Yeah, same with the Model T.
JUST MAKING A POINT...
I do get it though, and I was about to delete it, but when I was typing it, my friend who was on my bed reading saw it and laughed so hard he fell off the bed.
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Mac OS X 10.6 Called 'Snow Leopard', All Cocoa?
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Yeah, same with the Model T.
JUST MAKING A POINT...
I do get it though, and I was about to delete it, but when I was typing it, my friend who was on my bed reading saw it and laughed so hard he fell off the bed.
No. not at all. If that's where Apple thinks the technology is going then fine. After all, this isn't the first time we've been through it; there was 68K to PPC before this. But I do hope that Apple continues OS releases for these machines while they are still viable technology.
Apparently that opinion is not shared by everybody. They will be a thing of the past at some point, like all technology. But I wouldn't say that day is today.
Fault? Do you think that the first offerings of the Intel platforms were worth buying? I would never buy the first generation of new architecture. And I really don't see an Intel system I would want to buy today, at least as far as desktops go, because Apple doesn't offer a midrange.
And I'm so glad a dual G5 will beat a MacBook Air.
Other reasons... such as?
Like, seriously, guys, this whole "PPC is faster" stuff is so 1999.
Why is it too soon? Won't their loyal customers be pissed with 10.7?
Those were not meant to be accurate, they were meant to illustrate a point/concept. I know making parts for the Model T is ridiculous, it's just that's what the whole PPC thing is like. (again, not in terms of years elapsed since sale.)
By the way, I know Vista will run on a Pentium 4. Not well, though. Although, I'm sure that, on some forum in the deep darkness of the Internet, somebody's whining about how slow Aero is on their P4.
Oh, one more thing.... any proof that it's a mistake? Just because XP can run on a Pentium II doesn't mean it's not left behind. Microsoft is just being more... um.... conservative with their requirements.
On the other hand, show me a Quicksilver running Leopard smoothly, and I'll show you me, shaking on the floor, immobilized by mirth.
Yeah, basically, if it's not a G4-equipped AlBook or iBook, it's going to run Leopard crappily.
The Quciksilver went up to 1.42 GHz, ample power to run Leopard smoothly. There's a guy on this forum who uses a 500 MHz TiBook with Leopard as his main machine, and he says it's fairly quick.
An article I read claimed that a dual-G5 was faster then an Core Duo 2.4 GHz MacBook Pro, in some ares of performace. Not overall, but in some places, the G5 beat the MBP.
Microsoft screwed up with Vista, in more ways then one. It can barely run on two year old computers. There's something wrong with that in my mind. Apple sdhould not follow microsoft in that respect.
Many people, like me, can't afford new Macs, but we want to run the latest somftware, because our machines are perfectly capable of doing so. That's my entire point in this argument.
Model T analogy
By the way, someone compared PPC systems to the Model T. According to Wikipedia, Ford produced the Model T for 20 years. And I bet they made spare parts for them for a while longer, too.
By the way, someone compared PPC systems to the Model T. According to Wikipedia, Ford produced the Model T for 20 years.
And I bet they made spare parts for them for a while longer, too.Where did I say supporting hardware isn't a priority?
And that wouldn't happen. And an upgrade to say Core 3 isn't the same bach as going from PPC to Intel. PPC is different architecture. I'm sure 10.6 would be 32 and 64bit on the same disc and install in the same way Leopard does.
You have to be kidding me. So they are telling me, when 10.6 comes out, I will be paying for an operating system that is not newly revamped, but just a STABLE and FASTER 10.5?! Shouldn't I have got that when 10.5 came out? I feel like its tax time, when the government comes to take more money from me. I do applaud them on fixing the stability and speed flaws on leopard compared to tiger, but I don't feel as if we should pay for it. IMO, they should have delayed 10.5 until it was stable and faster, like it should be.
I dont have a big problem with leopard, except the odd problem, but i find it sad that in jan. 2009, i will be getting a more stable and faster version of the OS that I paid for.
I dont have a big problem with leopard, except the odd problem, but i find it sad that in jan. 2009, i will be getting a more stable and faster version of the OS that I paid for.
that is a beautiful animal. I doubt the finished product will be called "Snow Leopard," but then again, what the heck do I know?
Also, a quick question, is there an easy way to know if an application is cocoa or carbon? Thanks in advance!
Windows x64 still does compatibility virtualization
If you look more closely, the "16-bit subsystem" of 32-bit Windows NT has been changed to the "half native bit-width" subsystem in x64 NT.
In Windows 64-bit, the environment for 32-bit applications is in many ways the same as the virtual environment for 16-bit applications on 32-bit Windows NT.
After 13 years, the need for emulating a 16-bit environment was basically non-existent - so Microsoft redefined the emulator to be the 32-bit on 64-bit environment.
If you look more closely, the "16-bit subsystem" of 32-bit Windows NT has been changed to the "half native bit-width" subsystem in x64 NT.
In Windows 64-bit, the environment for 32-bit applications is in many ways the same as the virtual environment for 16-bit applications on 32-bit Windows NT.
After 13 years, the need for emulating a 16-bit environment was basically non-existent - so Microsoft redefined the emulator to be the 32-bit on 64-bit environment.
I would expect that for almost any application that has significant I/O, a desktop will beat a laptop with a faster CPU.
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For one, this is just a rumor. There isn't any facts really to back up the legitimacy of this claim. Also, it doesn't mention pricing. I know this isn't a perfect parallel to the current situation, but Apple offered 10.1 as a free upgrade to all 10.0 users; they could do it again.
Point is, don't get mad (or sad) at Apple for something they haven't done.
