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Mac OS X Snow Leopard Build 10A432 Designated 'Golden Master'

I downloaded the seed note relating to 10A432 and it still refers to 10A432 as pre-release:

This Snow Leopard Developer Preview Update includes general operating system fixes for stability, compatibility, and security.

As this is a pre-release build, it is not advisable to use this software on a production system with information on it that you depend on for your business.

Please be aware that you will not be able to revert back to your previous system after updating. Please install this update on a system you are prepared to erase if necessary.
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If it were GM, then it wouldn't be referring to it as a pre-release; its heading into the final stretch but given Apple said September, I don't see them hitting it before then.

As for manufacturing - it is done all around the world; in the Asia-Pacific region it is done in Singapore.

J the Ninja said:
Yes, it only matters that you get a 64 bit kernel. 64bit support for apps (which you get) is totally worthless, although it is almost certainly where you need the extra RAM.
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I wouldn't call it totally worthless but for now, it isn't really relevant for most people. With that being said, there are security benefits of 64bit binaries.
 
J the Ninja said:
Yes, it only matters that you get a 64 bit kernel. 64bit support for apps (which you get) is totally worthless, although it is almost certainly where you need the extra RAM.
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It will be interesting to see how Apple pitches the 64-bit support in 10.6.

If there's an ad saying "64-bit: Faster, More Secure" then I'd be pretty upset at the fine print that says "except your Santa Rosa".

Especially when you can dual-boot into true 64-bit on Windows on the same MacBook.....
 
matticus008 said:
Silent? Hardly. Per Apple's website, Snow Leopard is available to Tiger users in the $169 box set with iLife and iWork. There's no need for speculation.
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That option is available, we know. Apple hasn’t exactly come out and said that this is the way for Tiger users to upgrade to SL.

It's $30 more expensive, but you get far more than the OS.
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Not if you already have the latest versions of iLife and iWork, you don’t.

Or if you don’t need them. If you use Word, PowerPoint, and Excel, then upgrades to Pages, Keynote, and Numbers are absolutely worthless to you.

If Apple tells Tiger users who already have the latest versions of iLife and iWork to buy them again in order to get Snow Leopard, there is going to be a firestorm in the media, and justifiably so, even if it affects a relatively small number of users.
 
PetRock said:
That option is available, we know. Apple hasn’t exactly come out and said that this is the way for Tiger users to upgrade to SL.
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From the Apple website:


Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger.
If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, purchase the Mac Box Set (when available), which is a single, affordable package that includes Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard; iLife ’09, with the latest versions of iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, and iDVD; and iWork ’09, Apple’s productivity suite for home and office including Pages, Numbers, and Keynote.
 
moronic

man some people have nothing better to do than bellow ill-informed nonsense on forums.

here's the deal people, Snow Leopard hasnt been released yet. when it is, *ALL* macs containing 64-bit Intel CPUs will be able to run 64-bit applications, and *most* will be running 64-bit clean (ie 64-bit kernel and kexts). thereafter, apple will most likely issue updates (both EFI firmware and kexts containing 64-bit binaries) which will bring more macs to the 'pure 64-bit' party.

ysee, running the 64-bit kernel *requires* ALL of the drivers (kernel extensions or kexts) to be 64-bit. Apple simply hasnt had the time to port everything to run natively in 64-bit yet.

and, im told, the other piece of the puzzle is EFI - some older Macs (eg first-gen Mac Pro) may require a firmware update to run the 64-bit kernel.

so how I see this panning out:

* 10.6 comes out, running pure 64-bit on *most* macs

* very early in its life, either at launch or shortly after, Software Updates will become available to get the last of the 64-bit macs running the 64-bit kernel. (maybe this will be the focus of 10.6.1).

* 10.7 will be targetted for a 2011 release, and will be 64-bit only, thus completing yet another transition for Apple. but thats just a guess really.
 
i don't share your outlook that Apple will release EFI updates bringing other macs (see: 2006 mac pro) up to date and able to run 64 bit kernel. Apple just doesn't do this.
 
mungler said:
thereafter, apple will most likely issue updates (both EFI firmware and kexts containing 64-bit binaries) which will bring more macs to the 'pure 64-bit' party.
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Those are not very reassuring words - "most likely" "more" 64-bit Apples will be able to run true 64-bit?
 
mungler said:
man some people have nothing better to do than bellow ill-informed nonsense on forums.

here's the deal people, Snow Leopard hasnt been released yet. when it is, *ALL* macs containing 64-bit Intel CPUs will be able to run 64-bit applications, and *most* will be running 64-bit clean (ie 64-bit kernel and kexts). thereafter, apple will most likely issue updates (both EFI firmware and kexts containing 64-bit binaries) which will bring more macs to the 'pure 64-bit' party.

ysee, running the 64-bit kernel *requires* ALL of the drivers (kernel extensions or kexts) to be 64-bit. Apple simply hasnt had the time to port everything to run natively in 64-bit yet.

and, im told, the other piece of the puzzle is EFI - some older Macs (eg first-gen Mac Pro) may require a firmware update to run the 64-bit kernel.

so how I see this panning out:

* 10.6 comes out, running pure 64-bit on *most* macs

* very early in its life, either at launch or shortly after, Software Updates will become available to get the last of the 64-bit macs running the 64-bit kernel. (maybe this will be the focus of 10.6.1).

