly before WWDC, or shortly thereafter, and like prior OS releases, those who bought hardward or prior OS's shortly before the release, will get a reduced price upgrade option.














btw, Stella beer is for sissies, real women/men drink Anchorsteam Celebration/Christmas Ale, and set aside some of this vintage ale for aging...and that velvety smooth perfection that results from long-term cool storage aging (unlike Mac's which don't improve with age ;) ).
 
btw, Stella beer is for sissies, real women/men drink Anchorsteam Celebration/Christmas Ale, and set aside some of this vintage ale for aging...and that velvety smooth perfection that results from long-term cool storage aging (unlike Mac's which don't improve with age ;) ).
Lol :) Stella is a Belgium beer. And Belgium beer is the best, I know because I live in Belgium. Maybe Stella is not THE best beer but it's a good one.
Try this one www.duvel.be if you have a chance drinking it :)
BTW: The best beer from the world is also a Belgian one. It's called "West Vleteren" and is made by catholic monks in the abbay of Saint Sixtus.
http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/index2.html
 
Lol :) Stella is a Belgium beer. And Belgium beer is the best, I know because I live in Belgium. Maybe Stella is not THE best beer but it's a good one.
Try this one www.duvel.be if you have a chance drinking it :)
BTW: The best beer from the world is also a Belgian one. It's called "West Vleteren" and is made by catholic monks in the abbay of Saint Sixtus.
http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/index2.html

Now you're speaking my language! BEER!
 
If what digitimes is true about it being delayed till october because of vista i think that is a waste of time it would ruin mac's basically if you look at the requirements to install vista you need alot more then you would possibly need for lepord it would basically shadow leapord and take the stuff you need for a mac they should just keep boot camp with Xp on and not Vista and really i dont know why people even use boot camp if you want a PC OS then get a PC not a Mac i think thats just a waste
 
There is no way Apple would hold their OS back to include Vista support. Just no way that is happening.
 
Steve is a man with a vision. When Apple released the first iPod it was just a MP3 player. Nobody had ever thought about the big picture and why the iPod was invented. The same can happen with the :apple: TV.

I hope so. I suppose a little bit of my unconscious resentment may have been towards Apple's marketing strategy. Apple seems to play :apple:TV up as though it is the answer to wireless entertainment, when the truth is it's simply a way for Apple to sell more movies on iTunes. While I am optimistic that internet content will transform and advance home entertainment, I do not agree with Apple using that an as excuse to simply push sub-DVD quality movies at in store DVD prices.

Bottom line, I'm a HUGE Mac fanatic. Hell, I'll arm wrestle any PC/Windows user any day . However, Apple's shameful ploy in selling :apple:TV's as the next iPod for home video entertainment is shameless, as it really is an Apple marketing device to sell more iTunes content.

But enough about :apple:TV, I want LEOPARD lol. Does any one know if Tiger is 64-bit? I always wondered that as an owner of a Mac Pro 2.66, as Vista x64 is working flawlessly (don't hate, I need it for AutoCAD lol), always wondered if Tiger was using the x64 of the Intel processor.

Also, I "heard" that one of Leopard's "Top Secret" features may be the ability to run Windows programs natively without an emulator or compiler (something about WINE?). Any truth to that possibility? If so, I would LOVE to wipe my Windows Vista drive clean and never think about it again.

Another rumor is iChat to iPhone video conferencing. As my friend put it, "very Dick Tracy" lol. As the developer releases of Leopard have iChat with an answering machine option for a video and/or audio recorded away message, that would make sense. Maybe Jobs is thinking about turning the Mac into the home EVERYTHING: Phone system, (wireless) Entertainment system, work productivity with new Microsoft Office 2007, etc. Apple, Inc. indeed.

Oh, and a new finder, PLEASE, and a new GUI, Aqua is great but I'd like the ability to customize my Mac's colors and such. Not a big deal, but would be nice.
 
