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Mac OS X 10.6 Called 'Snow Leopard', All Cocoa?
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No more new features please-unless they are absolutely needed.
Speed and stability.
Adding frills just to sell a new version is BLOATWARE;
MS's problem
Maybe just selling a solid, fast and stable OS is what they should strive for.
Does HOSTESS update their cupcakes every year?
Speed and stability.
Adding frills just to sell a new version is BLOATWARE;
MS's problem
Maybe just selling a solid, fast and stable OS is what they should strive for.
Does HOSTESS update their cupcakes every year?
No not really. I work on a few decently large applications that are mostly C++ based with a native Cocoa UI on the Mac and Win32/etc on Windows. It is IMHO easy to integrate C++ and Objective-C thanks to Objective-C++ even more so when using the 64b Objective-C runtime on Mac OS X 10.5 and later.
In general our native Mac UI was simpler to implement and more feature rich thanks to what Cocoa provides and how we have to limit ourselves on the Windows side to support Windows 98, etc. (in some situations). ...and I yes I spent many years working on Mac OS (with Carbon and PowerPlant).
O Rly?
Are you a limey bastard or were you just being cheeky? The word jaguar didn't originate in Britain, but in South America, and then made its way into Portuguese and Spanish (in which it's pronounced as just two syllables) before entering English (see this, for example).
OS X Kitteh
You mean the original, correct way to pronounce the word?
That's pretty outrageous of Steve to do that.
Are you a limey bastard or were you just being cheeky? The word jaguar didn't originate in Britain, but in South America, and then made its way into Portuguese and Spanish (in which it's pronounced as just two syllables) before entering English (see this, for example).
OS X Kitteh
Snow Leopard?
Seems like an apt name for a Leopard+.
Or maybe they should have named the current Leopard: Leopard Cub.
Anyway, to mention that the 10.6 version will focus on speed and reliability issues is just a statement to say, in other words: Leopard is kinda slow and unreliable.
When are companies going to stop using the public who pay for a product as beta testers on uncooked 1.0 releases? From what I have learnt through buying Leopard (still use speedy and reliable Tiger by the way) is that it will take 5-6 updates (10.5.5–10.5.6) before I will feel confident in using it with all my applications.
I wonder if there will be a back-lash/slow sales with Snow Leopard from what users have experienced with Leopard?
Seems like an apt name for a Leopard+.
Or maybe they should have named the current Leopard: Leopard Cub.
Anyway, to mention that the 10.6 version will focus on speed and reliability issues is just a statement to say, in other words: Leopard is kinda slow and unreliable.
When are companies going to stop using the public who pay for a product as beta testers on uncooked 1.0 releases? From what I have learnt through buying Leopard (still use speedy and reliable Tiger by the way) is that it will take 5-6 updates (10.5.5–10.5.6) before I will feel confident in using it with all my applications.
I wonder if there will be a back-lash/slow sales with Snow Leopard from what users have experienced with Leopard?
Frankly, does the name really matter to EXISTING consumers (Mac-owners)?
Since the rumors said the updates will focus for speed and stability, without major new features installment...i guess the next version isn't about attracting new potential Mac buyers but to strengthen the existing OS X as a foundation for future updates.
so..name doesn't matter..really
Just bring it on Apple!
Since the rumors said the updates will focus for speed and stability, without major new features installment...i guess the next version isn't about attracting new potential Mac buyers but to strengthen the existing OS X as a foundation for future updates.
so..name doesn't matter..really
Just bring it on Apple!
What do you think is causing the poor stability? Dollars to donuts its the lack of resources. Apple has some crack developers but few teams could deliver OS X on two new platforms and deliver a bug free product.
If we want a stellar performer we have to reign in the frameworks and devote more resources to optimizing for Intel hardware.
We'll know more next week but it appears that Apple has made the tough decision and next week these boards could be on fire with disgruntled Mac fans.
I just got 10.5.3
Well i just got this macbook back in February and now in less than a year later, they are already coming out with a new OS? Well this really shouldn't be a bad thing, but i will need to spend about another...$200-$300 depending on how much Steve decides to sell this baby. If all of this is true, i'm just looking forward on seeing what kind of new features this baby will have. Not to mention that iMovie 09 needs to be seriously worked on.
Well i just got this macbook back in February and now in less than a year later, they are already coming out with a new OS? Well this really shouldn't be a bad thing, but i will need to spend about another...$200-$300 depending on how much Steve decides to sell this baby. If all of this is true, i'm just looking forward on seeing what kind of new features this baby will have. Not to mention that iMovie 09 needs to be seriously worked on.
