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I've got several fairly expensive apps (PowerPC apps) that I use in my work, and they serve me well. I have no need for them to be updated. They don't offer any new features that I need or want. Assuming Lion will be priced at $129, that's a drop in the bucket compared to what my total cost would be.

So, Apple, tell me again why I would want to "upgrade" to Lion?

Guess you shouldn't then.
But Apple won't and shouldn't base it's roadmap on extreme fringe use cases.
 
I just found a reason not to like Lion :( (the lack of PPC support).

I understand we need to evolve, but why not support PPC will it make such a dent?)

Also, dashboard without overlaping the screen? (I use it a lot by and for instance the calculator, if I can't see what's on the screen beneath I will have to jump back and forward from screen to dashboard).

The "new" scrollbars are just plain stupid; how can you tell if a content has scrollbars unless you rollover that content? Will we have to roolover every window to check if it is scrollable?

You can call the dashboard as you were doing prior 10.7. You have both the overlapping method and their "page".

Scrollbar can be changed in the preferences.
 
Here is a suggestion for :apple: pertaining to the slider function in Lion, can you made the selected button turn blue or whatever colour the user has customized it to. Would make it easier to pick out at first glance, since in its present method it looks like buttons.
 
I'm quite looking forward to this new update now. Kinda sucks that they are ditching support for PPC applications but they have to be cut off at one time I suppose. Hope that it's early summer though and not like the iPad fall release and it was like the middle of November, then again they did launch Snow Leopard in August.
 
For many who use their Macs in production environments the dropping of PPC support is certainly problematic. I'm a video editor and many of the FCP plug-ins I've used in the past are PPC...some have upgraded to Intel based code but I always keep the older versions around for when I have to work on older projects (saves time and a TON of headaches to not have to update every little aspect of potentially ancient projects).

I understand the "march of progress" and can see Apple's good reasons for letting legacy support go. But it does make things a lot less simple for many of us who rely on our computers to earn our livings! (I'm also looking forward to, yet also slightly dreading, the overhaul of FCP for many of the same reasons.)

The solution I've resigned myself to is that I'll have to keep some "legacy machines" around running Snow Leopard (and FCP 6/FCS 2) for the occasions when I have to delve back into older projects.

On the bright side, this way of looking at things gives me plenty of justification to have all the machines I have (and I'm thinking of adding a 17" quad-core MBP sometime later this year).

I guess it's always a mixed bag when the newest, latest and greatest rolls out. :)
 
This is a bad bad idea on Apple's part.
Custom software tends to last longer than 5 years and a lot of bussiness still use older custom software because Custom software is VERY expensive to replace.

New programs might not being developed using Rosseta but legacy programs are still in use. Apple should support it for at least 10 years if not longer.

MS supported 16 bit emulation up until windows 64 bit. The 64 bit versions of windows would not emulated a 16 bit CPU but all the 32 bit versions would handle it just fine.
It is not like it requires much support on Apples end.
 
Apple absolutely doesn't want you to think about apps running or not running anymore in Lion. The people who care are the ones who like to micromanage things. In theory, Apple is saying that you don't have to worry about that. Apps will unload and save state when they aren't needed.

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Has nothing to do with micromanaging, if I understand this correctly the OS will save a version/state of my document and quite the application to make memory available for some other task and if I want that document open, do I have to reopen it or will it just has a temporary state of that document in some sort of preview/ quick look representation.

Not sure I the user would appreciate the ability to quite an application if I need more memory rather than the OS decide for me. I do not believe computers have reached that point to decide on something of this nature. :)
 
"There's animations for everything" : "there's no ripple effect." How am I supposed to live without the ripple effect?
 
This is a bad bad idea on Apple's part.
Custom software tends to last longer than 5 years and a lot of bussiness still use older custom software because Custom software is VERY expensive to replace.

New programs might not being developed using Rosseta but legacy programs are still in use. Apple should support it for at least 10 years if not longer.

MS supported 16 bit emulation up until windows 64 bit. The 64 bit versions of windows would not emulated a 16 bit CPU but all the 32 bit versions would handle it just fine.
It is not like it requires much support on Apples end.

Allocation of resources. If a 3rd party developer did not take the time or has no interest to port they software or plug-in to x86/x64, then its not :apple: fault. Trust me I know, I had several 3rd party applications that were running under Classic and guess what I learn to find alternatives even if they did not function the same. I will have the same issue with PPC, however I have already begun the search for replacements, if not write an email to the developer to get they act in gear to support x86/x64.
 
"...There's animations for everything"

PLEASE tell me I can turn these off...

These animation make the feeling and interaction more natural, such as when you swipe between pages in the launchpad or Safari or spaces. If they wouldn't do that it would have felt very jerky.
 
First, and mainly, there's Eudora. There is a large community of Eudora people still, and there's no good substitute. There's MailForge, which may work reliably someday, and there's "Eudora 8," which ... doesn't deserve to be mentioned.

Sadly, and with great reluctance, I moved on from Eudora long ago.
(I use Thunderbird now... but its not nearly as nice as Eudora was.)

But I'd still like to be able to run Eudora and other legacy applications!
Somewhere I still have an old Eudora database of mail messages and
dropping Eudora from Lion will make it very awkward to access those
messages.

Sure wish Qualcomm would just set the Eudora codebase free so some
community-minded programmers could resurrect it as a free application.

Is the new Mail application any good (as compared to Thunderbird)?
 
