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Mac OS X 10.6.2 Build 10C531 Seeded to Developers

Kernel panics still happen with 10C531...

I hope that this is not the "final" release because I can tell ya, with 10.6.2 10C531 installed clean and fresh + Mac Pro 4,1 2.26x8 + GTX 285 the kernel panics do still happen after a few minutes of Second Life. The issue reminds me of the freezes and crashes that were happening until Leopard Graphics Update 1.0 made the 8600M GT stable, finally, after those machines had been out for 7 months. Of course in those machines' instances, many of them contained defective 8600M GTs, which was NOT Apple's fault.

The GOOD news is that 10.6.2 resolves the issue where in Second Life, anti-aliasing was not working unless render glow was turned off. So they are obviously making progress, which is definitely a good sign. Considering the insane degree of complexity that characterizes what these modern graphics cards are actually doing, it's an amazing feat of engineering that they even function at all... I am certainly not criticizing Apple.

But I do think that Apple should start eventually coming around to the fact: "Gaming" is an anachronism. "Game" engines are now "virtual reality" engines, effectively; the 3D internet is nigh. Hollywood is going full bore 3D. I want to see Apple on the forefront of the 3D revolution.

In short, I want to see a 3D tablet that does not require eye glasses.

-=DG=-
 
darkgoob said:
In short, I want to see a 3D tablet that does not require eye glasses.

-=DG=-
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Not currently possible.

The ones that dont need glasses needed 2 screens carefully placed. Single screen solutions became fuzzy outside your cemtral point.

I still think research that is being done by the likes of leadtek is money better spent.
 
Well it sucks for Mac Pro but it least release it for iMac if its all good. I got a late 2006 iMac with iSight and the OpenCL crash is a bitch while playing a game plus the internet drops I have sometimes no pun intended. Plus isn't Firefox 3.5.4 also getting a release today? So if 10.6.2 drops today at the same time as firefox update would be interesting for me. Even though I am on 10.6.1 I have not downloaded any 3rd apps because I noticed there are some issues with them thats another reason I want this update sooner.
 
Patience is a virtue… I for one would rather wait for Apple to QA the update than rush a release. Then again, I'm having virtually no issues with 10.6.1.
 
TheSpaz said:
You seem way too angry about it. Calm down.
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Got a reason not to be angry? OS X 10.6.2 looks like it is going to fix a ton of the issues we're having to put up with. I want it now so Snow Leopard won't piss me off every time I flick through videos in Cover Flow, do a 4 finger swipe to get Expose etc...
 
Kilamite said:
Got a reason not to be angry? OS X 10.6.2 looks like it is going to fix a ton of the issues we're having to put up with. I want it now so Snow Leopard won't piss me off every time I flick through videos in Cover Flow, do a 4 finger swipe to get Expose etc...
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Works fine for me.
 
TheSpaz said:
Works fine for me.
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The 4 finger swipe is a known issue. Cover Flow issues are affecting lots of people. As are other bugs and annoyances.

Maybe you should read all the problems people are having? It's great you don't have any, but majority of us are. That's why we're awaiting 10.6.2, as we hope it'll fix a lot of stuff..
 
Kilamite said:
The 4 finger swipe is a known issue. Cover Flow issues are affecting lots of people. As are other bugs and annoyances.

Maybe you should read all the problems people are having? It's great you don't have any, but majority of us are. That's why we're awaiting 10.6.2, as we hope it'll fix a lot of stuff..
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I quite accept that, but I would rather continue with known bugs, and let Apple continue testing than for them to create more bugs that could be worse. I personally don't want Apple to go down the MS route!
 
cjmillsnun said:
I quite accept that, but I would rather continue with known bugs, and let Apple continue testing than for them to create more bugs that could be worse. I personally don't want Apple to go down the MS route!
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10.6.2 has most likely been in production since Snow Leopard hit Gold Master. We've not had any more seeds, and the latest seed had no known issues. It is ready for whenever Apple hits the button.
 
Kilamite said:
10.6.2 has most likely been in production since Snow Leopard hit Gold Master. We've not had any more seeds, and the latest seed had no known issues. It is ready for whenever Apple hits the button.
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When you say "We've" are you developer? Or You are just talking about the article?
 
TsMkLg068426 said:
When you say "We've" are you developer? Or You are just talking about the article?
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Talking about the article and the fact that theres not been any more seeds (other websites list each seed).

cjmillsnun said:
Funnily enough, I was thinking the same thing.

If it had been in production since GM, why wasn't it released instead of 10.6.1?

Are you a dev Kilamite?
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I'm not a dev - 10.6.1 wasn't really a full patch, was a quick release address to some issues. 10.6.2 is the first full on patch with over 150 fixes. It wasn't released as 10.6.1 because Apple obviously was still working on other things.

