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Mac OS X 'Snow Leopard' Features and Parallel Computing
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Same here, but the biggest jump in speed was my wife's G4 mac mini. My dual G5 and all our Intel laptops benefited, but not as noticeably as our little mac mini.
This seems plausible because, we already paid for Leopard and Snow Leopard is an extension (rework, optimization, whatever) of Leopard so hypothetically we should get a skewed pricing, as for Tiger users, $129.
Acknowledging that this is all total speculation, wouldn't that require Apple to sell a separate "upgrade" disk and "install" disk? I mean, how does Apple know if you're already running Leopard? Have they ever done something like that before? And would the "upgrade" disk refuse to install on a blank disk or partition, but require an already installed Leopard system? I think they wouldn't want these complications, and would just set a single price, whatever it is, for the release.
whining about price of snow leopard
You people crack me up. You are whining about a complete mature operating system that works for the cost of two gas fill ups of your SUV. Nothing will please you.
You people crack me up. You are whining about a complete mature operating system that works for the cost of two gas fill ups of your SUV. Nothing will please you.
Who wants to pay money for a product that should've been done right first time? Times are tough.
To be honest I'm not quite sure which is the big push, the iPhone or the enterprise. One could say that the enterprise features added have been there to aid iPhone/Macbook adoption, but with the addition of their Outlook compatible calendar/mail/address book synchronization, I don't think it's too far a jump to see them making a more aggressive attack on Windows Server SBE in general.
They already do that now. Like the people who got leopard for 9.95 got the upgrade cd which requires 10.5.x or previous of osx in order to install. They did this on earlier version of osx as well. While they're are always ways around these things, that is not really the point. ^_~
I am completely fine with a 129$ or a 50 something price. ^_^
The product is done right the first time. Apple never promised these under the hood changes in 10.6 for 10.5. The features they promised for 10.5 they did deliver. This is not a bugfix upgrade to 10.5. If you can't see how much engineering time will spent on these 10.6 changes... I think this will be the best X release ever. Full featured multi core support and GPU computing, these are completely new technologies. I can't wait.
I'm on a 2.33 C2D MacBookPro with 3gB RAM. Not sure what is up.
I also definitely agree with stability issues. But, I guess that comes with the territory for new OS'. The thing that KILLED me was how long it took Apple to address the WiFi dropout issue. That made my comp pretty useless for a while.
I give Apple a big round of applause... Also, there was a link on this furom that gave an apple page that was taken down, then put back, but maybe taken again about Snow Lepoard running exchange server right out of the box. And it showed a picture of the exchange server software. I say yeah.
1. Mac running Windows apps natively without the need for fusion or parallels.
2. Mac making further in roads to the enterprise level.
Oh wait, I get it now.... Windows 7 is really OS X 10.7
http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/
Incase they take it down again:
Snow Leopard includes out-of-the-box support for Microsoft Exchange 2007 built into Mail, Address Book, and iCal. Mac OS X uses the Exchange Web Services protocol to provide access to Exchange Server 2007. Because Exchange is supported on your Mac and iPhone, youll be able to use them anywhere with full access to your email, contacts, and calendar.
They changed the wording... it used to read "Snow Leapord will run Exchanged server right out of the box"
Either someone should proof read, or they are trying to hide a leaked NDA?
1. Mac running Windows apps natively without the need for fusion or parallels.
2. Mac making further in roads to the enterprise level.
Oh wait, I get it now.... Windows 7 is really OS X 10.7
http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/
Incase they take it down again:
Snow Leopard includes out-of-the-box support for Microsoft Exchange 2007 built into Mail, Address Book, and iCal. Mac OS X uses the Exchange Web Services protocol to provide access to Exchange Server 2007. Because Exchange is supported on your Mac and iPhone, youll be able to use them anywhere with full access to your email, contacts, and calendar.