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So all apps will be able to save and restore state. So if the os quits an app, and you click on the icon, it will restore it. So open and closed has less meaning.

I presume apps with achieve background tasks aren't closed.
 
My father is an attorney, he relies on AppleWorks for 95% of his legal work. He has thousands of files that are in AppleWorks, he needs to be able to run AppleWorks! It is a PowerPC app, he originally ran AppleWorks on his Bondi Blue iMac under OS 9 and then migrated to a 2.16GHz White iMac, which he uses now. For his next computer, we were planning to buy a Sandy Bridge iMac for him, but since Lion is completely dropping PowerPC support, he will not be able to open any of his files in AppleWorks or use AppleWorks anymore at all under Lion, because it is a PowerPC Rosetta app. This is absolutely horrible.
 
I'll hate apple if they do drop PowerPC emulation.
Like all the cool games for mac are compiled only for PowerPC.
AOE II, AoM, Unreal Tournament, Warcraft III ...

You realize that you can partition your HDD to install SL and Lion right. If you have the need to play a game or work on some PPC application, log into the SL partition. Why is this :apple: problem?
 
So far Lion looks OK - just about - but there is absolutely nothing evolutionary or revolutionary in it... Just a collection of various good and not so good tweaks. Hmmm... :cool:

SIGNED!!!

After reading all rumors, news etc. about lion I ask myself.....What's new??? Window resizing? Email Client? Quicktime blabla? Sorry guys but this whole apple politics is BULL2H1T!!! If there would be more stupid apple Hyperfans, they would sell them every week a new OS......next Update: OS AZZH0LE!!! Innovations -> You can make screenshots by pressing F12! WOOOOOW in 2 Weeks we see OS Bigger AZZWh0LE!!! Innovations? The F12 Screenshot Feature moves down to F11! Whoohooo
 
Not sure I the user would appreciate the ability to quite an application if I need more memory rather than the OS decide for me. I do not believe computers have reached that point to decide on something of this nature. :)
No, computers cannot yet swap out memory of apps that are in the background. :rolleyes:
Seriously, for most apps, the OS does a decent job of swapping but some heavy-hitters are better quit manually as the OS does an imperfect guess as to which background app I need most and which background app I need least and because some apps are very reluctant to give up memory (wired memory).
 
So all apps will be able to save and restore state. So if the os quits an app, and you click on the icon, it will restore it. So open and closed has less meaning.

I presume apps with achieve background tasks aren't closed.

Some where complaining because they couldn't tell whether Skype was running or not, and that was extremely important for them to know, hence the running dot had to stay.

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I think there is still a solution even with the running-dot not displayed.

Either way, now that is clarified that is optional I think we all be happy.
 

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My father is an attorney, he relies on AppleWorks for 95% of his legal work. He has thousands of files that are in AppleWorks, he needs to be able to run AppleWorks! It is a PowerPC app, he originally ran AppleWorks on his Bondi Blue iMac under OS 9 and then migrated to a 2.16GHz White iMac, which he uses now. For his next computer, we were planning to buy a Sandy Bridge iMac for him, but since Lion is completely dropping PowerPC support, he will not be able to open any of his files in AppleWorks or use AppleWorks anymore at all under Lion, because it is a PowerPC Rosetta app.
Who says the Sandy Bridge iMacs will arrive after Lion? At all likelihood, they come first and thus will run SL fine. Just get him one of them and stay with SL for the next couple of years.
 
You can call the dashboard as you were doing prior 10.7. You have both the overlapping method and their "page".

Scrollbar can be changed in the preferences.

That is good to know. I had the same reaction of "but calculator needs stuff showing behind".

And I note that they seem to have removed the iTunes dashboard widget altogether! I guess this was the easiest way to fix the crash bugs it has had for the last 6 years :).

I'd really like to know if you can use mouse scroll wheel in dragging files between folders in Finder. This strikes me as desirable every time I drag among folders!
 
Thanks apple. no rosetta means i cant play halo trial, or any of my other games anymore.

I guess i'm not upgrading to lion this summer, which will save me 130$ anyway.
 
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So all apps will be able to save and restore state. So if the os quits an app, and you click on the icon, it will restore it. So open and closed has less meaning.

I presume apps with achieve background tasks aren't closed.

So if I have lets say a Word document open and the OS needs the memory, it will save a state of that document and quite Word. So if I am looking for that document, all I have to do is open Word up again and its open where I left off. What if I have several word documents and text edit documents open and I forgot which ones I was looking for. Under the present instance I would leave it open and get back to it when I desire. Under Lion it might close Word and Text Edit to acquire more memory for other tasks and I will have to open all text software to find out what document I was working on. I am not saying its a bad idea with Lion, all I am stating is that I prefer knowing and having the choice to either launch or quite an application as I please. :)
 
It smells to OS/X and iOS convergence to touchscreen Macs...

That video shows that Apple is unifying OS/X and iOS where it's possible (eg: Launchpad and new Mail).

It seems clear to me that they are preparing OS/X for future Macs with touchscreens! ;-)

As a user and also a developer, that's what I want! A MacBook Air/Pro or even an iMac where I can "turn" the screen and use it as an iPad, running the same Apps.

Nonetheless I believe that will take about 1 or 2 years to happen due to business/commercial strategy. In the last years Apple has shown that they like to keep some innovations in their pockets and do little improvements on each new version, to sell more devices each time they are launched.

But I believe that convergence is the inevitable path...
 
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