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Mac OS X Theme Change in Leopard Seed 9A410

brianus said:
FINALLY!!!! Some common sense on this issue. I hate that it's taken as gospel that a unified UI is a good thing that "we're all hoping for". It's an extremely bad thing if you actually pause and think about it. Sure, Exposé does well enough if you're a graphic designer and all your windows are easily distinguishable, distinct images, but what if you're a programmer or writer who works all day with text? Tiger's several UIs make selecting windows, whether in Exposé or not, much easier. As someone who has to toggle between XP and OS X every day, I can verify having multiple UIs in a single OS is far superior and a great time saver.
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I agree 100% with you. I like being able to tell applications apart from each other by the looks. I even like pinstripes and brushed metal if it's not over done. Some applications have a lot of empty space in brusheh metal, or even the whole preference window in brushed metal... For Finder and iCal brushed metal is fine. I wish they kept it in iTunes though...

Right now in Tiger, the window with the focus has usually a darker title bar and colored traffic light buttons and scroll bars (except in the graphite theme of course). But not all applications adhere to that scheme. iTunes for example stays the same color, only the traffic light buttons and the scroll bars fade out when not in focus. Look at the Flicker pictures. They look alright in my opinion. The screenshots mirrored here have sharp corners because the screenshot tool in Leopard apparently only takes one layer of a window. The windows in OSX are actually rendered like this, then the alpha channel layer cuts away the corners and makes things translucent, and another layer adds shadows to the window. I guess the engineers had to rewrite the windowing engine completely to make it all core animation and resolution independent. The icons and buttons change daily at Apple internally. There are a lot of people working on getting everything high resolution (400 dpi). It's more complicated than you think.

The interface will probably change often until final release but may not be included in the developer builds because it would be additional effort from Apple and wouldn't help the developers in any way. So don't worry too much about such minor things like shades of gray on title bars... Those things are usually decided just before release. Be happy you have Tiger for now, it's still better than Vista :)
 
Well, I'm happy about the new interface.

*gets in a time machine (not to be cofused with Time Machine), and goes to October 2007* :rolleyes:
 
Leopard is a work in progress. These screenshots illustrate that fact.

These screenshots also illustrate the first real deviation from the Tiger UI since Leopard made its debut.

In other words, I think Apple wanted to drop us a hint that they are giving the Leopard UI some much needed attention. While I personally don't believe build 9A410 represents what Leopard will look like on launch day, I do know that no matter what Apple ultimately settles upon, some of us will like it and some of us won't. Such is the subjective nature of our species.

Finally, I'd like to emphasize that it is very likely Apple will withhold the final Leopard UI until WWDC. The fact that we have screenshots for everyone to complain about months before release proves the existence of ADC members who can't be trusted.
 
Is it me, or is Apple slowly regressing back to the look of OS 9? OS 10.1-2 was truly Aqua, with a lot of transparency, pinstripes, aqua buttons, etc;. They seem to be really removing themselves from the original Aqua design (see iTunes 7).
 
This rocks! I'm liking the new theme. :) I know people are bummed about the delay to October. However, it's not THAT long of a wait....and, it gives more time for Apple to really polish Leopard up. :D Be happy. We're going to be getting a great OS, even if it's later than we ideally want.
 
iindigo said:
Not 100% square, but they're still much more square than the current nice, round corners. Much too square for my taste... In fact, I would be incredibly happy if the whole iTunes 7 look completely disappeared.
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The screenshot-tool makes the look square, but they are not square in reality. Don't believe me? Click here
 
Smactech said:
The windows ARE NOT SQUARE !! Gees... someone made poor screen captures.
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Thats a bug in leopard i think, ummm it seems all thevye been doing is making new screensavers. Thats a shame. Worst bit is that i have to wait till october. Hopfuly wwdc we will see the new UI
 
Evangelion said:
The screenshot-tool makes the look square, but they are not square in reality. Don't believe me? Click here
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I saw those. They are still much more square than the current.

See below. The left is Leopard while the right is Tiger.
 

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ccn said:
Well, I'm not sure why you'd want an address bar as it's not useful in everyday usage, but if you really want one just hit Command-Shift-G (or Go: Go To Folder…) and Finder will bring up an address bar entry. You can also command click on the name of the window and it will show you your current location and also allow you to go up any directory (similar to command-up/down arrow). Finally, you can drag the icon at the top of the window next to the window name over to other apps or text fields and it will automatically paste your current address there. Is this serious?

