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About flip'n time.
 
Will the iChat 4 effects transmit to iChat 3 users?

Anyone know if the nw iChat 4 effects (background or photobooth) will transmit so that iChat 3 users can see them?
 
I have a Sony Mini DV Digital HandyCam DCR-TRV33. Does anyone know if this camera will meet the following requirement for Backdrop effects?

A DV camcorder requires fixed focus, exposure, and white balance.

I'll have to dig out the manual if no one knows off hand.

Thanks
 
so with ichat 4.0 if my mom is having problems i can tell her to go to ichat and i can see what's on her screen. If she is having problems, can i remotely help her or do i still have to tell her to click here, click this etc? Can i use my mouse and keyboard to make adjustments and "take control" of her computer?
 
i've been waiting for this option for sooo long. finally i can SHOW my grandparents how to do things on my old g4 imac instead of talking them through all the steps! :)))
 
mini Rant

I don't see how iChat can be touted as an operating system feature. It's an application... and it should be free, heck you can download MSN Messenger for Windows, and use it on any version of Windows for free. No need to upgrade to Vista to get the latest MSN Messenger with screen sharing, video chat, music sharing, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I like Apple, but I haven't seen anything in Leopard that is really WOW... what fundamental OPERATING SYSTEM changes have been made... everything I see mentioned as an improvement is just a tweak of an existing application... remember applications are different than an operating system... the operating system is what talks to the hardware... applications talk to the operating system...

Making things pretty and adding a backup program don't count as operating system improvements...
 
I don't see how iChat can be touted as an operating system feature. It's an application... and it should be free, heck you can download MSN Messenger for Windows, and use it on any version of Windows for free. No need to upgrade to Vista to get the latest MSN Messenger with screen sharing, video chat, music sharing, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I like Apple, but I haven't seen anything in Leopard that is really WOW... what fundamental OPERATING SYSTEM changes have been made... everything I see mentioned as an improvement is just a tweak of an existing application... remember applications are different than an operating system... the operating system is what talks to the hardware... applications talk to the operating system...

Making things pretty and adding a backup program don't count as operating system improvements...
Core Animation. Nuff said. ... and if you don't think that's a major upgrade, research it and what it gives devs the ability to do. Also, what about the new Finder or QuickLook for that matter? Total productive enhancers.

Also, I disagree with your assessment of Time Machine. It's not tacked on like Volume Shadow Copy nor does it work in any way the same as any other backup application (even fundamentally they are quite different).
 
Do all of you who use iChat have .Mac accounts?

It is basically impossible to actually get chat working for me or my friends. We are all charter users, but don't have .mac accounts.

I can't connect to my other iChat friends because there are always connection problems. Googling turns up a solution, which is to farward like 10 different port ranges. Seems rediculous.

Is there a secret I'm missing?

No secret really. Its been a disaster in this department for months (See the iChat section in Apples own discussion forums). I dont know if iChat 4 will be any better yet.
All I can say is, iChat is extremely sensitive to network & router settings. You really need to tripple check it is all set up correctly. And even then it doesnt always work. This can sometimes be due to ISP's blocking/restricting ports iChat uses. Other times it can be because your nipples are not correctly aligned with the constellation of Orions belt.
It rarely works for me 1st time these days, and even when it does, the quality isn't nearly as good as it used to be. When eventually connected, data throughput is often rather low..

This is like, when they first invented the telephone, and your phone number was "5", but only two other people you knew had one, and they weren't necessarily people you wanted or needed to talk to, so you have this snazzy new telephone doing nothing.

Until I meet more people with iChat (ie, with a Mac) or even ONE person who uses AIM, whom I actually want or need to talk to, then all this really cool iChat technology is just taking up space on my hard drive.

Too bad, I'd love to use it, but it's useless.

I see your point entirely. But perhaps this is down to bad luck.. I have tons of contacts, many of which use iChat. So I have quite a few pals that I can video chat with.
If only it worked as dependably as it used to, then I would use it for video chats much more often. Instead of old fashioned text :rolleyes:
 
It will because everything is being done by your Mac not their computer. Basically it's all being processed on your Mac and then streamed as video like normal.

Correct. Tried it myself and verified already ;)
 
Core Animation. Nuff said. ... and if you don't think that's a major upgrade, research it and what it gives devs the ability to do. Also, what about the new Finder or QuickLook for that matter? Total productive enhancers.

Also, I disagree with your assessment of Time Machine. It's not tacked on like Volume Shadow Copy nor does it work in any way the same as any other backup application (even fundamentally they are quite different).

Core Animation - a Tweening API... whoopie... like I said, just prettifying, no meat... and it still won't help with games on OS X.