They changed the wording... it used to read "Snow Leapord will run Exchanged server right out of the box"Either someone should proof read, or they are trying to hide a leaked NDA?
make that 2 fillups of my hyundai elantra 4-cyl. I got gas today and it cost me $50. Gas is now $4.10 a gallon...10.6 is supposed to be a new version, not a service pack. try buying a new version of Windows for under $200 (even the upgrade is about $199). The problem with Windows upgrades is, the upgrade gives you the look of the new system, but runs majority of the old code, therefore more bloat. to install effectively, you have to buy the full version and format your drive.
i'm just praying they manage to get it right...
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Don't know about time machine because I don't have an HD to backup my files (I think I'll really use it when i find the money to buy one), but you can't even imagine how much working with two monitors and spaces in my macbook pro has increased my workflow, i mean if had to return to tiger right now i will be pretty pissed about leaving spaces, it's an incredible feature, in my opinion.
Anyway, i love to see
focusing on performance and parallel computing, as someone said earlier i think multi-cores will be the future of personal computers and so i can live without new features for a while (we have really great ones already) and i wouldn't mind paying the full 129$ for Snow Leopard at all (although i would certainly love to get it for ). In fact as another person said earlier i can see SL being OS XI 11.0 rather then just an OS X point release, because of the possibilities it opens when we're talking about creating the base foundations to a new OS and to a completely renewed computing experience.
Don't know about time machine because I don't have an HD to backup my files (I think I'll really use it when i find the money to buy one), but you can't even imagine how much working with two monitors and spaces in my macbook pro has increased my workflow, i mean if had to return to tiger right now i will be pretty pissed about leaving spaces, it's an incredible feature, in my opinion.
Anyway, i love to see
focusing on performance and parallel computing, as someone said earlier i think multi-cores will be the future of personal computers and so i can live without new features for a while (we have really great ones already) and i wouldn't mind paying the full 129$ for Snow Leopard at all (although i would certainly love to get it for ). In fact as another person said earlier i can see SL being OS XI 11.0 rather then just an OS X point release, because of the possibilities it opens when we're talking about creating the base foundations to a new OS and to a completely renewed computing experience.
Don't know about time machine because I don't have an HD to backup my files (I think I'll really use it when i find the money to buy one), but you can't even imagine how much working with two monitors and spaces in my macbook pro has increased my workflow, i mean if had to return to tiger right now i will be pretty pissed about leaving spaces, it's an incredible feature, in my opinion.
Anyway, i love to see
Majority of the so called "features" were part of *nix, Solaris has workplaces, which taken by
and rebranded as "Spaces." Again not complaining, just comparing. All has done thus far is charge for features that other OS have had for years and now they are pulling this stunt of offering one OS upgrade with features and another with stability and performance. If this is the case OS 10.7 will bring in features and OS 10.8 will bring in performance and stability. is double charging its customer base for half-complete products, or either subsidizing the OS in this manner as $129 is not much when they are giving free with new computer purchases along with other goodies.Something tells me that the cost to maintain PPC and Intel version of OS X is getting costly including the iPhone OS.
If people buy into this as a full upgrade they are fooling themselves and
has just proven that it can sucker its user base. kernel changes vs version XI
"Apple could be doing something really drastic at the kernel layer to improve scalability, possibly a major overhaul to incorporate very different technology. However I think this would become known as Mac OS XI, rather than a point release."
Maybe, maybe not, Mac OS 8.6 had some major changes to the microkernel compared to 8.5, but was still a minor (and no-cost?) update. Does the user see the difference is probably the difference.
"Apple could be doing something really drastic at the kernel layer to improve scalability, possibly a major overhaul to incorporate very different technology. However I think this would become known as Mac OS XI, rather than a point release."
Maybe, maybe not, Mac OS 8.6 had some major changes to the microkernel compared to 8.5, but was still a minor (and no-cost?) update. Does the user see the difference is probably the difference.
Apple is just taking half or less time than windows or other OS upgrades take and sell for half or less. Would you prefer if they would delay 10.5 for 250$ next year instead of last october and include all 10.6 improvements? I certainly prefer upgrading in short intervals of apple. They are charging for engineering time, not features. Be it the engineering goes to features or under the hood improvements, it's still years spent on the work. That's what you are paying for.
