Mac OS X Lion: Drops PowerPC Emulation, Adds QuickTime Pro Features, Much More

Orange™;12009481 said:
WTF is "PowerPC Emulation"? Classic went away with Leopard I thought! UPDATE: That sucks, first Classic and now Rosetta? You're moving the wrong way APPLE!!! :mad: Another question though, what the difference between Classic and Rosetta.

Also, who honestly uses Quicktime anymore? VLC is free and open source, is there anything Quicktime can do that VLC can't? Also, when I use the two, Quicktime uses more computational resources.
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You use no PowerPC products (your signature)
You probably don't use powerpc software due to the fact you not knowing your computer is running it, and despite all this you call it the "wrong way to move". Apple hasn't built a computer with PPC for 5 years and developers has therefore known this since. You should instead be happy for the fact that Apple is moving forward, saying goodbye to irrelevant and old transition software.

Classic is a full scale emulation of OS9 while Rosetta is a wrapper around the PPC calls.
 
tac22 said:
full screen safari isn't wasteful at all on a smaller screen. That being said, having a 27 inch screen myself, there is absolutely no need for me to put safari in full screen.

The better implication of spaces (desktops) with different desktop wallpaper and easy switching is plain awesome
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Agreed, I never use full screen on my iMac but I do occasionally use it on my MacBook when I want to get a whole page on screen.

I kinda like how spaces works now, I don't really need any changes, though if it was more powerful I wouldn't complain. Just being able to keep my apps in full screen and just switching spaces is easier than Alt+Tabbing between windows.
 
Am I crazy to think that this may be the transistion to an iPad Pro interface? You know, the iPad every developer and designer wished it was from the get-go ... A full UI and full ability of a computer. Seems like this would be the best interface to do a UITouch for a full computer in Tablet form.
 
Kinda creepy video. This person talks exactly like me, including accents, grammar errors (all of them, and none more or less!!) and general nervousness when talking English.

On-topic: Glad that the indicator bulbs are still there. My upgrading chances are bigger now. Much bigger than they were before. I only hope I can still control my computer more than Apple does control mine.
 
I read that yesterday, and got really upset. I have Office 2011 and 2004 (forget 2008). I still use 2004 a lot, as it runs my macros better (just today 2011 gave me a Runtime error while it ran nicely on 2004) and 2004 has a better VBA editor than 2011 (whatever happened to the help specific VBA editor help menu?????)

I also have many (and I mean many) PPC apps. What about my games??? I'm going to tell Apple about this (feedback section), but other devs, please do the same, more pressure from devs equals bigger chance of them returning Rosetta, right?).

AnonMac50
 
Lion Can Bite Me

I've got several fairly expensive apps (PowerPC apps) that I use in my work, and they serve me well. I have no need for them to be updated. They don't offer any new features that I need or want. Assuming Lion will be priced at $129, that's a drop in the bucket compared to what my total cost would be.

So, Apple, tell me again why I would want to "upgrade" to Lion?
 
Lion looks like it has some nice features. I like the implementation of the iPad aesthetic throughout some of the apps.
 
I was expecting something more you know? Less iPhone and more Mac-ish... A whole new GUI, I'm looking to a Mac OS with a Theme installed, it looks different but it still the same logic. Is this is a thunderbolt era let everything go loose here! Black GUI with state to the art animations and productivity functions, drag a mouse to a border andnshow me a HUD palette with new system controllers and shurtcuts, drag the dock up and show me a tray with apps clasifications and arrangements, open a window and show me only the content and if I wantnto see the menu let me drag my mouse on top to see it, see? You can change that old GUI and make Lion more Lion... This is going as leopard to Snow Leopard.... Little bitmof magic but the same bull...
 
Not sure I'm a big fan of the whole redesign in general. I rather enjoy the "shininess" of everything as it is, and I don't think switching to grayscale and flat-looking buttons is very visually appealing. As far as features go, I never use address book, but I also think its visual appearance is ridiculous. It doesn't seem as if PPC support will be a big problem for me.
The "mobile" look-and-feel is fine for iPad, but call me old-fashioned, I just don't like the fact that they're trying to carry that all over to the mac. The screens are thirty frikkin' inches! Simplicity will just look and feel plain weird on them. I'll have to see about making this (apparently radical) switch...
 
Wingsy said:
I've got several fairly expensive apps (PowerPC apps) that I use in my work, and they serve me well. I have no need for them to be updated. They don't offer any new features that I need or want. Assuming Lion will be priced at $129, that's a drop in the bucket compared to what my total cost would be.

So, Apple, tell me again why I would want to "upgrade" to Lion?
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In your situation, you might consider Not updating at all. As you have stated: why would you. Right tool for the right job and in your situation due to the dropping of Rosetta, it might not be the right tool.

However it IS sensible for Apple to drop a transition technology that has been present for 5+ years. Especially considering the fact that they want to move themselves and developers into 64 bit Cocoa, finally making it a complete 64 bit environment and with that align the developed software to their future roadmap.
 
Why in the hell doesn't Apple just make Rosetta optional once again?

Well, it looks like that I won't be upgrading to Lion anytime soon then. Oh well, I love Snow Leopard.
 
