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Lion is not at all ready for public release. Not at all.

I'd say at least another 6 months. IF they iron out all the slowness. And that is ONE big if....

More like 1 more developer preview and a FC.

Lion is no where near that bad.
 
No... It is not the first time.

If it is a bug, then OK. But this time this amnesia you are referring to, seems so thought-out that it reminds me more of a feature than a BUG.

If it's not fixed, I'll be pissed as hell but SL had the exact same thing during beta, so I'm assuming it's a bug.
 
Mac OS X Lion has been released for "internal testing" last week at Apple. It's not clear what that really means, but TUAW believes that means that Lion is nearly ready for release.We do know the last Mac OS X Lion developer preview was said to be much faster and more stable that the previous releases.
It's not even near ready for release. Tons of bugs. Apple have no idea to where to go with GUI, interface in apps looks like a salad from different vegetables. I have no idea what's up with Preview app but I don't like it when it's remember last open files and open them every time. Apple have no concept to where MacOS X should go. I've been testing the last developer preview release and I would not switch to Lion in the near future.
 
It's not even near ready for release. Tons of bugs. Apple have no idea to where to go with GUI, interface in apps looks like a salad from different vegetables. I have no idea what's up with Preview app but I don't like it when it's remember last open files and open them every time. Apple have no concept to where MacOS X should go. I've been testing the last developer preview release and I would not switch to Lion in the near future.

I have a different opinion. I think Apple does have a very concrete plan about Mac OS X. Apple has a big goal: To make technology available to everyone and simplify computing. That is where Mac OS X is going. Computer freaks/nurds like us maybe won't like it, but this is the way it is going to go. Even then, there are always going to be things that we will be able to tweak and change.
Using Lion for the last couple of weeks changed the way I interact with my Mac. For example Resume, a feature that causes so many issues. Even that can be made to work like I want to. I now close windows more than apps. This is something that people who do no want to understand things expect their computer to work. My father for example always closed windows instead of apps. He always expects that the app would also close....With Lion he will certainly be happy.

I am also happy because most of the new things in Lion are very good and I wouldn't want to go back to Snow Leopard.
 
It's not even near ready for release. Tons of bugs. Apple have no idea to where to go with GUI, interface in apps looks like a salad from different vegetables. I have no idea what's up with Preview app but I don't like it when it's remember last open files and open them every time. Apple have no concept to where MacOS X should go. I've been testing the last developer preview release and I would not switch to Lion in the near future.

The Lion in your hands in not ready for release, which has probably been compiled 2 months ago. Apple's internal seeds are much more recent. So you'd have no idea if it's ready for release or not. And with this pace I'd say it'd be very close. From DP1 to DP3, which took 2 months, they ironed out most of the bugs and performance got really close to SL. So DP4 > RC looks very probable.

I'll switch immediately to Lion because of Safari. Lion Safari is much better than SL Safari and unless Apple doesn't update the SL Safari to Webkit2, it'll stay that way. Even with a few bugs on its tail, I'd rather use Lion Safari over SL Safari right now. It does much better multithreading and it's tons of times more responsive under heavy load.
 
I have a different opinion. I think Apple does have a very concrete plan about Mac OS X. Apple has a big goal: To make technology available to everyone and simplify computing. That is where Mac OS X is going. Computer freaks/nurds like us maybe won't like it, but this is the way it is going to go. Even then, there are always going to be things that we will be able to tweak and change.
Using Lion for the last couple of weeks changed the way I interact with my Mac. For example Resume, a feature that causes so many issues. Even that can be made to work like I want to. I now close windows more than apps. This is something that people who do no want to understand things expect their computer to work. My father for example always closed windows instead of apps. He always expects that the app would also close....With Lion he will certainly be happy.

I am also happy because most of the new things in Lion are very good and I wouldn't want to go back to Snow Leopard.
Listen, I appreciate your opinion, you are right about some things from my point of view but in the same time you are wrong that Apple working on the easy to use interface and usability. I don't know if you used Dev Preview 2 and then Dev Preview 3 but did you see what they have done with Spaces?
I don't think moving Spaces preferences from System preferences it's easy to use. I'm a geek and developer and only after one hour I found how to make new Space in Dev Preview 3. It's far far away from easy to use. :)
I mean if you don't know, you'll never find because for me it's should be in System Preferences. Another thing is interface, they need to make it scalable, the whole interface. In last build my MacBook Pro was not able to connect to WiFi network after reboot and waking up from sleep, so this kind bugs knows from 10.4 and they are still in 10.7.
Another thing that bugs me, I don't like this Launchpad, it's not functional. It's only functional when you touch your screen and you don't have a mouse and keyboard. So, for iPad it's prefect solution but not for desktop OS. I don't know if you remember Launcher that Apple had in classic MacOS, this App was functional because its was not on the whole screen and you didn't have to push anything to go to this app. So, I disagree with you about clear concept of Lion, they have no clear concept, they have some things that they try to move from iOS to desktop OS but it's not the same functionality. I think that Lion making different groups of developers and now they try to join everything in one piece and honestly it looks like a salad. If they started to move to apps to full screen mode then they have to make this option inside OS, so every MacOS X app could have this feature. Resume doesn't work the way it's should work, because most of the apps that I use in startup is internet dependent, so the RAM restore doesn't really help. Honestly my old PowerBook Duo 230 with 33 Mhz CPU 68030 and with 12Mb of RAM booted faster with MacOS 7.0 from RAM drive and on the RAM drive was not only OS, but MS Excel that worked faster then new MS Excel on the my Dual Core MacBook Pro 2.8Ghz. So, I don't see to where this Lion release go but I see that Intel need to sale more processors and Apple is going to help Intel to do a business. :) It's not about usability, it's about money. :)
 
