Don't think so 'today', think 'tomorrow's' SSDs. I doubt Apple will sell and install an SSD above 128GB in the next 12 months as a default configuration, and my bet is that they are planning to go to SSDs in the MBPs in the next 12 months if pricing cooperates.
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Mac OS X 'Snow Leopard' Features and Parallel Computing
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Don't think so 'today', think 'tomorrow's' SSDs. I doubt Apple will sell and install an SSD above 128GB in the next 12 months as a default configuration, and my bet is that they are planning to go to SSDs in the MBPs in the next 12 months if pricing cooperates.
I'd love a 256GB SSD in any Mac. 128GB is fine, too. An SSD sounds soooo awesome.
Nehalem Processor (Possible quad-core, 2.66 GHz?
)Snow Leopard - GPU accelerated
SSD
What's next? 1600 MHz DDR3 RAM that's 4x faster and cheaper then the previous 667 and 800 MHz DDR2 RAM?
You know, the truth is, this iPhone stuff is really really sucking us dry. When WWDC came up, we wanted to have a blow-you-away new version of OS X that would make Leopard look ancient, like OS 9 or something. Come to think of it, Leopard looks a little like OS 9 anyway...
The we realized we didn't have a clue where to go with the next OS X because everywhere at Apple it's just iPhone this and iPhone that. "Grand Central" and "Open CL?" That stuff's been sitting on the shelf for months now. We could've pushed it out the door yesterday.
So we gave Bertrand a little speech to memorize for WWDC about "pushing the pause button" because, you know, Bertrand is French. Truth is, he doesn't understand a word of English. So we just give him this stuff to say and told him it's a lot of technobabble about how great the next OS X is gonna be and so on and he's smiling and thinks it's all good. Worked like a charm.
But damn, we couldn't even come up with a new name, that's how bad it's gotten. It's been so god damn busy here with MobileMe and iPhone 2.0 and all of that junk. So finally someone says how about "Snow" Leopard? What the hell is a Snow Leopard anyway? Then we figured out that we would have to throw all the developers here a bone, so we pressed a bunch of "Snow" Leopard preview DVD's. It's basically all the same stuff. We couldn't even come up with a new design for the DVD cover, so we just splashed on some old Leopard purple and hoped nobody would pay attention and ask something like, "hey, where's the snow?"
Somebody in marketing told me this morning that we're gonna focus on the teen market with this next release. Lot of money there, lots of switchers. So we're gonna put in a white Leopard soft toy in the box. I saw a prototype yesterday. Gotta admit, it's cute as hell. Kids will love it. We're gonna sell a ton of these.
Gotta go. Another iPhone progress report meeting. Attendance mandatory.
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They promised Top Secret Features that everybody want to steal, but nothing appeared...
Address Book Server
Some posts on other sites suggest that Snow Leopard Server will include an "Address Book Server" feature. This is already available from http://www.addressbookserver.com for both Tiger and Leopard and does not require OS X server. A windows version is also planned for Q3'08.
Some posts on other sites suggest that Snow Leopard Server will include an "Address Book Server" feature. This is already available from http://www.addressbookserver.com for both Tiger and Leopard and does not require OS X server. A windows version is also planned for Q3'08.
I personally am looking forward to a 10.6 performance and stability targeted release.
Sure you can say Leopard should have been prepped with Performance and you can argue that this is an admittance of poor performance of there current release.
But realistically, there are many different ways to code things. It's a lot like when someone asks you your opinion in a questionable way. There is no wrong answer as its your opinion. In the same vain, Leopard isn't wrong, its not buggy or poor. It's simply not been tuned to current days hardware.
And apple know this and are addressing it. Putting a pause on new features to focus on the core to re-write anything that is under-performing is a big task, and trust me from one programmer to another its not fun to re-do stuff you've already written its boring and uninteresting. Writing new features is fun and keeps morale high, what Apple is doing will sap the life out of there Developers but it will get us all a better end product, if anything I would argue doing this is harder more soul-destroying work then writing any of the new features present in Leopard.
Really the people here who don't see this as a good thing should look at what they want, higher performance or some flashy features. Sure Time Machine is great but what you really want is for your Applications to not be hindered by its executing platform and Apple feel they need to dedicate a Year+ to the goal of perfecting there base and we should respect them for making such a gutsy decision at this pivotal point of the Apple brand.
Sure you can say Leopard should have been prepped with Performance and you can argue that this is an admittance of poor performance of there current release.
But realistically, there are many different ways to code things. It's a lot like when someone asks you your opinion in a questionable way. There is no wrong answer as its your opinion. In the same vain, Leopard isn't wrong, its not buggy or poor. It's simply not been tuned to current days hardware.
And apple know this and are addressing it. Putting a pause on new features to focus on the core to re-write anything that is under-performing is a big task, and trust me from one programmer to another its not fun to re-do stuff you've already written its boring and uninteresting. Writing new features is fun and keeps morale high, what Apple is doing will sap the life out of there Developers but it will get us all a better end product, if anything I would argue doing this is harder more soul-destroying work then writing any of the new features present in Leopard.