About the topic in general, I feel that if 10.6 has greatly improved speed and stability, it might warrant a cost. We buy a new computer because it is faster (aka better), but we don't expect Apple to give it to us. Apple will take care of 10.5 up until 10.6 is released.
In addition, I doubt anyone will get screwed by sticking to Tiger or Leopard even when Snow Leopard comes out.
I plan on sticking to Leopard on my Desktop and Tiger on my laptop
I plan on sticking to Leopard on my Desktop and Tiger on my laptop
It will be interesting to see how they envision how different the stack is for iPhone to mac development, and where any new devices will fit in.
The ad for the WWDC shows two bridges - like there's two paths to follow. That would mean that any new tablet would need to go one way or the other.
The ad for the WWDC shows two bridges - like there's two paths to follow. That would mean that any new tablet would need to go one way or the other.
Man, are YOU ever right! They won't even have Leopard tweaked to perfection at 10.5.5 or 10.5.6 until LONG after January.
NO WAY is 10.6 going to be out then.
I can see it now!
I can see it now!
Snow Leopard, 10.6.1... optimized for performance and speed!!
No spotlight, no time machine, no pages, no stacks... on off switches for all Leopard features!
Optimize your system (to 10.3.9 Panther. Which didn't author, burn, or play Blu-ray, either.)
Back to the future with
I can see it now!
Snow Leopard, 10.6.1... optimized for performance and speed!!
No spotlight, no time machine, no pages, no stacks... on off switches for all Leopard features!
Optimize your system (to 10.3.9 Panther. Which didn't author, burn, or play Blu-ray, either.)
Back to the future with
By the way, someone compared PPC systems to the Model T. According to Wikipedia, Ford produced the Model T for 20 years.
Um, for the eighty kabillionth time, I wasn't trying to make that accurate, I was trying to use it to illustrate my point.
i agree.
snow leaopard will be a refined leopard with added advanced mutitouch capability....
i hope my penryn MBP will support it!
The problem is that you're looking at this from your perspective, not Apple's. You're saying that Apple should do what's best for you, but Apple will do what's best for Apple. It may not be worth Apple's time spending time and resources developing a PPC version of 10.6, regardless of whether your machine could run it or not. They're under no obligation to support an obsolete architecture, your Mac will function just as well the day you bought it.
Apple don't care for you (or any of their customers), they only care for themselves unfortunately. They will do what will bring in the most cash, and force users to upgrade. They will only keep customers happy enough to keep them upgrading (which is why I suspect we saw a PPC version of Leopard at all).
It 'aint pretty but it's business. Same for everything else electronic...
'this focus on performance and stability'
The way I see it this smells like a marketing-led leak to manage expectations downwards at this early stage... and maybe throw a little sand in the eyes of the Windows 7 team.
Steve Jobs' 'secret features' remark over-egged the pudding. Leopard has been slightly underwhelming and somewhat fraught with problems, just on the basis of its delay and the ongoing wireless issues.
By letting this kind of news out already, through trusted sites as Ars, the rumours community are far less likely to get stoked up about things, and Apple can try and keep things focussed on the story they want to tell us i.e. the iPhone and other portable networked gadgets.
By now, most of us aren't expecting much in the way of new features from 10.6 and anything will be seen as a bonus, and so upon eventual release, word of mouth will eventually carry a large burden of the marketing without having to lavish a heap of money and time by telling us how wonderful it's going to be.
The way I see it this smells like a marketing-led leak to manage expectations downwards at this early stage... and maybe throw a little sand in the eyes of the Windows 7 team.
Steve Jobs' 'secret features' remark over-egged the pudding. Leopard has been slightly underwhelming and somewhat fraught with problems, just on the basis of its delay and the ongoing wireless issues.
By letting this kind of news out already, through trusted sites as Ars, the rumours community are far less likely to get stoked up about things, and Apple can try and keep things focussed on the story they want to tell us i.e. the iPhone and other portable networked gadgets.
By now, most of us aren't expecting much in the way of new features from 10.6 and anything will be seen as a bonus, and so upon eventual release, word of mouth will eventually carry a large burden of the marketing without having to lavish a heap of money and time by telling us how wonderful it's going to be.
It could also be that any new features are not clearly evident to users in the same way that stacks and spaces are. Things like using ZFS as the filesystem, having true resolution independence, putting cocoa-touch in OSX or other under-the-hood improvements.
Exactly what I was going to say
.. if I had that idea.
But, that's basically the summary of what I think, so good job!
Um, for the eighty kabillionth time, I wasn't trying to make that accurate, I was trying to use it to illustrate my point.
But it more accurately illustrates my point.
It's not regardless; it could run it. But they don't have to develop a PPC version, they already have it. This is a common code base; essentially all they have to do is recompile. It requires some testing resources, true, but they're already set up for that. To support an existing customer base, some with systems less than three years old, it's not that much of a stretch.
I don't see why people who do not have PPC systems should really care about this. Do you really think it harms Intel system development? Because I don't see that it does at all.
Which are all great but it's difficult to market these types of benefits to a general non-technical audience... so if 10.6 is going to be something like this, then a retail price of maybe 40-60% of Leopard's price or even a free release seems more likely.
Either way, I strongly believe that this is a Apple-sanctioned 'leak' to shape the story at this early stage because if expectations are lowered, then a potential Vista-type situation, in marketing terms, can be more easily avoided. They're promising evolution, not revolution, and if it does turn out that they're really planning something big, then the 'wow is now' will be generated by consumers, rather than by a top-down advertising-led message which Microsoft tried to sway minds with.
Apple's machines and devices may be not as good as they or we think they are, but their marketing and message-management is pretty sophisticated. I think their fingerprints are all over this one.