Neil321
macrumors 68040
Ah sorry i musta missed the family pack bit,so what don't you expect not to work once you upgrade ?
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Ah sorry i musta missed the family pack bit,so what don't you expect not to work once you upgrade ?
flyinmac
macrumors 68040
Mostly iMovie HD 6. I just can't get what I want out of iMovie '08. I can spend as much time in iMovie '08 as I want, and I still cannot get the level of refinement and quality out of a movie that I can with iMovie HD 6.
I know that iMovie '08 is fine for quick clips. But, honestly, I don't even need iMovie at all for that. My camera will make those and I just copy them to the computer.
I want full production features like iMovie 6. Basically, I get to stay with the kids all day (since I no-longer have to work). And, I like to get footage of them to send to the grandparents who live in other states and rarely get to see them.
The grandparents obviously are not spending time on the Internet and playing with YouTube (or other online video sites). So, I have to send it to them as a DVD.
Additionally, I am maintaining a library of sorts to give to each of the kids when they get older. Something that they can keep and share with their families as they have them.
So, I want something a bit more "polished" than a web video.
Things like their first time rolling over, crawling, eating, whatever. And, kind of a progress thing that shows the milestones. I don't walk around with a camera all day. But, I try to capture a little bit of their accomplishments on tape and move it to video.
I think it will be something that they'll enjoy when they're adults. And, I know the grandparents who don't get to see them enjoy getting to have a way to see them as they grow up.
I'm not about to ask that many grandparents (they have a lot - huge family with incredible longevity) to learn the Internet. So, I used DVD's.
And, I keep DVD copies for us and each of the kids. Figuring that as we get older, we might want to reflect back once in a while. And, a few copies to send with each of the kids when they leave home (or perhaps when they get old enough that they would appreciate them).
So, iMovie 6 seems to be what I can do what I want in. I just end up spinning in unproductive circles with iMovie '08. I just can't get what I want out of it. Instead, I've gotten a lot of garbage.
For webclips, I can just go straight from the camera to the web. Or, if I need to trim something down, use Quicktime Pro. I do that anytime I want to send something crazy to my wife while she's out of town (she travels a lot - a couple times a week). I'll send her something funny to show her what we're doing as we mess around here. Something to make her homesick you know 😉
So, I'm really hoping that iMovie HD 6 will survive the transition. Or, I'm hoping that enough of us have complained that Apple will make rename iMovie '08 to be iTube (or similar) and bring iMovie HD 6 back as a full featured iMovie '09.
Otherwise, the majority of programs I use are Open Source and Unix variants.
I think besides iLife, the only other paid program I have on my machine is Adobe Photoshop.
I keep my other expensive stuff on my Windows machine (yeah, I know... Bad... Evil... Hiss... Hiss...). But, Some things I hate upgrading so much, so I keep it in Windows where things remain a constant. So, there I keep using 5 year old stuff. But, that's mostly for my studio recording stuff (another hobby). And, besides, it's not like I need a new program to capture music from external sources. I just need it to capture what I send it. So, that stuff does quite well in Windows (regardless of age).
I use my Mac Pro mainly for Video stuff and daily use things. I do my photo stuff on it. Put together my videos. And, whatever else I mess with on any given day.
I use the PC to record music, burn music to CD's, or convert finished music to MP3 format if I wish. It's got a small mixer that feeds into it, and then I just plug whatever I want into the mixer. The audio stuff on the PC is used to capture it, and then edit it as needed to filter out any anomalies that may be there.
I can only justify paying for so many new versions of things. So, Windows is my friend when it comes to being able to update and yet keep using my software as my programs grow ancient.
With the Mac, I try and keep as much stuff Open Source as I can so I have fewer things to repurchase as Apple updates OS X.
But, iMovie 6 is one that I fear that there won't be a comparable successor for (since Apple went a whole new direction with iMovie '08).
Perhaps it sounds a bit crazy. But, iMovie 6 could be enough to keep me in the past if it's not compatible with the future.
I truly hope that Apple will have heard the complaints, and re-introduce iMovie HD 6 as an updated version. I believe iMovie '08 has a place. But, not as a successor to iMovie HD 6.