...once again, for the slow... The next version of OS X is code named Lynx. Not Snow or any other Flakey name.
in this day and age, sif not name it
10.6 lolcat: i can has OS
edit: only read first page, think i've been beaten to the punch
10.6 lolcat: i can has OS
edit: only read first page, think i've been beaten to the punch
I've read nothing but bad things and warnings about using that program which has kept me from trying it. The average user might see it as a way to get hard drive space back and run it not knowing the side effects until something quits working. I'd rather have the OS come lean and not have to use a third party app to do it for me. Although I'll reserve final judgement until after I've used it.
I just listened to the WWDC 2005 keynote and Steve said "We want to support these (PowerPC and Intel) for a long time." How long is a long time? How long does the average person keep their computer before considering an upgrade? I would think 3-5 years, which is an eternity in the tech world. If the last PowerPC was sold in 2006, by the time this would ship, would ~3 years be enough?
make sure you recycle it, or give it to someone who knows how to recycle it after theyre done using it. Or make it into a little server for yourself.I guess it really is time to start thinking about retiring the ol' G5
Like someone else already said, they also said they wouldn't use integrated GPU or drop features from iPods, etc. But even considering they're crazy enough to go x64-only (and I think they'll probably do it in a couple of years), why would they release an OS killing both Office and Photoshop at the same strike?! Wouldn't make sense if they want to expand their bases.
Well, I'd rather take this rumour with a grain of salt. Can you imagine Steve Jobs doing a presentation about their new OS "no new features, but wait, it's fast and reliable! Oh, btw, no more PPC, sorry." I can't...
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The iPhone doesn't even ****ing include carbon. Why would they care? Also, Apple doesn't care about the business market. Let me rephrase that, they will not shape themselves for the business market. They want the business market to be the ones who reshape.
Well i just got this macbook back in February and now in less than a year later, they are already coming out with a new OS? Well this really shouldn't be a bad thing, but i will need to spend about another...$200-$300 depending on how much Steve decides to sell this baby. If all of this is true, i'm just looking forward on seeing what kind of new features this baby will have. Not to mention that iMovie 09 needs to be seriously worked on.
Or pay $99 dollars for the ADC Student Membership. Even if you're not a student, I'm sure you can think up some way to get it for some part of the $100-200 you're saving.
Checkmate?
So here is what I think we are about to see at the Keynote: (Maybe i missed them, but... I'm surprised not to see any comments such as these yet in any other threads about Snow)
Me service to be OS X Only (with a yearly sub fee to use it)
Application Store for OS X (with apple getting a kick back on every app sold for OSX)
One More Thing . . .
We've ported a few of our major applications over to Windows.. and as it turns out, while people really enjoy having iTunes and now Safari to use while in Windows... what people really want is to use these great apps in OS X.
Folks are really not happy about Vista.. Folks are even more unhappy about Vista Certified machines that can't run the full Vista Experience, and the fractured and confusing experience of Ultimate, Business, Home, 64, etc.
Hell has frozen over yet again...
Introducing Snow Leopard: Generic X86 version of Leopard to become available that will run on ANY Intel powered Vista Compatible Intel Machine... $129.. Available on Machines THIS holiday season from Dell, HP, Asus, etc. Available Retail for everyone with Vista Compatible certified systems in January.
We've partnered with ALL major Intel partners to give full driver support in 10.6 Snow Leopard for all Vista Compatible systems ever sold with the MS Vista Logo Program. All of these users will have the same user experience, the same great pre-bundled applications that Mac users have grown to love... right out of the box.
Steve will bring out Michael Dell... and show that all of the demo's he showed during the keynote were done using a Dell desktop. Dell will talk about the opportunity users now have. Steve will thank Michael and then review the keynote notes.
People will be loving iPhone all over the world, now they can love OS X all over the world much faster than Apple alone currently has the ability to get out there.
With Me services and the OS X App Store the migration will be profitable, a revenue stream will be there for Apple even though they didn't sell the hardware. They will remind that iLife/iWork can be bought and will run on the 10.6 Snow Leopard just as wonderfully as they do today on 10.5.
Apple won't exit the hardware business. The Apple store is a great model the industrial design that core Apple customers love, and the industry as a whole admires. Mac Pro, iMac and MacBook/MacBook Pro line will stay. Mac Mini will go away, instead of bringing your own Keyboard, Monitor, and Mouse ... you can bring any vista compatible machine along for the ride
Bootcamp will be useable on these machines as well to help with the install and migration. Rosetta will be the only missing piece for the Snow Leopard build. No PPC applications will run on the Snow Mac. (Which isn't an issue for most folks with all major applications now being ported to Intel)
Checkmate!