Now, the cut option? OK, now I'm starting to think this posting is being sarcastic :p You can Command-X/Command-C then Command-V, just like with windows and ctrl-x/c/v.
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Did you ever try Apple-X? Doesn't work....
It's far from sarcastic.... i'm really very serieus.
When moving files around in OSX I very frequently get very tired, and start the terminal to move stuff around... this is not what OSX should be!

And as far go 'goto'... i don't wanna go somewhere, I want to know where I am! And very fast go 3 levels down for example, or very fast switch the map I am in. (Try it in Vista, and really you will see it works much better! And no: i'm not a m$ fan!).
 
willybNL said:
And as far go 'goto'... i don't wanna go somewhere, I want to know where I am! And very fast go 3 levels down for example, or very fast switch the map I am in. (Try it in Vista, and really you will see it works much better! And no: i'm not a m$ fan!).
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That's what the Path button or Apple-clicking the icon in the titlebar is for. Works quite nicely without the nasty bulkiness of a URL bar.
 
I can't believe they haven't scrapped the ugly aqua scroll bar yet. They need to make it more like iTunes 7.
 
The corners are probably not square. This is an artifact of the screen cap. If you don't believe me, zoom in on the top right corner of the Photo Booth image.
 
iindigo said:
I saw those. They are still much more square than the current.

See below. The left is Leopard while the right is Tiger.
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Does it really bother you that much?

The difference is what, a few minute pixels?

It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me...
 
job said:
Does it really bother you that much?

The difference is what, a few minute pixels?

It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me...
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Well, I'm a nitpicky designer type, and everything in my UI has to feel --just-- right or I'm not happy, so yes, it does matter to me. I currently have UNO Light/Smoothstripes mod (dark = ick) installed and many of the programs I use have interfaces that I have custom-modified to meet my specifications.
 
I wouldn't get too excited about the screenshots. They're fun to look at but that's about it. I'm thinking that Leopard will allow for a number of different themes to suit different tastes. That's my take.....
 
I don't think the windows are square, I think it's just grab is not taking the whole window. Notice how there is no drop shadow? Apple wouldn't remove that.

I don't think the gray is bad, but I do think its a place holder. And lastly, am I the only one who likes brushed metal?
 
Luigi239 said:
I don't think the windows are square, I think it's just grab is not taking the whole window. Notice how there is no drop shadow? Apple wouldn't remove that.

I don't think the gray is bad, but I do think its a place holder. And lastly, am I the only one who likes brushed metal?
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I, too, like brushed metal under some circumstances. It looks good on a few programs, two being Safari and iTunes 4. I hate that Apple got rid of brushed in iTunes... it really fit nicely.

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iindigo said:
Well, I'm a nitpicky designer type, and everything in my UI has to feel --just-- right or I'm not happy, so yes, it does matter to me. I currently have UNO Light/Smoothstripes mod (dark = ick) installed and many of the programs I use have interfaces that I have custom-modified to meet my specifications.
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Gotcha.

Now that you mentioned it, I went and compared iTunes 7 with the screenshot of the older version of iTunes that you posted. Version 7 has the more squarish looking corners. I wouldn't be that surprised if we saw a lot of design cues of 10.5 taken from iTunes 7.
 
Please get rid of grey

HailToTheVictor said:
October for this?

It has the feeling of going backwards, I do not like the grey. Or maybe I am just in a bad mood
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I agree with you 100%. I don't know if this is due to the weather in Seattle, but grey is depressing. I sincerely hope they get rid of grey or let you customize and select an uniform theme.
 
iMacZealot said:
I feel like it's more of an evolution of Platinum, not Aqua.
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That's exactly the first thought I had. It's totally the new Platinum.

Erasmus said:
I call BS that Leopard will look anything like this.
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mustard said:
Apple didn't show this - some one decided to break there disclosure agreement, or it is a temp GUI, or it is a hoax via shapeshifter, or a photoshop job. It isn't gospel until Apple tells us that it is and even then they can't please everyone.
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I think you both got it. I don't think this is what shipping Leopard will look like.
 
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