Finder, minor enhancements... Apple should just buy PathFinder. QuickLook... MS has had this since Windows XP, including the ability to rotate, save, print, etc.

Time machine appears to be a GUI slapped on a version control system, no rocket science there... but it is pretty. What OS X really needs is a backup system like Acronis for Windows. That's a REAL backup system - varying levels of compression, encryption, automation and more... SuperDuper is about as close as you can get now.. but it still pales in comparison.

Having said all that, I'll probably upgrade because I like pretty things too... but I'm not expecting anything to impress me from a technical standpoint.
 
A/S/L? Cyber?

haha

fyi, the proper response is always "15/F/Cali"

LOL :D

so what I could really still use is better MSN AV inside OS X.

You know who to send an e-mail to then, don't you... and Mercury works quite well for this, but I doubt MSN will ever get full screen images.

Google chat support would be nice.

As mentioned, it's already there, and Leopard will make it even easier to set up a GoogleTalk account.

But until Apple says that's what it does ... well, I'm not a big fan of any random user on the internet being able to see what's on my screen at any minute of the day.

The ideal solution would be to not open iChat in that case then.

Microsoft negotiated interoperability with Yahoo, so it doesn't seem as if they are completely unwilling to come to the table. Give them some credit. They even took Flip4Mac under their wing in the past couple of years, giving implicit support to Quicktime in the OS X environment. Who expected that move?

1. The Yahoo deal was a strategic move because of Google buying a stake in AOL. If MS was real about interoperability, they would support Jabber in Messenger

2. An easy/soft way out, after stopping development of Windows Media Player.

I think the main reason iChat wouldn't be able to bridge the gap and open up to MSN/Yahoo is because they have AIM on their side already. Reading that article I was unaware that Apple actually helped found AOL but then left, so I can see why they chose them to partner with initially, but if they now paid some money to connect to MSN/Yahoo I can see AOL ending their agreement with them, as it's the kind of interoperability they don't want.

Eventually it will happen, and eventually Microsoft and Apple and Yahoo and AOL and Google will all come together and choose an open standard that everyone can use, efficiently and easily, however I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

As for Flip4Mac, as stated above, Microsoft had pretty much abandoned making Windows Media Player on the mac, they were too lazy or whatever to do a decent job. Which leads me to wonder why they are still making Office, but as we can all see, that development is going very slowly too.

One new feature I would like iChat 4.0 to have is videoconferencing that WORKS, without giving you error messages half of the times. Skype does it. Why can't iChat do it too?

I think I've had one error message in all the time I've used it, and that was because of a dodgy connection. Granted everyone was a different connection, and that's why things don't always work as planned.

It's a cross-platform open source program called aMSN.

http://www.amsn-project.net/
Nice, free software.

I've tried it, it's very buggy while using A/V.

The best I've found is Mercury Messenger's latest beta (download link) :)

Mercury really is one of the best cross-platform MSN clients out there, and jabber support is slowly being added too. It's a little odd seeing 11 betas followed by 11 RC's and still no final, but it's a decent app. I'd recommend turning off iTunes songs showing in the app to avoid occasional crashes.

Core Animation - a Tweening API... whoopie... like I said, just prettifying, no meat.

Possibly true, but look at Aero and how the new application switcher is the only feature advertised in Vista :p

QuickLook... MS has had this since Windows XP, including the ability to rotate, save, print, etc.

I think you should be comparing Preview.app to those features, not QuickLook.
 
No secret really. Its been a disaster in this department for months (See the iChat section in Apples own discussion forums). I dont know if iChat 4 will be any better yet.
All I can say is, iChat is extremely sensitive to network & router settings. You really need to tripple check it is all set up correctly. And even then it doesnt always work. This can sometimes be due to ISP's blocking/restricting ports iChat uses. Other times it can be because your nipples are not correctly aligned with the constellation of Orions belt.
It rarely works for me 1st time these days, and even when it does, the quality isn't nearly as good as it used to be. When eventually connected, data throughput is often rather low..

I've tried pretty much everything to get iChat video or audio to work. It workes wonderfully until a year ago. Is there any website that hs actually working instructions? I tried with OSX's firewall off etc. Didn't do the nipple thing yet :)
And Leopard's iChat (current dev version) gives me the same connection errors. MSN video over Mercury works fine by the way. I with iChat had uPnP since most modern router support that. :(
 
Don't know what its like in the rest of the world but in the UK iChat is basically useless until it has native MSN support.

Interesting, in the States and the rest of the world, MSN, in fact anything Micro$oft makes is useless, maybe Europe needs go get with the times?

That said iChat could use more networks but I understand Apple's reluctance to add, say, MSN, which of the scads of people I know in college and professionally not a single user out there (i.e. I know a lot of smart people I guess). The one client I know thousands use in the technical industries is actually Yahoo! IM, wouldn't think they'd be as hard to partner with as M$, who I'm sure would flip Apple the bird.