I think with this move, Apple could more than double their worldwide market share in 1 year. 10.5 Leopard will stay up to day and have feature parity with 10.6 Snow Leopard (with the exception of features that require new hardware), although Snow will no longer support installs on PPC machines.
10.5 Leopard users can upgrade to 10.6 Snow on their existing hardware for $50. (for most users there will be no need for it).
Together the parallel development of 10.5 Leopard and 10.6 Snow Leopard will mark the end of Apples support for the PPC line of computers.
Thoughts?
So here is what I think we are about to see at the Keynote: (Maybe i missed them, but... I'm surprised not to see any comments such as these yet in any other threads about Snow)
Me service to be OS X Only (with a yearly sub fee to use it)
Application Store for OS X (with apple getting a kick back on every app sold for OSX)
One More Thing . . .
We've ported a few of our major applications over to Windows.. and as it turns out, while people really enjoy having iTunes and now Safari to use while in Windows... what people really want is to use these great apps in OS X.
Folks are really not happy about Vista.. Folks are even more unhappy about Vista Certified machines that can't run the full Vista Experience, and the fractured and confusing experience of Ultimate, Business, Home, 64, etc.
Hell has frozen over yet again...
Introducing Snow Leopard: Generic X86 version of Leopard to become available that will run on ANY Intel powered Vista Compatible Intel Machine... $129.. Available on Machines THIS holiday season from Dell, HP, Asus, etc. Available Retail for everyone with Vista Compatible certified systems in January.
We've partnered with ALL major Intel partners to give full driver support in 10.6 Snow Leopard for all Vista Compatible systems ever sold with the MS Vista Logo Program. All of these users will have the same user experience, the same great pre-bundled applications that Mac users have grown to love... right out of the box.
Steve will bring out Michael Dell... and show that all of the demo's he showed during the keynote were done using a Dell desktop. Dell will talk about the opportunity users now have. Steve will thank Michael and then review the keynote notes.
People will be loving iPhone all over the world, now they can love OS X all over the world much faster than Apple alone currently has the ability to get out there.
With Me services and the OS X App Store the migration will be profitable, a revenue stream will be there for Apple even though they didn't sell the hardware. They will remind that iLife/iWork can be bought and will run on the 10.6 Snow Leopard just as wonderfully as they do today on 10.5.
Apple won't exit the hardware business. The Apple store is a great model the industrial design that core Apple customers love, and the industry as a whole admires. Mac Pro, iMac and MacBook/MacBook Pro line will stay. Mac Mini will go away, instead of bringing your own Keyboard, Monitor, and Mouse ... you can bring any vista compatible machine along for the ride
Bootcamp will be useable on these machines as well to help with the install and migration. Rosetta will be the only missing piece for the Snow Leopard build. No PPC applications will run on the Snow Mac. (Which isn't an issue for most folks with all major applications now being ported to Intel)
Checkmate!
I think with this move, Apple could more than double their worldwide market share in 1 year. 10.5 Leopard will stay up to day and have feature parity with 10.6 Snow Leopard (with the exception of features that require new hardware), although Snow will no longer support installs on PPC machines.
10.5 Leopard users can upgrade to 10.6 Snow on their existing hardware for $50. (for most users there will be no need for it).
Together the parallel development of 10.5 Leopard and 10.6 Snow Leopard will mark the end of Apples support for the PPC line of computers.
Thoughts?
Well, I'd rather take this rumour with a grain of salt. Can you imagine Steve Jobs doing a presentation about their new OS "no new features, but wait, it's fast and reliable! Oh, btw, no more PPC, sorry." I can't...
This is my thoughts exactly, I just can't get past it. A lot of people still use PPC and I don't see him cutting them all off. And I would think that they would include at least one or two new features, just to make it more attractive to someone who will be shelling out $130.
Hmm, crazy thought - maybe like with any purchase, the consumer should research before buying, read reviews, blogs etc., read other users' experiences, get compatibility issue information, and never ever buy the first version of any product.
Nah, who am I kidding?
I really don't believe Apple would ever do that. Their business strategy relies a great deal on hardware sales, and having the OS on any cheap PC would cannibalize Apple hardware.