Really the people here who don't see this as a good thing should look at what they want, higher performance or some flashy features. Sure Time Machine is great but what you really want is for your Applications to not be hindered by its executing platform and Apple feel they need to dedicate a Year+ to the goal of perfecting there base and we should respect them for making such a gutsy decision at this pivotal point of the Apple brand.
Fear not
Apple always get ahead of the pack in these things (dropping floppies etc) and even if the average user doesn't 'need' such advanced features yet, if they work and don't get in the way why not? I bet the average user will gain because new Apple products will take advantage of pooling in a way not even thought of yet, except by Apple skunk works and SJ.
>WinMacLin that was short and to the point.
Also the incentive for developers to see what can be done with the new coding tips and tricks.
A damed good look what we did, nothing like telling developers to move up to a newer updated coding base by showing them the distinct benefits.
But alas, while they might want to do it their beancounters likely wont let them.
Also the incentive for developers to see what can be done with the new coding tips and tricks.
A damed good look what we did, nothing like telling developers to move up to a newer updated coding base by showing them the distinct benefits.
But alas, while they might want to do it their beancounters likely wont let them.
That's more true on the PC side where the vast majority wouldn't know how even if it were to work which in many cases it wouldn't. Many (I hesitate to say most but it is a huge %) Mac users upgrade their OS's with great enthusiasm. Many of my older Macs have been updated three or four times through major OS changes. (I am typing on my ancient iBook G4 which is running 10.5.3 perfectly while by 8 core crunches HD videos through Compressor.) Family packs are great for mass updates when new OSs come from Apple as you can upgrade all the Macs in the house.
This is an update I am drooling for because of the potential to unleash the true power of the multi cores. This I bet will upgrade the hardware in the field over night to its full potential. I don't know but I hope the applications will need little change to take advantage with Grand Central doing the work for them. Exciting times
p.s. Please take a vacation Steve and get really healthy will you
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All I've ever heard is how
strings their folks up by the balls if they post to forums. How have you managed to avoid that?No new Features + Stability = Service Pack
I totally agree with this statement. If there aren't any real new features except to add speed and stability, that's a service pack (and should be free).
I immediately upgraded to Leopard when it came out, but if Apple tries to "sell" me a bunch of software/bug fixes that should be done anyways, I'm definitely going to pass on 10.6 (just out of principle).
I totally agree with this statement. If there aren't any real new features except to add speed and stability, that's a service pack (and should be free).
I immediately upgraded to Leopard when it came out, but if Apple tries to "sell" me a bunch of software/bug fixes that should be done anyways, I'm definitely going to pass on 10.6 (just out of principle).
Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. I'm thinking Leopard Service Pack 1 will retail for about $49. Leopard was as buggy a mess as Vista was. And on principle I agree with you that Apple should provide a service pack free of charge. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen cause it would be tantamount to Apple admitting that the marketing slogan " it just works " and all the ads poking fun at Vista were, at best disingenuous, and at worst, factual lies. Still love the commericals, though.
Good, you just exercised consumer decision.
I can reasonably assume that snow leopard is not a service pack like a lot of you blowhards like to assume. It looks to me like a fundamental reworking of the internals, including adding ZFS and update the 'Core' frameworks; possibly even adding a multicore framework as well as OpenCL framework and possibly LLVM. It also appears that they are cleaning house and slimming down X for security and performance reasons. Security being the biggest reason by far.
My guess is that the standard pricing will apply for new users and leopard users will either get it for free (very likely) or have to pay anywhere from $49 - $79. Leopard will continue to get software updates with bug/security fixes for stability and performance. Leopard and Snow Leopard will essential live side-by-side, with leopard slowly and gently being phased out along w/ PPC, until 10.7 comes along and consolidates everything into a nice lean, mean, and fast cat. If your still using PPC by 10.6 then you need to start thinking about saving your pennies. By 10.7 its time to pry your cold, flakey fingers from your dead PPC machine.
People like shiseiryu1 up here can choose to stick with leopard, assuming the new cat isn't free, and won't be jilted by new mouth watering features. PPC users can happily us Leopard until their machines crumble to dust.
PPC not supported anymore, sorry dudes.
From a french Site
As I replied to you on another thread, this does not necessarily mean anything for the final release. It only makes sense that they wouldn't go to the effort of creating installation disks for both architectures for the "preview," since it's just a demonstration and not supporting the customer base.
Have you seen the screenshots at http://orchardspy.com/ ? Why would they include universal binaries if PPC had been dropped? My guess is that there's been on official word on this because Apple has yet to make a final decision.
That's what I wonder, if it was intel only, wouldn't all the apps just say intel instead of universal? Any devs willing to confirm if the french thing is legit?
I have seen another report that the preview disk does not boot on PPC. But again, Apple hasn't say anything about the final product.
For G4 users like me, I don't think it makes much difference one way or the other since 10.6 is a year away and doesn't appear to offer many relevant features. There will be 10.5.x releases in the meantime that will make Leopard a superior platform. G5 users, on the other hand, might benefit from the 64-bit extensions in 10.6, but it's hard to say.