Apple smart to pause new features
As much as I love Apple's major OS updates (and I don't think I'd be willing to pay $120 for just bug fixes), I think Apple's doing the right thing by not adding features just yet.
What I'm hoping is that Apple is continuing development on new features, but because Vista is doing so poorly, they are waiting to release some of these features closer to the Windows 7 release. I expect Windows 7 to be a pretty hefty upgrade to Vista, but I think that Microsoft may misstep and focus too much on touch screen technologies. Touch is important for phones and tablets, but for most home and office uses it's simply not practical.
One personal hope, after working on Macs and PCs for a long time, is that Apple allow users to decide if they want the green optimize button on their windows to work as a full screen maximize. I know many of my fellow mac lovers are tired of hearing it and tired of repeating it's a waste of screen real estate, but I think it would be ok to let me decide for myself. I've converted a lot of people to the Mac, but this is an option I'm dying for. While I have many applications open at once, I would like full concentration on only one at a time and full screen is a great way to do that. Please Apple... C'mon!!!! Just an option for one of your biggest fans.
As much as I love Apple's major OS updates (and I don't think I'd be willing to pay $120 for just bug fixes), I think Apple's doing the right thing by not adding features just yet.
What I'm hoping is that Apple is continuing development on new features, but because Vista is doing so poorly, they are waiting to release some of these features closer to the Windows 7 release. I expect Windows 7 to be a pretty hefty upgrade to Vista, but I think that Microsoft may misstep and focus too much on touch screen technologies. Touch is important for phones and tablets, but for most home and office uses it's simply not practical.
One personal hope, after working on Macs and PCs for a long time, is that Apple allow users to decide if they want the green optimize button on their windows to work as a full screen maximize. I know many of my fellow mac lovers are tired of hearing it and tired of repeating it's a waste of screen real estate, but I think it would be ok to let me decide for myself. I've converted a lot of people to the Mac, but this is an option I'm dying for. While I have many applications open at once, I would like full concentration on only one at a time and full screen is a great way to do that. Please Apple... C'mon!!!! Just an option for one of your biggest fans.
that's only because gas prices are beyond ridiculous. The US has reached an average of $4.00+ a gallon*
Where are those hydrogen and fully electric cars?!
* For some reason it's 9/10 of a gallon
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Anyways, it is funny how you all are complaining. We don't even know the official price of Snow Leopard yet... Why complain? For all you know it may be free for a limited time, or just flat out free.
I'm not saying that it is though. Buuttt.... Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mac buyers that bought a Mac during October get a $10 upgrade to Leopard? That's 26 days of buyers that got an opportunity to upgrade to Leopard for a low price.
If Apple's marketing is on top of things, this will be a free upgrade (or some nominal fee) to current Leopard users... Regular price for those running Tiger.
Hopefully, there will be some added new features to keep it ahead of the curve.
Hopefully, there will be some added new features to keep it ahead of the curve.
They're coming out of Japan soon.
Am I right in thinking that a US gallon is 3.78 Litres? Meaning that 1US Gallon of "gas" (we call it Petroleum; Petrol) is actually $37 in England.
Is that correct?If so, you have no idea about "through the roof" and I can't wait until you pay what we pay.
As for Snow Leopard, I just hope that 10.5 starts to get really stable, really quickly.
I'd think it'd be at least $10 for a disk installation because they'd lose profits if they just gave away thousands of DVD's for free. But $10 is not a lot.
I find it funny too
in all the rant and raving, all we heard is that Apple is working on 10.6 and some minor (well ok major, but we do not know all yet) leaks and press releases of what Apple is doing with 10.6 and why. Yes they gave it a new name because it is a major release, not a minor one like a 10.x.x release (but not as major as 11.0). I think snow leopard is given to say - hey it is still leopard, just revamped to be better.
in all this, Apple never made a mention about price that I recall. For all we know it may be a free update to existing Intel Leopard users. We will not know until it gets closer to release and the official announcement is made.
