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Command Tab is irrelevant. Mac's philosophy of seamless integration and no unnecessary steps is the reason it's products are so seamlessly designed. Having to command tab to see what's running is the windows equivalent of 'Are you sure you want to run this' that we were poking at when Vista first launched.

Not that it matters. It's probably just a build step. I'm sure something better is in the pipeline.

Command Tab is irrelevant? Lol. You do not need to see your running apps at all time. It's not any different than pressing the home button twice on iOS. You'll get over it, buddy.
 
Seems very backwards except for any corner resizing which was copied from multiple OSs and defended by mac rumors posters up until now I'm sure. ;)
 
Don't fix it?
but they're not fixing it. they're making it better.
in iOS you don't get a light indicator of Apps running in the background. Think about it, for example if iTunes is playing music you'll get the small "play" icon in the menu bar, just like it does on iOS devices. [Think Lion = Think Back to the Mac]

Why should I have to do something when lion comes out to get the same effect from doing absolutely nothing now with snow leopard? Just because something is in the "new" iOS devices doesn't mean it's better than what's in the "old" Mac OS platform.
 
Lion is becoming more "just-do" OS. Don't worry about stuff like how much RAM is used, which apps are open, which ones are closed, etc. The apps resume feature will be amazing. No more waiting for something to load (I'm looking at Word bounce like 10 times before I can actually work). Lion won't differentiate what is "running" and what isn't. It'll likely save the app's state in a cache file, which can be used later on instead of reloading. It's much better because you don't have to fully quit the app whenever you close it. It's just saved somewhere on the HD (SSD is the future, but Apple's proprietary kind not the traditional SSD). That'll take some space, but if Apple cleans up code then there will be extra space gained from that.

Imagine you accidentally quit Pages or iPhoto. Instead of re-launching and waiting for it to load again, you can just go back to where you left off. That's super convenient and saves so much time. We're finally moving away form worrying about hardware resources to software resources. Apple is taking some risks but I think it'll all work out.
 
Command Tab is irrelevant? Lol. You do not need to see your running apps at all time. It's not any different than pressing the home button twice on iOS. You'll get over it, buddy.

lol...And you'll get over thinking your opinion reigns supreme. Bottom line is I can't see them getting rid of it as others have suggested, it is most likely getting improved.

But yeah...Very un-apple like.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they completely did away with seeing what programs running. It seems with every version they keep dumbing it down. Pretty soon it'll be like a fisher-price my first computer. :rolleyes:
 
Think how Leopard first looked back in WWDC '06, it looked almost the same as Tiger just with a few Leopard features added, then when the demoed it again in WWDC '07 totally much improved with the new GUI etc. I really think this is just experimental to see how it works, I do like some of the new ideas in Lion, but the light under the icons is very useful, I would like to see whats open, because I dont apps not needed running, even if the machine runs fine. I still prefer to properly close running apps
 
As a gamer i always close Safari, Firefox, iTunes and iPhoto before doing any Steam gaming. Unless you have buckets of ram then it will affect performance. I will miss those blue lights. Hopefully they are being replaced by another feature and not just removed

Pressing F3 (if you have one of those keyboards with icons along the top) will show you any window thats open so that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
 
This is crap.... its just unacceptable! like seriously atleast have it optional...i am not happy having it opening as it left off...i quit programs for a reason and thats for a fresh open when it runs slow!

Apple better be making alot of things optional otherwise i aint gonna upgrade!

Fresh open? It's not going to remain the the RAM forever. I doubt Apple will do that. It's completely stupid unless RAM prices drop like rocks. Most likely, it'll save the application state in some kind of cache and then use that to run the app the next time you open the app instead of a fresh start. Sure it'll take some space, but not like GBs or anything. Probably a few MBs is all it needs for 1 app's cache file.
 
Command Tab is irrelevant? Lol. You do not need to see your running apps at all time. It's not any different than pressing the home button twice on iOS. You'll get over it, buddy.

I just looked down at my dock. Aperture was open, so I closed it. Don't know why it was open, but it was. I didn't need need to do any special keystrokes to look and see. Just had to use my eyes.

Keystrokes may be confusing to lots of mac newcomers. KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid.
 
EDIT: Actually, now that i think about it, this might mean that we'll be quitting apps far more than before. From the sounds of it, it's possible that all apps will have their state saved to disk so you can easily quit it at any time. Sort of like hibernation mode, except that it's for apps, not for the OS. This would be a huge leap over windows. I like the sound of it.

I don't. The feature has existed for many many years. It's called swapping. The problem is that your computer grinds to a halt if it swaps a lot so you want to minimize swapping - not the other way around.
 
I actually noticed the scroll bar and the Dock things listed in the article (and I thought the same thing). I wonder if there will be a way to quit an app like on iOS 4 (double pressing the home button then pressing and holding the app icon to be able to quit them).
 