There is no way Apple would hold their OS back to include Vista support. Just no way that is happening.

I don't knooooowwww :p maybe... as my above post mentioned, maybe not Vista but maybe Apple is polishing a way to support Windows programs NATIVELY in Leopard for Intel processor owners.
 
When apple first announced leopard the target release was fall of 2006. At WWDC in 2006 they changed that to spring 2007 and tried to pretend they never said fall of 2006.
 
When apple first announced leopard the target release was fall of 2006. At WWDC in 2006 they changed that to spring 2007 and tried to pretend they never said fall of 2006.

This is true, but we must remember that we transitioned to Intel, so Tiger on Intel was like a brain transplant and took a while to do, further delaying Leopard.

We also must compare OSX to those Windows guys (Apple does it all the time)

Windows Xp: 2001----->Windows Vista: 2007

Mac OS 10.1: 2001->10.2: 2002:->10.3 2003->10.4:2005->10.4 on Intel: 2006->10.5 Leopard, Spring 07?
 
This is true, but we must remember that we transitioned to Intel, so Tiger on Intel was like a brain transplant and took a while to do, further delaying Leopard.

We also must compare OSX to those Windows guys (Apple does it all the time)

Windows Xp: 2001----->Windows Vista: 2007

Mac OS 10.1: 2001->10.2: 2002:->10.3 2003->10.4:2005->10.4 on Intel: 2006->10.5 Leopard, Spring 07?

Perhaps you forget that apple has had a x86 compatible version of OSX for many years now. When they announced the switch to intel they already had a x86 version of 10.3. So for them it was just business as usual.
 
Perhaps you forget that apple has had a x86 compatible version of OSX for many years now. When they announced the switch to intel they already had a x86 version of 10.3. So for them it was just business as usual.

That depends... Apple's internal version of the x86 version may have been somewhat unstable, may have been incomplete... it could indeed have been a lot of work.
 
Perhaps you forget that apple has had a x86 compatible version of OSX for many years now. When they announced the switch to intel they already had a x86 version of 10.3. So for them it was just business as usual.

Following your logic my copy of Linux RedHat ver. 1.0 from 1995 should work flawlessly on my 2007 computer because if I was using a Intel processor back in '95 and I'm using one today in '07 that's all it takes. It shouldn't matter if AGP or PCI-x-press video cards even existed in 1995 -- that OS from '95 should just simply work -- because an OS that works with Intel will always work on an Intel machine just fine and dandy. :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that in the real world. Technology progresses, and new devices come to the market -- for example: new cpus come out that make use of new sets of instructions, therefore those changes will require updates to the OS (any OS) before those new features can be used or accessed.
 
Following your logic my copy of Linux RedHat ver. 1.0 from 1995 should work flawlessly on my 2007 computer because if I was using a Intel processor back in '95 and I'm using one today in '07 that's all it takes. It shouldn't matter if AGP or PCI-x-press video cards even existed in 1995 -- that OS from '95 should just simply work -- because an OS that works with Intel will always work on an Intel machine just fine and dandy. :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that in the real world. Technology progresses, and new devices come to the market -- for example: new cpus come out that make use of new sets of instructions, therefore those changes will require updates to the OS (any OS) before those new features can be used or accessed.

I believe Apple made with every PPC-version from OS X, since 10.0, also a x86 version. A just in case scenario. And when they switched to Intel everything was already done. Remember Steve was working with a x86 version from OS X and nobody noticed it. That was fun ;) And it was on a Keynote, so the first x86 version from OS X in public was VERY stable! Why? Because they had it for years, since the beginning from OS X! It was just a VERY big secret :D (Which is cool :cool: )
 
I could reveal you the "secret feature" that leopard comes with: Switch back on PPC :D



Hi all i'm new and this is my first post :p

Welcome!
And that would also be very cool :cool: :D
I love the PPC architecture and I would love to try a Intel Mac. But it sure would be great to have a choice.
 
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