And besides, if it will be out in a year, I still have a feeling there will be a few more 10.5.x releases until then. so who knows, maybe a year from now we will be saying, wow I can't beleive this has the same look and feel a leopard, yet it is so amazing as compared to the old leopard.
Also, I only have been a member of this forum for about a year, and i never worked with Tiger. I only got my first mac in April and never had a problem.
Maybe just maybe Apple hit the pause button to try to figure out why some people have problems but the majority (or minority depending on what side of the fence you chose) does not. And also, maybe just maybe apple is listening as well and saying "hey people on these boards have some good ideas in between of all the whining, lets see what it would take to just include that two"
Operating systems are a complex beast as that is the layer that controls all the hardware and how the applications relate to the hardware to get a computer to do what you need. It is not as simple as writing an application (ok, I take that back - I programmed in applications for a year - I did not mean to offend application programmers by any means, as I am one myself). But it takes a lot of hard work and talent to write and operating system. You have to know alot about hardware, firmware, how to not break software and keep some level of backward compatibility, but you also have to make it possible for new applications to add some features, not to include all the control ports and peripheral devices -plugged in, etc.
Programming is a lot of long hours - hey I am on my 3 week strait of 10 -12 hr days and I program applications (make that support and tweak - I have not done any true development in 2-3 months due to the support that is needed), there is a lot of hours that go into it - and depending on who you work for; sometimes there is not that much glory in it.
I could not even image what has to happen to make an OS run.... I have seen some system calls in other languages I worked with. Glad I did not have to write that myself.
They're coming out of Japan soon.
Am I right in thinking that a US gallon is 3.78 Litres? Meaning that 1US Gallon of "gas" (we call it Petroleum; Petrol) is actually $37 in England.
If so, you have no idea about "through the roof" and I can't wait until you pay what we pay.
As for Snow Leopard, I just hope that 10.5 starts to get really stable, really quickly.
If my math serves me correctly a liter is a little more than a quart and there are 4 quarts in a gallon. But yes it is more expensive when you pay bythe liter. I remember when I went to Canada a number of years back. Gas in the US was about $1.05 a gallon. In Canada being on the metric system, it was about $3.00 then. My grandfather used to haul gas with him stashed away in his truck when he crossed into Canada. He did not try to fill up his boat there. the only gas station was 40 miles (I think he said) in the nearest town and it was $7 a gallon (equivelant) back then. He went on fishing trips to Parent Lake, about 60 miles or so south of the Hudson Bay (to give you a reference on how far north that is - it was 20 degrees every morning in mid august, sometimes it snowed and it stayed light out until about midnight or close to 1:00am). Now that is North......
WHHAAT?!?!!???!!! That's ridiculous! Some day we should have fully electric cars that don't need to be plugged in, or hydrogen cars that we just put water into the fuel tank. Zero pollution, zero cost!They're coming out of Japan soon.
Am I right in thinking that a US gallon is 3.78 Litres? Meaning that 1US Gallon of "gas" (we call it Petroleum; Petrol) is actually $37 in England.
If so, you have no idea about "through the roof" and I can't wait until you pay what we pay.
As for Snow Leopard, I just hope that 10.5 starts to get really stable, really quickly.
Edit: Is that in USD?
What do you mean you hope 10.5 gets really stable, really quickly? I think it's final that 10.6 will focus on stability, security, speed, and performance (I call it the SSSP
) and I think it's a good idea. 10.6 isn't a dinky update, it'll be a rather thorough and large update, so I don't think they could simply apply it to a 10.5.x update.
Am I right in thinking that a US gallon is 3.78 Litres? Meaning that 1US Gallon of "gas" (we call it Petroleum; Petrol) is actually $37 in England.
only if you are paying nearly £5 a litre.
$37 / $2/£ / 3.78 litres/US gallon = £4.89/litre.