I don't. The feature has existed for many many years. It's called swapping. The problem is that your computer grinds to a halt if it swaps a lot so you want to minimize swapping - not the other way around.

I'm not talking about that. You misunderstand what i mean. I'm talking about, instead of quitting an app, it saves the state to disk so that when you reopen the app, it most likely will start faster, and put you back exactly where you were. That way you wouldn't have to have all your apps running and taking up your RAM if you don't want them to, and also keep the 50 windows in safari open, but saved to disk for later. It's possible that's what this new "saving" feature is. FYI, i know what swapping is.
 
Here's my prediction.

I think when you press the red cross now it will actually close the application fully. Then when you click it on the dock again it will open instantly from the "autosave" it took when you closed the app so it will be like you never closed it but it wouldn't hog resources in the background.

Something like that... That way you don't even need the lights.
 
I just looked down at my dock. Aperture was open, so I closed it. Don't know why it was open, but it was. I didn't need need to do any special keystrokes to look and see. Just had to use my eyes.

Keystrokes may be confusing to lots of mac newcomers. Keep it simple, stupid.
I just swiped four fingers and got access to all of my applications. I just command-tabbed and got to all of my applications. Again, you do not need to see your running applications at all times. So keep it simple and clean, stupid.
 
The apps resume feature will be amazing. No more waiting for something to load (I'm looking at Word bounce like 10 times before I can actually work). Lion won't differentiate what is "running" and what isn't. It'll likely save the app's state in a cache file, which can be used later on instead of reloading.

Most likely, it'll save the application state in some kind of cache and then use that to run the app the next time you open the app instead of a fresh start. Sure it'll take some space, but not like GBs or anything. Probably a few MBs is all it needs for 1 app's cache file.

Either the cache is a small file and the app has to completely reload then use that small cache to resume where it was OR the cache is a giant file and uses the virtual memory system to resume the app for instant resume. Your posts seem to indicate Apple will have the advantages of both approaches, which is impossible; You cannot have a state cache which is both instant and small.
 
I don't. The feature has existed for many many years. It's called swapping. The problem is that your computer grinds to a halt if it swaps a lot so you want to minimize swapping - not the other way around.

Nope it's not. Not swapping in RAM, but swapping in the proprietary SSD (MBA one) that Apple will put in future Macs. It's like a stick of RAM remember? SSD will essentially become "RAM". Or rather, when you exit the app it will save it's current state to a cache file of some sort onto the SSD or HD. Then when it is opened again, it will start from that cache. Before, you wanted to minimize swapping because flash was expensive as heck. Now, prices are dropping but Apple's proprietary SSD is even cheaper due to lack of certain components found in traditional SSDs. I think Apple will have their special SSD that is currently in the MBAs in all the Macs. Transfer speeds will be as fast as RAM and most of your data will be stored in the cloud in iDisk or something similar to that.
 
Pressing F3 (if you have one of those keyboards with icons along the top) will show you any window thats open so that shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Closing windows of itunes safari etc does not quit the application
 
But... apps info is already being saved in "cache" - Inactive memory. Try opening photoshop after a fresh restart and after closing it to see the difference.

Saving to a HD doesn't sound any better than loading that same app from the HD all over again.

As for no light indicator in the dock.. it's definitely inconvenient. =/
 
Either the cache is a small file and the app has to completely reload then use that small cache to resume where it was OR the cache is a giant file and uses the virtual memory system to resume the app for instant resume. Your posts seem to indicate Apple will have the advantages of both, which is impossible.

First part is correct. That's what I believe but I could be wrong since no one has Lion except the high execs at Apple. Remember, Apple wants to put SSDs in all the Macs. No way would they develop that MBA SSD just for the MBA. Apple likes to cycle technology. Retina display first came on the iPhone 4, then iPod touch and probably iPad 2. Same thing with the A4 chip. iPsd, iPhone and then iPod touch. They don't develop one thing and just let one product have that technology. Remember the unibody chassis? Glass multitouch trackpad? Touchscreen? Apple knows SSDs are expensive but are the future of computers.
 
But... apps info is already being saved in "cache" - Inactive memory. Try opening photoshop after a fresh restart and after closing it to see the difference.

Saving to a HD doesn't sound any better than loading that same app from the HD all over again.

As for no light indicator in the dock.. it's definitely inconvenient. =/

Actually, it is better. Loading from the HD also involves going through lines of code once everything is loaded. This way, all it has to do is load, and it's done.
 
From what we've learned from the past: is there any expectation when they'll be releasing their first dev preview?
 
Pressing F3 (if you have one of those keyboards with icons along the top) will show you any window thats open so that shouldn't be too much of a problem.

I do. But i use spaces however. I like to give iTunes and iPhoto their own spaces. So i would have to activate spaces first. Plus pressing f3 doesn't show hidden apps. :)
 
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