Well, I'll be darned. Apple DID put more into Lion than they revealed initially, and they really are bringing the best concepts from the iOS environment into Mac OS X... however, for me upgrading to Lion isn't going to be at all simple. Based on what's known right now, I'm going to have to download Java right away just to get anything done (I'm a Java developer). Dropping Front Row doesn't bother me since I don't use it. However... dropping Rosetta is a little bit problematic for me, since I use a development tool that was never made Intel-native. *sigh*
 
No more SC:BW or Diablo?!

Just checked, the only PPC programs on my mac which I care about are DiabloII and StarCraft BroodWar.
Hopefully Blizzard updates them again like they did for the classic to X transition.
 
JonHimself said:
I've seen the mention of the lights under running applications and how it seems to be a concern for people. Based on the way they're promoting apps saving states and launching instantly, I wonder if it's just Apple trying to condition people to getting away from the idea of an app "running" and thinking more about just having the applications there ready to be used whenever you want (assuming they do launch instantly - or at least close to instantly). With the ability to save states I'm guessing they probably just want people to not worry about if it's open or not.
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True enough, I suppose. But on this dev version, where I am adjusting, testing, fixing bug crashes, etc., I find the lights easier to track apps I have to "Quit" to reset, either because I have installed plugins, or because I have made changes to the apps that require a real restart.

Not sure if I will continue to need the lights as much once the OS reaches, or gets closer to production. Probably will.
 
I don't remember feeling this concerned when Leopard came out... I just really don't like the implementation of iOS into OSX, I guess. I have an iPhone and an iPad for iOS. I want my Mac to be my Mac.
 
coral said:
You use no PowerPC products (your signature)
You probably don't use powerpc software due to the fact you not knowing your computer is running it, and despite all this you call it the "wrong way to move". Apple hasn't built a computer with PPC for 5 years and developers has therefore known this since. You should instead be happy for the fact that Apple is moving forward, saying goodbye to irrelevant and old transition software.

Classic is a full scale emulation of OS9 while Rosetta is a wrapper around the PPC calls.
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Based on what you said to Orange™, I updated my sig to reflect my Macs (hoping people don't mistake me for only having a PowerBook C2D.
 
Colour is gone in the Finder sidebar, just like in iTunes 10. Yet, they did not go as far as removing colour from the Finder preferences, both the categories in the toolbar are still colour (and they are a horrible grey in iTunes' preferences) and in the list of items to display in the sidebar, all the categories still have the colour (ie, Desktop etc.).

I guess there would be a real revolt if they removed all colour (eg, in the System Preferences). In the Finder sidebar it might be tolerable since most people will not have too many different categories of folders there and rely on the colour to distinguish them. In the iTunes sidebar it bothers me, however, enough to have brought back the colours, even though there a few pixels in the wrong space (when using the coloured icons from a previous version of iTunes).

And I still find it ironic that the colours were removed in the sidebar to focus on the album art (as Jobs has said it) but are still there in the iTunes Store. Are we to conclude that they were also removed to focus on the store and not on your own existing content?
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allpar said:
"However, dropping Rosetta? No way. That's nonsensical. "

I fully agree!

First, and mainly, there's Eudora. There is a large community of Eudora people still, and there's no good substitute. There's MailForge, which may work reliably someday, and there's "Eudora 8," which ... doesn't deserve to be mentioned.

Then there's Office. I paid for Office 2008; however, it doesn't work well with many programs, in terms of copy/paste, and is often ... weird. I don't have confidence that Office 2011 will be any better. I prefer Office 2004, and will stick with it as long as I can. Apparently that's not very long if I choose to stay current.

I am VERY disappointed in Apple. If I could figure out how to rate this a "negative" I would.
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Enough already!
The reason that Windows is the mess that is is precisely because of this inability to cut old stuff loose.
I am personally thrilled that once again, Apple is moving forward instead of saddling everyone with legacy baggage.
Stay with Snow Leopard, upgrade your apps, switch to Windows (with it's inability to even get past the dung heap of the Registry precisely because this reason), or go with a nice hobbiest desktop platform like Linux.
There are plenty of choices. Just don't demand that the rest of us stay stuck in the mud along with you.
 
I just found a reason not to like Lion :( (the lack of PPC support).

I understand we need to evolve, but why not support PPC will it make such a dent?)

Also, dashboard without overlaping the screen? (I use it a lot by and for instance the calculator, if I can't see what's on the screen beneath I will have to jump back and forward from screen to dashboard).

The "new" scrollbars are just plain stupid; how can you tell if a content has scrollbars unless you rollover that content? Will we have to roolover every window to check if it is scrollable?
 
Is it reasonable to assume that HP, Epson and others will write new drivers, if feasible, for their products if PPC via Rosetta is to be axed completely.
There must be a lot of users who will be left high and dry with nearly new peripherals if not.

Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
 
Crap! I never realized how many powerpc applications I had. I figured it wouldn't matter, but then I looked and discovered quite a number of the applications I sometimes use won't be able to be run in Lion.
 
So far Lion looks OK - just about - but there is absolutely nothing evolutionary or revolutionary in it... Just a collection of various good and not so good tweaks. Hmmm... :cool:
 
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