Neil321
macrumors 68040
To be honest i'm not into photo or movie editing so i dont use iLife that much and when i do its for iWeb,but what i do know is that your not the only one who thinks 08 was a step backwards compared to 06 not that helps but i have answered a question of yours in the windows on the Mac section of the forum so that may help
flyinmac
macrumors 68040
Hey, thanks for that. Asked you one follow up question there. Appreciate your time.
Yeah I got it illegally too, just to see if had improved on any of the speed issues that were annoying me on Tiger and Leopard. Because Steve said that this is a optimization release I was looking for actual factual noticeable changes, not theoretical improvements that when properly formatted on a checkboxed spread sheet will make geeks wet their pants.
So far it improves nothing that I as a consumer can feel. In fact so far I only experienced it being much, much slower. For some reason expose is now choppy too and some third party programs are acting weird. Quicktime doesn't seem a lick better and neither does Safari. Mostly I wanted to check out if the the notoriously slow disk speeds of OSX and the unfairly large memory footprints had been improved noticeably, but no, at least not yet.
As some people said it is a developers preview so it was made solely for them to be able to test out new technologies like Grand Central, but I was hoping at least some of the optimizations had been implemented in the release, you know, so I could get exited about 10.6 as an ordinary consumer, but so far no dice.
Next illegal release then. Since I just downloaded out of curiosity I took a timemachine backup of my old version and will be going back to it.
So far it improves nothing that I as a consumer can feel. In fact so far I only experienced it being much, much slower. For some reason expose is now choppy too and some third party programs are acting weird. Quicktime doesn't seem a lick better and neither does Safari. Mostly I wanted to check out if the the notoriously slow disk speeds of OSX and the unfairly large memory footprints had been improved noticeably, but no, at least not yet.
As some people said it is a developers preview so it was made solely for them to be able to test out new technologies like Grand Central, but I was hoping at least some of the optimizations had been implemented in the release, you know, so I could get exited about 10.6 as an ordinary consumer, but so far no dice.
Next illegal release then. Since I just downloaded out of curiosity I took a timemachine backup of my old version and will be going back to it.
flyinmac
macrumors 68040
Would be a bit funny if Apple's Time Machine detected the pirate copy and deleted everything 😉
So after several people in this thread have pointed out exactly why it would be slow and buggy, you felt the need to post the exact same complaints as the OP. Wow, just wow you are my new hero.
PS please post more about stealing
Indeed old chaps, I did only to annoy you, yes, because it is delightfully evil, see. I steal too, and plenty of it, programs, music, movies you name it I stole it old boy. I know I shouldn't, but darn it, it is so delightfully easy and evil.
Guess what lads, that next 10.6 release, I am going to steal that one too, and complain that it is still slow and buggy, I wasn't going to at first, but you have pointed out how evil and frightful wrong it is and have thus convinced me otherwise.
flyinmac
macrumors 68040
As the moderators log his IP address, user profile, e-mail address, and other relevant information 😀
AppleMatt
macrumors 68000
No. Look at the content of the original post. If you worked at Apple would you find that helpful?
Devs aren't 'paying for the beta', they're paying for access to a suite of tools, code and support (along with a hardware discount...).
AppleMatt
Catfish_Man
macrumors 68030
Wellllll... actually, given how many times there's been things we needed to fix before it shipped, paying for prereleases makes a good deal of sense. Charging for prereleases, on the other hand, doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Apple. All it does is ensure that a lot of open source projects won't be properly prepared. :/
tip
macrumors 6502
Nice edit of your original post. Why did you cut out "I went to WWDC all psyched for 3g and 10.6 and well I got home with dev copy in hand"? And of course, a Google search on "superman193" reveals a bit more information, including your name.
You might want to be a bit more tactful of what you post. Or at the very least, honor the terms of your NDA.
You might want to be a bit more tactful of what you post. Or at the very least, honor the terms of your NDA.
ayeying
macrumors 601
Well, I've got a copy of it (legally from a friend who attended the WWDC) and installed it on my macbook air.
First off, it looks the same as Leopard with a few minor GUI changes. Stability has improved DRASTICALLY. I can feel the system "faster" then Leopard. I don't understand how its "Vista" all over again, I haven't seen anything I didn't like (that aren't bugs).