I thought so, too, when I first started ObjC (coming from a C background), but you will find it beautiful pretty soon. The code is practically self-documenting and that makes it very easy to read other people's code and your own old code.
You're gonna learn to love square brackets!
I really don't think it would. They are still the most beautiful machines out there. People who will buy for pretty, will still do so. Most current apple customers will do so as well.
They most likely have a line of Touch Products that will be specific to them anyways.. and basic commodity desktop machines, just aren't worth making anymore for Apple. Notice they haven't bothered to update the Mini. No one can even tough the iMac. And the TON of folks out there with Vista Certified machines which can't run Vista is huge. Get 10M of them to play with Snow this year and apple just took in $1.3B just in OS X licenses. If each of them gets a few apps from the OS X App Store, and some of them subscribe the Me. There is quite a compelling case for a new business model for apple.
I think there's plenty of new models where they could make up the cash. It's growing in Scale - making less per machine they power up front but pulling in more over time.
This is the year of any they can really squash MS's lead in the OS market. Vista wavering, Windows 7 starting to get out there in the news... Apple has a great market built by the iPhone that's only going to grow with 3G. They can't open enough stores in all the locations where iPhones are sold, the easiest way to hit them with OSX distribution deals is through partners such as Intel and hardware manufactures.
If they keep the Dev tools and delivery methods flowing.. i suspect the app store can bring in quite a bit of revenue for Apple... not only on the iPhone side, but also on the OS X side as well.
So here is what I think we are about to see at the Keynote: (Maybe i missed them, but... I'm surprised not to see any comments such as these yet in any other threads about Snow)
Me service to be OS X Only (with a yearly sub fee to use it)
Application Store for OS X (with apple getting a kick back on every app sold for OSX)
One More Thing . . .
We've ported a few of our major applications over to Windows.. and as it turns out, while people really enjoy having iTunes and now Safari to use while in Windows... what people really want is to use these great apps in OS X.
Folks are really not happy about Vista.. Folks are even more unhappy about Vista Certified machines that can't run the full Vista Experience, and the fractured and confusing experience of Ultimate, Business, Home, 64, etc.
Hell has frozen over yet again...
Introducing Snow Leopard: Generic X86 version of Leopard to become available that will run on ANY Intel powered Vista Compatible Intel Machine... $129.. Available on Machines THIS holiday season from Dell, HP, Asus, etc. Available Retail for everyone with Vista Compatible certified systems in January.
We've partnered with ALL major Intel partners to give full driver support in 10.6 Snow Leopard for all Vista Compatible systems ever sold with the MS Vista Logo Program. All of these users will have the same user experience, the same great pre-bundled applications that Mac users have grown to love... right out of the box.
Steve will bring out Michael Dell... and show that all of the demo's he showed during the keynote were done using a Dell desktop. Dell will talk about the opportunity users now have. Steve will thank Michael and then review the keynote notes.
People will be loving iPhone all over the world, now they can love OS X all over the world much faster than Apple alone currently has the ability to get out there.
With Me services and the OS X App Store the migration will be profitable, a revenue stream will be there for Apple even though they didn't sell the hardware. They will remind that iLife/iWork can be bought and will run on the 10.6 Snow Leopard just as wonderfully as they do today on 10.5.
Apple won't exit the hardware business. The Apple store is a great model the industrial design that core Apple customers love, and the industry as a whole admires. Mac Pro, iMac and MacBook/MacBook Pro line will stay. Mac Mini will go away, instead of bringing your own Keyboard, Monitor, and Mouse ... you can bring any vista compatible machine along for the ride
Bootcamp will be useable on these machines as well to help with the install and migration. Rosetta will be the only missing piece for the Snow Leopard build. No PPC applications will run on the Snow Mac. (Which isn't an issue for most folks with all major applications now being ported to Intel)
Checkmate!
I think with this move, Apple could more than double their worldwide market share in 1 year. 10.5 Leopard will stay up to day and have feature parity with 10.6 Snow Leopard (with the exception of features that require new hardware), although Snow will no longer support installs on PPC machines.
10.5 Leopard users can upgrade to 10.6 Snow on their existing hardware for $50. (for most users there will be no need for it).
Together the parallel development of 10.5 Leopard and 10.6 Snow Leopard will mark the end of Apples support for the PPC line of computers.
Thoughts?
That sounds pretty cool, but what happens to the "Mac market"? Why buy a Mac when you can get a cheap PC and put Snow Leopard on it?
I honestly don't want it to happen, but it sounds so crazy that it's almost believable. I want OS X to stay on beautiful machines! lol