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Listen, I appreciate your opinion, you are right about some things from my point of view but in the same time you are wrong that Apple working on the easy to use interface and usability. I don't know if you used Dev Preview 2 and then Dev Preview 3 but did you see what they have done with Spaces?
I don't think moving Spaces preferences from System preferences it's easy to use. I'm a geek and developer and only after one hour I found how to make new Space in Dev Preview 3. It's far far away from easy to use. :)
I mean if you don't know, you'll never find because for me it's should be in System Preferences. Another thing is interface, they need to make is scalable, the whole interface. In last build my MacBook Pro was not able to connect to WiFi network after reboot and waking up from sleep, so this kind bugs knows from 10.4 and they are still in 10.7.
Another thing that bugs me, I don't like this Launchpad, it's not functional. It's only functional when you touch your screen and you don't have a mouse and keyboard. So, for iPad it's prefect solution but not for desktop OS. I don't know if you remember Launcher that Apple had in classic OS X, this App was functional because its was not on the whole screen and you didn't have to push anything to go to this app. So, I disagree with you about clear concept of Lion, they have no clear concept, they have some things that they try to move from iOS to desktop OS but it's not the same functionality. I think that Lion making different groups of developers and now they try to join everything in one place and honestly it looks like a salad. If they started to move to apps to full screen mode then they have to make this option inside OS, so every MacOS X app could have this feature. Resume doesn't work the way it's should work, because most of the apps that I use in startup is internet dependent, so the RAM restore doesn't really help. Honestly my old PowerBook Duo 230 with 33 Mhz CPU 68030 and with 12Mb or RAM booted faster with MacOS 7.0 from RAM drive and on the RAM drive was not only OS, but MS Excel that worked faster then new MS Excel on the my Dual Core MacBook Pro 2.8Ghz. So, I don't see to where this Lion release go but I see that Intel need to sale more processors and Apple is going to help Intel to do a business. :) It's not about usability, it's about money. :)

I agree on Launchpad. I don't like it either (yet).
Mission Control is a work in progress and I too don't like the way I can create spaces anymore.
 
The Lion in your hands in not ready for release, which has probably been compiled 2 months ago. Apple's internal seeds are much more recent. So you'd have no idea if it's ready for release or not. And with this pace I'd say it'd be very close. From DP1 to DP3, which took 2 months, they ironed out most of the bugs and performance got really close to SL. So DP4 > RC looks very probable.

I'll switch immediately to Lion because of Safari. Lion Safari is much better than SL Safari and unless Apple doesn't update the SL Safari to Webkit2, it'll stay that way. Even with a few bugs on its tail, I'd rather use Lion Safari over SL Safari right now. It does much better multithreading and it's tons of times more responsive under heavy load.
Give me break, Apple don't hide anything from developers. Core was build in last release on the 15 of May, so I guess Apple is going to release Lion in September or in the end of August. It's far far away from GM.
 
I've been testing the last developer preview release and I would not switch to Lion in the near future.

More likely they have the next 5-7 years completely mapped out and locked up. This is Apple, after all.

I'm a lot more worried about the competition.
 
It's only functional when you touch your screen and you don't have a mouse and keyboard.
Or when you have a Mouse that works like Apple's Magic Mouse, or Magic Trackpad.

This is Apple we're talking about. Apple designs stuff to work on THEIR Computers, with THEIR Hardware. They design Graphics Drivers for THEIR Graphics Cards, they do everything for THEIR Hardware. They expect you to be using the Magic Mouse with Launchpad, or a Laptop's Non-Button Trackpad. Did you see the Lion Pictures where they're showing Launchpad on an MBA? Exactly. It can be used in exactly the same way with Magic Trackpad Users, or Magic Mouse Users. They designed Launchpad to work with THEIR Hardware. They don't care if your Razer or Logitech Mice don't work with it, they care that their Magic Mouse and Magic Trackpad works with it.

They regard Non-Apple Mice the same way they regard Hackintosh Builds. Don't Care Enough To Bother Doing Anything About, But Won't Support, So Don't Ask For It, Don't Expect It.