There are a few bugs (obviously), most noticeable is Mail.app. Apparently, whenever I click the red orb then try and reopening Mail.app, the window size and layout are reset. If I minimize or quit/restart the app, it doesn't reset.
Anyways, I see apple's on a good track to success on 10.6.
Furthermore, I noticed Parallels, All Builds and VMWare Fusion (Including Beta 1) does not work in 10.6.
Edit: Another bug, the icons doesn't entirely render sometimes. It'll show then all of a sudden disappear then reappear after reopening finder.
First off, it looks the same as Leopard with a few minor GUI changes. Stability has improved DRASTICALLY. I can feel the system "faster" then Leopard. I don't understand how its "Vista" all over again, I haven't seen anything I didn't like (that aren't bugs).
There are a few bugs (obviously), most noticeable is Mail.app. Apparently, whenever I click the red orb then try and reopening Mail.app, the window size and layout are reset. If I minimize or quit/restart the app, it doesn't reset.
Anyways, I see apple's on a good track to success on 10.6.
Furthermore, I noticed Parallels, All Builds and VMWare Fusion (Including Beta 1) does not work in 10.6.
Edit: Another bug, the icons doesn't entirely render sometimes. It'll show then all of a sudden disappear then reappear after reopening finder.
Neil321
macrumors 68040
I hope joking because this is gonna screw a lot of people myself included,hope this gets sorted before release
Fry-man22
macrumors 6502
I'm under no NDA and I downloaded 10.6 in about 1.5 days. It is fast, I don't care what the Op says. In xbench benchmarks the processor is roughly 33%(!!!!) faster on CPU tests. This is on a single threaded benchmark, you wouldn't think the OS would make that much difference (difference in Tiger and Leopard is ~3%) so they are apparently really doing something different to distribute the load between the two cores (saw both of the almost maxed).
Yes when you get to one of the perf panes they have not written in 64-bit yet you have to restart in 32-bit mode, but these (I'd assume) will be recompiled before the release (in a YEAR for gosh sakes, it's faster and a year away). Since they are making the switch to 64bit at such a system wide level this will push app developers to adopt x64 faster IMO.
I'm dual booting Tiger and Leopard (10.5) right now because frankly Tiger feels faster on my MBP. Leopard has a much more consistent and polished UI, but it feels there is a cost in the implementation of these features at the moment. Once they have firmed up the foundation (Snow Leopard) under the Leopard UI it will really be a great OS to use. I do find I miss some of the Leopard touches under Tiger (blue/white grid lines in finder list view, a Lock Icon to denote Wireless network security, little things).
Leopard is cool but I am a bit excited about the potential of the next release.
Yes when you get to one of the perf panes they have not written in 64-bit yet you have to restart in 32-bit mode, but these (I'd assume) will be recompiled before the release (in a YEAR for gosh sakes, it's faster and a year away). Since they are making the switch to 64bit at such a system wide level this will push app developers to adopt x64 faster IMO.
I'm dual booting Tiger and Leopard (10.5) right now because frankly Tiger feels faster on my MBP. Leopard has a much more consistent and polished UI, but it feels there is a cost in the implementation of these features at the moment. Once they have firmed up the foundation (Snow Leopard) under the Leopard UI it will really be a great OS to use. I do find I miss some of the Leopard touches under Tiger (blue/white grid lines in finder list view, a Lock Icon to denote Wireless network security, little things).
Leopard is cool but I am a bit excited about the potential of the next release.
Catfish_Man
macrumors 68030
No idea what you're seeing there. SL is definitely developer preview material in my testing (i.e. not particularly stable).
Also, Fry-man: Xbench is almost useless.
Catfish_Man
macrumors 68030
ayeying
macrumors 601
Nope, not joking. It doesn't work, just screws me over too cause I need it for virtual machines.
Its not stable for everyday use, I agree to that, but its pretty stable.
Fry-man22
macrumors 6502
Useless or not, it's useless to the same degree in 10.4 and 10.5 but in 10.6 it's 33% MORE useless 🙂. My point is even if the test is not a good indication of real world performance, it is still an indication of the speed the same app code, running on the same hardware seems to receive from the different OS. once again this difference is not very great between 10.4-10.5 so I still believe they have the potential to provide some pretty good performance given that this is a year out.
