Right.... so you want Apple to violate the MSN protocol and its terms and conditions of use? There is a huge difference between some open source project doing this and a $100bn corporation. Apple would be sued to high hell.
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Mac OS X Leopard: iChat 4.0
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Right.... so you want Apple to violate the MSN protocol and its terms and conditions of use? There is a huge difference between some open source project doing this and a $100bn corporation. Apple would be sued to high hell.
Microsoft negotiated interoperability with Yahoo, so it doesn't seem as if they are completely unwilling to come to the table. Give them some credit. They even took Flip4Mac under their wing in the past couple of years, giving implicit support to Quicktime in the OS X environment. Who expected that move?
I might not understand what your new-fangled gobbledygook means, but my wife says to tell you I'm married. Thanks for thinking of me, though
I might not understand what your new-fangled gobbledygook means, but my wife says to tell you I'm married. Thanks for thinking of me, though
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fyi, the proper response is always "15/F/Cali"
here's one new feature that would be great: videoconf. that works.
One new feature I would like iChat 4.0 to have is videoconferencing that WORKS, without giving you error messages half of the times. Skype does it. Why can't iChat do it too?
One new feature I would like iChat 4.0 to have is videoconferencing that WORKS, without giving you error messages half of the times. Skype does it. Why can't iChat do it too?
1. The Yahoo deal was a strategic move because of Google buying a stake in AOL. If MS was real about interoperability, they would support Jabber in Messenger
2. An easy/soft way out, after stopping development of Windows Media Player.
so, back to my questionish thing, do you all have trouble getting iChat to connect to other iChat users when you're just using AIM?
I have friends who live in Houghton, MI, in my apartment at school. They both have new MacBook Pros. They have comcast service.
I temp. live in mid Wisconsin, and have charter service. I have a linksys router, I forget what sort of router they have.
If we try to connect and video/voice chat, we get connection errors, 100% of the time.
I have friends who live in Houghton, MI, in my apartment at school. They both have new MacBook Pros. They have comcast service.
I temp. live in mid Wisconsin, and have charter service. I have a linksys router, I forget what sort of router they have.
If we try to connect and video/voice chat, we get connection errors, 100% of the time.
All these new features sound really cool... but I'll never get to use them.
None of my friends use Mac computer, and they all use MSN.
One feature I was hoping for (but knew it would come) would be the ability to use iChat with your other IM Account, and chat (with all the features) to others who don't have iChat.
Oh well, what can we do? I don't see Apple fixing this anytime soon.
None of my friends use Mac computer, and they all use MSN.
One feature I was hoping for (but knew it would come) would be the ability to use iChat with your other IM Account, and chat (with all the features) to others who don't have iChat.
Oh well, what can we do? I don't see Apple fixing this anytime soon.
All these new features sound really cool... but I'll never get to use them.
None of my friends use Mac computer, and they all use MSN.
One feature I was hoping for (but knew it would come) would be the ability to use iChat with your other IM Account, and chat (with all the features) to others who don't have iChat.
Oh well, what can we do? I don't see Apple fixing this anytime soon.
Jabber allows this, and can be used with iChat, you just don't get the good stuff...I wish it supported video, and even MSN games...
Never heard of Jabber before, will have to google it.
Anyway, ALL the Leopard features look fantastic, but I don't think my PowerBook meets minimum requirements - but I have day of tomorrow and will look further into it.
Was waiting on Leopard to be released before I upgraded to a MacBook Pro, but now with the rumored new MacBook Pros coming November or January... I'm in two mind wither to wait or not.
The MBP is right between releases, now is a great time to buy. If you're content with your Powerbook, the stuff you do won't be noticeably different on the next MBP as on the current one...
yea over the years iChat has finally started getting better. I would prefer it over most clients now, just because how easy it is to use.
Yeah I do!
but seriously, i don't see why microsoft would have a problem with this (and have yet to see any evidence of this)..the more using hotmail/msn network the better for them.. especially since microsoft still have a stake in apple.
Regarding point number 2... how long do you think before MS stop developing MSN Messenger for Mac.
They're not putting in much effort at the moment...other clients are just so much better than the official one...
Because MS only make money on their own client. They want everybody to be using that.
Couple of reasons:
1. MS make money on Messenger via adverts, theme packs, winks, MSN Today... while a lot of this doesn't make the Mac version, they still want to keep you on brand.
2. If MSN was open, people might start using other clients... for instance, video chat in iChat blows MSN away. And with screen sharing and iChat Theater it takes this even further. iChat supports Google, AIM, .Mac, ICQ and Jabber. If MSN Messenger is not needed to speak to your friends, then the lock-in Microsoft has weakens considerably. Its like email. I don't change providers often but I know that I can take my contact list anywhere with me so its not a problem. The email providers have to fight based on FEATURES in order to keep customers. This is how it should be. If I wasn't able to email Hotmail users from Gmail then I would reluctantly have to use Hotmail. This is plus for MS
3. MS no longer have a stake in Apple.
yeah forget iChat for a second. Even if MS manages to add A/V functionality to Messenger for Mac, I'll be happy. The excuse they've been giving so far is because they are a small division within MS and have had to spend whatever limited resources they have on working on the Office for Mac. But hey, that's going to be released soon, so maybe, just maybe we'll see that added functionality.
Of course with all that iChat has to offer, I would love to see MSN support but that's a distant dream
I think the quality of included apps, like iChat, are what really sets OS X in front of XP/Vista.
By itself, I never thought XP as a core OS was too bad. But when you start comparing everything else, it is another story:
MSN Messenger vs. iChat
IE vs. Safari
Windows Media Player vs. iTunes
Movie Maker vs. iMovie/iDVD
Outlook vs. Mail + Address Book + iCal
Backup vs. Time Machine
Of course, this is just my opinion, totally subjective. But really- how many people get excited about using Windows Media Player?
By itself, I never thought XP as a core OS was too bad. But when you start comparing everything else, it is another story:
MSN Messenger vs. iChat
IE vs. Safari
Windows Media Player vs. iTunes
Movie Maker vs. iMovie/iDVD
Outlook vs. Mail + Address Book + iCal
Backup vs. Time Machine
Of course, this is just my opinion, totally subjective. But really- how many people get excited about using Windows Media Player?
Actually, it's my opinion as well.
I am really looking forward to the new iChat. My sister just bought a new iMac and this will be a great feature in terms of me helping her out.
Mac Webcam on MSN exists!!
It's a cross-platform open source program called aMSN.
http://www.amsn-project.net/
Nice, free software.
:d
It's a cross-platform open source program called aMSN.
http://www.amsn-project.net/
Nice, free software.
:d