* 10.7 will be targetted for a 2011 release, and will be 64-bit only, thus completing yet another transition for Apple. but thats just a guess really.
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I agree. Apple needs to meet a deadline. They said September and *most* people who can only run the 32bit Kernel probably won't even notice (unless they're on this forum regularly) and that will give Apple some more time to work on bringing the older 64bit Macs up-to-date.
 
bozz2006 said:
i don't share your outlook that Apple will release EFI updates bringing other macs (see: 2006 mac pro) up to date and able to run 64 bit kernel. Apple just doesn't do this.
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If the first gen. Mac Pro would get an EFI Update (64Bit), you would also have to use a graphics card with another firmware.

I doubt that EFI64 is really a need to boot a 64Bit Kernel. Where is it written? Facts?
 
here's the deal people, Snow Leopard hasnt been released yet. when it is, *ALL* macs containing 64-bit Intel CPUs will be able to run 64-bit applications, and *most* will be running 64-bit clean (ie 64-bit kernel and kexts). thereafter, apple will most likely issue updates (both EFI firmware and kexts containing 64-bit binaries) which will bring more macs to the 'pure 64-bit' party.

Keep Dreaming Dude. Apple will not update those old macs. They would have to write drivers for Intel GMA - It is not going to happen.

ysee, running the 64-bit kernel *requires* ALL of the drivers (kernel extensions or kexts) to be 64-bit. Apple simply hasnt had the time to port everything to run natively in 64-bit yet.

They should not release this if it is not ready. They control the hardware and the software on their own machines and still can't write drivers for everything. Nice.

and, im told, the other piece of the puzzle is EFI - some older Macs (eg first-gen Mac Pro) may require a firmware update to run the 64-bit kernel.

so how I see this panning out:

* 10.6 comes out, running pure 64-bit on *most* macs

* very early in its life, either at launch or shortly after, Software Updates will become available to get the last of the 64-bit macs running the 64-bit kernel. (maybe this will be the focus of 10.6.1).

* 10.7 will be targetted for a 2011 release, and will be 64-bit only, thus completing yet another transition for Apple. but thats just a guess really.
 
German said:
If the first gen. Mac Pro would get an EFI Update (64Bit), you would also have to use a graphics card with another firmware.

I doubt that EFI64 is really a need to boot a 64Bit Kernel. Where is it written? Facts?
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I don't believe it's written. and i don't believe that running the 64 bit kernel *requires* 64 bit EFI. I don't think so. But, as the dude said who I was responding to, bringing the 2006 mac pro up to date and capable of loading 64 bit kernel would require drivers to be re-written. so we owners of antique (less than 2 year old) mac pros are, as of now, left in the cold in this regard. and apple just has a track record of not updating drivers. past examples are the best indicator of future behavior, so forgive me for thinking that apple won't do this for folks like me. I'm not real upset about it. and the stuff that irks me is basically just the principle of the matter. however, i feel that i'm going to be *stuck* running kernel 32 on my machine. again, just speculation, but based on apple's behavior in the past. i hope they update drivers for the 2006 mac pro, but i'm not holding my breath.

edit: also, I'm using the apple version of the radeon 4870, so it actually has the 64 bit EFI on it as well. but, being able to run 64 bit apps currently is done with a hack (PAE), so it's quite conceivable that they could write a hack that would make old and new cards useable, no?
 
It was just a technical question...

bozz2006 said:
edit: also, I'm using the apple version of the radeon 4870, so it actually has the 64 bit EFI on it as well.
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I guess you will have a version with a firmware for the 32Bit EFI.
https://www.macrumors.com/2008/04/0...ting-for-nvidia-8800gt-option-due-next-month/

but, being able to run 64 bit apps currently is done with a hack (PAE),
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Thats wrong. The CPU is running in 64Bit (compatiblity) Mode and is able to execute real 64Bit Apps (Userland). Your Kernel is still 32Bit.
 
Has anyone notice anything changed with this version?
bug fixes or any performance issues?
I want to know if i can clean install this
 
i dont really want to continue this particular run in the special olympics, but what the hell..

@AidenShaw: im not here to reassure anyone, sorry.

@AppleMatt: i acknowledge fully that what i posted was speculation. at this stage, everything anyone outside apple posts on the topic is speculation, by definition, since Snow Leopard ISN'T OUT YET, and Apple havent yet directly tackled these questions.