Apple is notorious for bad releases.. Leopard was the same shambles. 10.5.0 was pretty unstable, 10.5.1 ended up breaking AirPort etc.
 
Kilamite said:
Talking about the article and the fact that theres not been any more seeds (other websites list each seed).



I'm not a dev - 10.6.1 wasn't really a full patch, was a quick release address to some issues. 10.6.2 is the first full on patch with over 150 fixes. It wasn't released as 10.6.1 because Apple obviously was still working on other things.

Apple is notorious for bad releases.. Leopard was the same shambles. 10.5.0 was pretty unstable, 10.5.1 ended up breaking AirPort etc.
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Oh I see, but it was supposedly in production since the GM..... :rolleyes:

I am involved in software dev and have been involved in Beta testing OS' before now.

They will have started on on 10.6.1 upon release of the GM. 10.6.2 would then be next and would be started when 10.6.1 was finished.

Have you ever thought that bug fixes depend on bug reports? In all fairness because of Apple's limited Beta Testing programme compared to MS' and FLOSS OS' (driven by the mass secrecy) the first mass bug reports would come in upon commercial release.

The 150+ fixes are generally going to be identified by end users giving feedback.
 
cjmillsnun said:
Oh I see, but it was supposedly in production since the GM..... :rolleyes:

I am involved in software dev and have been involved in Beta testing OS' before now.

They will have started on on 10.6.1 upon release of the GM. 10.6.2 would then be next and would be started when 10.6.1 was finished.

Have you ever thought that bug fixes depend on bug reports? In all fairness because of Apple's limited Beta Testing programme compared to MS' and FLOSS OS' (driven by the mass secrecy) the first mass bug reports would come in upon commercial release.

The 150+ fixes are generally going to be identified by end users giving feedback.
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You think they stop testing an OS as soon as it hits GM? Once the discs were in their boxes, they'll have had a list of bugs to work through. Of course, user feedback does help them identify bugs..

10.6.1 was released little after a week of the OS's release. There wasn't really much fixed - apart from updating the Flash version to the more secure release. 10.6.2 has 150+ fixes, and Apple will have probably been working on those fixes since SL hit GM.. 10.6.1 wasn't anything big.

10.5.1 carried a fair amount of fixes (while breaking other things).
 
I don't know - I'm pretty disappointed with SL. I skipped Leopard, because I was very happy with Tiger 10.4.11 and Leopard was a disaster upon release - probably the worst OS X one after Cheetah. But SL is turning out to be not so hot either - I mean, I applauded Apple for saying "no new features in SL we'll just tighten up and modernize and cocoaize Leopard". And they took their sweet time too. I expected SL to just fly with barely any bugs. Instead, there are widespread reports of SL being so much draggier and crashier than Leopard. What in the world is going on? Is Apple giving up on computers and OS X and are they now a wholly owned subsidiary of iPhone Corp.? Do you feel that SL is pretty bad for what we had a right to expect... I mean, I hate to say it, but it's looking like Win 7 has fewer problems... at least it doesn't wipe out user's data like SL managed to do. Holy moly... depressing...
 
OldCorpse said:
I don't know - I'm pretty disappointed with SL. I skipped Leopard, because I was very happy with Tiger 10.4.11 and Leopard was a disaster upon release - probably the worst OS X one after Cheetah. But SL is turning out to be not so hot either - I mean, I applauded Apple for saying "no new features in SL we'll just tighten up and modernize and cocoaize Leopard". And they took their sweet time too. I expected SL to just fly with barely any bugs. Instead, there are widespread reports of SL being so much draggier and crashier than Leopard. What in the world is going on? Is Apple giving up on computers and OS X and are they now a wholly owned subsidiary of iPhone Corp.? Do you feel that SL is pretty bad for what we had a right to expect... I mean, I hate to say it, but it's looking like Win 7 has fewer problems... at least it doesn't wipe out user's data like SL managed to do. Holy moly... depressing...
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First of all, majority of people have no issues whatsoever with Snow Leopard just like Windows 7. Both releases are excellent. No OS have ever launched without some issues, there is also no perfect OS either. Many of the reports of SL being buggier or crashier is probably something that was in leopard that was messed up by upgrading to Snow Leopard and may not be an issue if the user just do a fresh install and reinstall their apps and data. It happens to every OS release. Many people had no issues either with Leopard's release, I know I didn't and I didn't have any issues with Snow Leopard either. Both are completely perfect for me, my time machine archive has been going on for 3 years straight without any full format and reinstall. It just works.

As for the data loss bug, that's a big one that Apple missed but it only affected a small number of people and majority of those people had time machine backups.

I'm not trying to defend Apple, i am just saying neither company is better, they all had their bad days. Apple is not going down, they are going up and doing better than ever. Microsoft is ....might go up with W7 release but that'll take some time.
 