I don't think moving Spaces preferences from System preferences it's easy to use.
How DO you make new Spaces anyway? I didn't notice this getting moved since I haven't modified my Spaces settings yet.
 
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Right, they design Drivers and Applications to work with the Hardware they put in their Apple Macs and the Accessories they sell you with their Apple Macs, I.E. Apple Hardware basically. The rest is just 3rd Party irrelevant stuff as far as they're concerned.

Can't seem to find the big plus in the top right hand corner when Mission Control is active, but eh. It'll show up at some point I'm sure.
 
They regard Non-Apple Mice the same way they regard Hackintosh Builds. Don't Care Enough To Bother Doing Anything About, But Won't Support, So Don't Ask For It, Don't Expect It.
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I hope not, because Apple's mouse designs always suck. I don't know how they manage to do such a good job on designing everything and then screw up on the mouse, but they do.
 
I hope not, because Apple's mouse designs always suck. I don't know how they manage to do such a good job on designing everything and then screw up on the mouse, but they do.

I had Mighty Mouse for years and now Magic Mouse - both are great. It's one thing everyone has a different take on. I for example like it and no i can't see myself using any other mouse.
 
I hope not, because Apple's mouse designs always suck. I don't know how they manage to do such a good job on designing everything and then screw up on the mouse, but they do.
I think the Magic Mouse, despite it being rubbish at gaming and being an acquired taste, is amazing. The rest sucked though. Especially the Mighty Mouse.
 
The Mighty Mouse was pure horrible. The Scroll Wheel totally sucked and I had to buy another one every 6 months because they kept falling apart.

The old (white) Apple Keyboard wasn't bad, but not great. The new Aluminum Keyboard is an improvement. Still not as good as Mechanical Keyboards, but not as horrible as they get.

Apple isn't really big on choice either. Wifi Keyboard? No Number Pad, need to get a 3rd Party Number Pad. Magic Mouse/Trackpad? No Wired Version, all Wifi.

Don't like Wifi? /iCare.

Magic Mouse isn't all bad. Semi-decent.
 
Give me break, Apple don't hide anything from developers. Core was build in last release on the 15 of May, so I guess Apple is going to release Lion in September or in the end of August. It's far far away from GM.

Well, if you actually followed Leopard and SL beta cycles, then you'd think differently. The last couple of builds of SL right before release were almost as buggy as Lion is right now, and SL was released a month after those buggy builds.

Same with Leopard. And I remember the exact kind of chatter when SL was released, that SL wasn't ready, that the latest SL build was so buggy that it couldn't be GM. People forget that Apple doesn't wait that long to iron out every single thing to release OS's.

P.S. The build dates don't mean anything at all. They can compile an old code today and it'd say "compiled today". Simple as that.
 
I think Final Cut Pro X is going to require Lion, and Apple said Final Cut Pro X is going to be released in June. I think we will see either DP 4 or RC 1 on June 6th with the GM shipping at the end of the month.

The theme of WWDC this year is to come see a preview of the future of Mac OS X. All the developers who are going to be at WWDC have already been using the DPs so why would they show just another developer build? I would think they would show a pretty damn near, ready to be released version of Lion.
 
I think Final Cut Pro X is going to require Lion, and Apple said Final Cut Pro X is going to be released in June. I think we will see either DP 4 or RC 1 on June 6th with the GM shipping at the end of the month.

The theme of WWDC this year is to come see a preview of the future of Mac OS X. All the developers who are going to be at WWDC have already been using the DPs so why would they show just another developer build? I would think they would show a pretty damn near, ready to be released version of Lion.

Final Cut X will not require Lion.
 
Most likely minimum System Requirements will be Snow Leopard, just because of how new Lion will still be when Final Cut Pro X will be released. (Assuming release will be within the next few months)
 
Most likely minimum System Requirements will be Snow Leopard, just because of how new Lion will still be when Final Cut Pro X will be released.

I concur with this. Apple tend to cater for the previous OS for their pro apps.
 
I'm typing this in Lion right now and it's actually very stable. I have ran into many bugs/quirks but nothing major.

And to those saying their not impressed with Lion, you simply need to use it for yourself. (you'll be able to at an Apple Store when it's released) It's amazing, from the UI enhancements, to the full screen apps, to the new Mail, it's incredible. I feel like I'm on an iPad, but everything's so much more powerful. Oh and I just noticed the nice auto correction pop up just like iOS - neat!

Snow Leopard is great but it's blown away by Lion... the thought of using it every day like Snow Leopard is invigorating.
So it's faster with less beach balls?
 
I'm taking a wait and see approach before I even consider using Lion.

As an avid Apple user of many years, sadly I've lost confidence in Apple. That's not a reflection of anything other than my personal experience with them in the last year.

I wish it were different, I really do, because it was a lot more fun buying computers and phones when I could trust them. I would like to return to the way it was. They built it, and if it was to my liking (which it was 90% of the time) I bought it.

There was never a worry about whether it would have faults so great it would have to be returned. Today buying Apple, returns are so common its shocking.
 
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