@German: its certainly possible that the gfx firmware might need upgraded. i hadnt considered that, thanks. also, im not certain EFI needs to be updated to boot in 64-bit, so maybe its a non-issue on that front.

@mmoran27: is that you, Mike? you hater you ;)


well anyways, the salient point is that all 64-bit Macs will be able to run 64-bit apps under Snow Leopard.

my logic for thinking Apple will bring the older 64-bit macs up to date over the course of Snow Leopard's life is that it would be logical for 10.7 to be 64-bit only, reducing further the amount of code they need to maintain, and completing yet another transition that the rest of the industry cant seem to manage. maybe im optimistic in thinking it'll happen early on. maybe it wont happen until near the time 10.7 is released.

put it this way, which of these scenarios do you think is more likely for 10.7's system requirements:

'An intel-based Macintosh with a 64-bit Processor'

or

'An intel-based Macintosh with a 64-bit Processor which isnt a first-generation Mac Pro, a Santa Rosa MacBook Pro, a MacBook...... etc etc'

I mean, I may be wrong, and I realise 10.7 is a long way off, but it just seems logical to me. The only casualties would be the Yonah based iMacs and MacBook Pros from 2006, cos they're 32-bit.
 
mungler said:
put it this way, which of these scenarios do you think is more likely for 10.7's system requirements:

'An intel-based Macintosh with a 64-bit Processor'

or

'An intel-based Macintosh with a 64-bit Processor which isnt a first-generation Mac Pro, a Santa Rosa MacBook Pro, a MacBook...... etc etc'
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Honestly? I think the latter is more likely.

I'd put the odds at better than 50-50 that only OpenCL capable machines will be supported.

It's about 2 years until 10.7, so anything on sale now could be called obsolete by then. Certainly anything sold in 2008 could be abandoned, leaving only the Nvidia laptop-based systems and the Nehalem Mac Pro.
 
German said:
Originally Posted by AidenShaw
Certainly anything sold in 2008 could be abandoned, leaving only the Nvidia laptop-based systems and the Nehalem Mac Pro.​

Don't forget the mac mini (Nvidia).
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The Mac Mini and the iMac use laptop components - they're covered by "laptop-based systems".
 
AidenShaw said:
The Mac Mini and the iMac use laptop components - they're covered by "laptop-based systems".
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You might as well just say 9400M G based systems. Apple is making that the gold standard for supported hardware under Snow Leopard. You don't have that, too bad.
 
I've got an ATI Radeon 4870 in my first gen Mac Pro... does that mean that my machine might be supported in the future?
 
Eidorian said:
You might as well just say 9400M G based systems. Apple is making that the gold standard for supported hardware under Snow Leopard. You don't have that, too bad.
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By 2011, the 9400M G systems will be bottom of the barrel, with only some of the new features working on them. They'll be the "Core Solos" of the supported lineup. The 2011 Apple lineup will have embedded graphics with power comparable to today's SLI dual card setups, with additional CUDA/OpenCL features.

Unless Apple users stage a "virtual riot" over the treatment of late model G5 systems (no support) and early to mid Intel Core 2 systems (partial 64-bit support), that is.

If Apple gets away with it with 10.6, it wouldn't be surprising for similar or more aggressive obsolescence to happen with 10.7.
 
AidenShaw said:
By 2011, the 9400M G systems will be bottom of the barrel, with only some of the new features working on them. They'll be the "Core Solos" of the supported lineup. The 2011 Apple lineup will have embedded graphics with power comparable to today's SLI dual card setups, with additional CUDA/OpenCL features.

Unless Apple users stage a "virtual riot" over the treatment of late model G5 systems (no support) and early to mid Intel Core 2 systems (partial 64-bit support), that is.

If Apple gets away with it with 10.6, it wouldn't be surprising for similar or more aggressive obsolescence to happen with 10.7.
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To be honest the 9400M G brings unified/programmable shaders across the lines and video hardware acceleration.

Anything more is just doing GPU work faster. It's a base standard and hopefully Apple won't drop it.
 
PetRock said:
That option is available, we know. Apple hasn’t exactly come out and said that this is the way for Tiger users to upgrade to SL.
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They absolutely did, at the keynote and on their website, which even after having the link handed to you, you ignore.
If Apple tells Tiger users who already have the latest versions of iLife and iWork to buy them again in order to get Snow Leopard[...]
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Neither of them is even Tiger-compatible, so it's a non-issue, affecting zero users except those who bought software they couldn't install in the first place.

Honestly, did you bother to check any of your facts before posting, or are you just trolling? None of this is a recent development or buried in some dark corner. Ten seconds on Google would have avoided the whole thing.
matthewmyates said:
From the Apple website:
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Exactly.
 
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