MikhailT said:
Many of the reports of SL being buggier or crashier is probably something that was in leopard that was messed up by upgrading to Snow Leopard and may not be an issue if the user just do a fresh install and reinstall their apps and data. It happens to every OS release.
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Except that brand new iMacs have serious issues with dramatic slowing down with time, as if there is some heavy duty memory leaking going on. Again, this is brand new out of the box with preinstalled 10.6.1

Look, I'd love for SL to be stable. I've been waiting for 2 years to update from 10.4.11. - but at this rate I don't know if I can trust SL. I need to run FCS early next year, starting in February, and it's on my own project and I cannot afford for it to crash or have problems. I'm biting my nails here hoping 10.6.2 solves the problems so when I buy a new iMac and put my most important project data on, it's not going to be a disaster.
 
OldCorpse said:
Except that brand new iMacs have serious issues with dramatic slowing down with time, as if there is some heavy duty memory leaking going on. Again, this is brand new out of the box with preinstalled 10.6.1

Look, I'd love for SL to be stable. I've been waiting for 2 years to update from 10.4.11. - but at this rate I don't know if I can trust SL. I need to run FCS early next year, starting in February, and it's on my own project and I cannot afford for it to crash or have problems. I'm biting my nails here hoping 10.6.2 solves the problems so when I buy a new iMac and put my most important project data on, it's not going to be a disaster.
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This is why you should be backing up :rolleyes:
 
OldCorpse said:
Except that brand new iMacs have serious issues with dramatic slowing down with time, as if there is some heavy duty memory leaking going on. Again, this is brand new out of the box with preinstalled 10.6.1

Look, I'd love for SL to be stable. I've been waiting for 2 years to update from 10.4.11. - but at this rate I don't know if I can trust SL. I need to run FCS early next year, starting in February, and it's on my own project and I cannot afford for it to crash or have problems. I'm biting my nails here hoping 10.6.2 solves the problems so when I buy a new iMac and put my most important project data on, it's not going to be a disaster.
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Notice i said "many", not all of the problems are the same, I know that. That wasn't the point, the point was that Snow Leopard isn't a disaster that few members here in this forum are making it out to be. It was a successful release despite some issues.

If you want the most stable OS X, then install 10.5.8 on it and don't upgrade to SL until it is at 10.6.5 at least. It's the same idea in the business world by waiting for SP1 or SP2 of the Windows OS. Update: I just realize it may not have the drivers for your new iMacs. Oh well, guess you either have to wait or return the iMacs and go PCs or something.

Purrball is right, always back up data. Time machine makes it very easy.
 
PurrBall said:
This is why you should be backing up :rolleyes:
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It's not just about data loss. It's about performance. When you're editing or doing heavy duty stuff on FCS, you can't afford to have laggy and crashy OS. I'm worried by reports of SL having worse performance across the board compared to Leopard.

MikhailT said:
Notice i said "many", not all of the problems are the same, I know that. That wasn't the point, the point was that Snow Leopard isn't a disaster that few members here in this forum are making it out to be. It was a successful release despite some issues.

If you want the most stable OS X, then install 10.5.8 on it and don't upgrade to SL until it is at 10.6.5 at least. It's the same idea in the business worldby waiting for SP1 or SP2 of the Windows OS.
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OK, at least that's more concrete 10.6.5 - man, that sound like June 2010 :(

I don't know... no new features, we all expected at least 10.6 would be rock solid, if all the were doing is optimizing code and quashing bugs. I really wonder how this release compares bug-wise to other releases. I remember Tiger had relatively few teething problems. Leopard was a dog. I don't remember the others clearly enough - I think Jaguar was pretty good right out of the gate, but can't swear to it... just don't remember clearly enough.
 
OldCorpse said:
It's not just about data loss. It's about performance. When you're editing or doing heavy duty stuff on FCS, you can't afford to have laggy and crashy OS. I'm worried by reports of SL having worse performance across the board compared to Leopard.



OK, at least that's more concrete 10.6.5 - man, that sound like June 2010 :(

I don't know... no new features, we all expected at least 10.6 would be rock solid, if all the were doing is optimizing code and quashing bugs. I really wonder how this release compares bug-wise to other releases. I remember Tiger had relatively few teething problems. Leopard was a dog. I don't remember the others clearly enough - I think Jaguar was pretty good right out of the gate, but can't swear to it... just don't remember clearly enough.
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Unfortunately, that is a major misconception prompted by Apple for calling Snow Leopard a refined Leopard. People can't change code and expect it to be bug-free, that's never going to happen. What they can do is start at the source, reduce the major risks of stuff going wrong, modernize the code, stabilize the APIs and so on.

Any time somebody change codes, there are going to be bugs regardless if the person was just trying to fix bugs or optimize.

It's the 20/80 rule, 20% is new stuff and 80% is maintenance for the new stuff. That applies to everything in life, not just software.
 
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