In closing what with AOL supposedly hemorrhaging money and user-base, maybe Apple should start shopping for, or partnering with, other networks. Though myself and about 50 or so people show up on iChat, only half a dozen are .Mac, maybe 20 got free AOL IM handles, which is what I use (anyone can get an AOL IM handle, which then viola, you can use iChat, no .Mac needed), the rest are through Google's IM service which iChat can see as well.

(slaps head) THERE is who Apple should partner with to take over the masses with an amazing IM package... GOOGLE!
 
Is there any website that hs actually working instructions? I tried with OSX's firewall off etc. Didn't do the nipple thing yet :)

If you were (for example) to report your iChat problems on the Apple discussion forums. You'd likely get a reply from a helpful guy called Ralph. He's really gone out of his way to help people sort these kind of problems out. Also.. Hes put together a very helpful website to guide people through the minefield of iChat connection errors.
Its worth a look, as it has all kinds of helpful tips. Not that they really helped me so much, but you may have better luck.
www.ralphjohnsuk.dsl.pipex.com
Failing that, its back to nipple aligning im afraid.
 
Interesting, in the States and the rest of the world, MSN, in fact anything Micro$oft makes is useless, maybe Europe needs go get with the times?

Errr... UK <> Europe! Europe is an area with several individual countries and cultures/languages - unlike the U.S., where the individual states are more integrated within one common nation using the same language (more or less).

Back on topic:
Regarding the choice of IM's i'd think that it depends on an individual and his/hers friends rather than on a country. E.g. i do have contacts on AIM, ICQ, MSN and Yahoo...

That said iChat could use more networks

Well - Apple would only have to offer a documented API for iChat and i'm sure they would not need to implement support for other networks on their own - some 3rd party programmer would do it for them! Or is there already something like this in iChat that i'm not aware of?
 
iChat continues to be the worst application ever created by Apple, and it just continues to hold on to that title. Even with all of the video conferencing and other additions, it fails as a standard AIM client.

Fortunately, there are good third-party options like Adium, and in the near future, Trillian will finally make its way to the Mac. *celebrates*
 
Well - Apple would only have to offer a documented API for iChat and i'm sure they would not need to implement support for other networks on their own - some 3rd party programmer would do it for them! Or is there already something like this in iChat that i'm not aware of?

Jabber lets you text-chat with people on other networks, but none of the fancy stuff...
 
iChat continues to be the worst application ever created by Apple, and it just continues to hold on to that title. Even with all of the video conferencing and other additions, it fails as a standard AIM client.

Fortunately, there are good third-party options like Adium, and in the near future, Trillian will finally make its way to the Mac. *celebrates*

I guess that really depends on what your expectations are of a great IM app. I think it's wonderful, in this past year I've had chats from Prague on holiday, to my sister in Australia, 4-way chats between London, Chicago, Australia and Hong Kong and countless other chats.

Perhaps for what you've been doing with it, it's sucked, but for me, I couldn't be happier with it's performance. I know I wouldn't of been able to transmit the quality of video or audio in Mercury/Windows Live, on either a Mac or PC, so I judge it works splendid.
 
For all of you unhappy with your OSX chat client options, I really highly recommend checking out meebo. It's web based, so it doesn't support any of the audio/visual options out there, however it works really well and if you are like everybody I know, you always have a browser open so it saves on space.

That said, it's more for a casual IMer, not somebody who chat's the night away on AIM/etc.
 
For all of you unhappy with your OSX chat client options, I really highly recommend checking out meebo. It's web based, so it doesn't support any of the audio/visual options out there, however it works really well and if you are like everybody I know, you always have a browser open so it saves on space.

That said, it's more for a casual IMer, not somebody who chat's the night away on AIM/etc.

Its great for use on public computers, but Adium is just so much more user friendly...
 
haha

fyi, the proper response is always "15/F/Cali"

Interesting how I have never heard someone from California refer to it as "Cali", yet everyone east of Texas seems to think that's a decent term.


Anyways, I would love to see some stability with the video chatting. I can video chat with Skype, but its resource heavy. iChat is a light application, but I, like everyone else, suffer from Connection Errors ALL THE TIME.

And of course, those pr*cks at the apple store won't acknowledge that an issue exists, as with everything I bring to their attention :(.
 
And of course, those pr*cks at the apple store won't acknowledge that an issue exists, as with everything I bring to their attention :(.

Maybe an issue doesn't exist, at least not with the computer. I've had no troubles in Hong Kong or Australia, so perhaps that's just because the ISP's here aren't blocking the ports I need, but in the States they are ? Something like that.
 
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