That's what so confusing... I've formatted the boot drive on several occasions and that action had no impact... very very very weird...
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That's what so confusing... I've formatted the boot drive on several occasions and that action had no impact... very very very weird...
Hit a bump in the road... computer worked fine yesterday after I played around with those extensions - rebooted and all great...
Put it to sleep last night around 10PM, went to sleep and then tried to wake it up around 6AM today... no go - power light was pulsing but it didn't respond to moving the mouse, tapping the keyboard, pushing the power button, etc...
So I held down the power button to shut it off and then turned it back on... it appeared to be starting up well but when I came back a few minutes later, I saw a 'Not Allowed' symbol (think the circle with a diagonal line through it)... just saw there while the 'circle' spun, as if it was booting...
Tried it a couple of more times, no luck... booted off of SL DVD, repaired both boot discs (10.6.4 and other is 10.5.2) and then repaired disk permissions on the 10.6.4 boot... that one found a number of errors (user 501, instead of user 0) on the files I touched... so those were fixed but the machine still won't boot off of 10.6.4...
I hear the drive start but then abruptly drop out... almost like it's starting to boot but stop mid-way... BTW, both are valid boot drives (I can see them in SL DVD and when I boot into 10.5.2)...
Can anyone tell me what that symbol means? What's going on?
-Justin
Put it to sleep last night around 10PM, went to sleep and then tried to wake it up around 6AM today... no go - power light was pulsing but it didn't respond to moving the mouse, tapping the keyboard, pushing the power button, etc...
So I held down the power button to shut it off and then turned it back on... it appeared to be starting up well but when I came back a few minutes later, I saw a 'Not Allowed' symbol (think the circle with a diagonal line through it)... just saw there while the 'circle' spun, as if it was booting...
Tried it a couple of more times, no luck... booted off of SL DVD, repaired both boot discs (10.6.4 and other is 10.5.2) and then repaired disk permissions on the 10.6.4 boot... that one found a number of errors (user 501, instead of user 0) on the files I touched... so those were fixed but the machine still won't boot off of 10.6.4...
I hear the drive start but then abruptly drop out... almost like it's starting to boot but stop mid-way... BTW, both are valid boot drives (I can see them in SL DVD and when I boot into 10.5.2)...
Can anyone tell me what that symbol means? What's going on?
-Justin
LOL.
Ok, you suffer from the EXACT thing the 2009 Mac Pro suffered from!
Performance drop with an increase in power, however why I don't know.
Do you have a PCI-E sound card or a firewire drive attached?
Seems like this bug has effected all Intel Mac Pros
LOL.
Ok, you suffer from the EXACT thing the 2009 Mac Pro suffered from!
Performance drop with an increase in power, however why I don't know.
Do you have a PCI-E sound card or a firewire drive attached?
Seems like this bug has effected all Intel Mac Pros
I'm not sure if the decrease in performance is related to the increase in power - the XBench stats (Not posted) remained lower after I played around with the extensions... although, I guess it looks like I hosed the boot partition now :-(
I do have a drive connected to the rear FW800 port...
Strip the machine of everything connected to it bar the KB, Mouse, network and display (IE all external HDs, scanners, etc).
Make sure iTunes, Quicktime and anything that could possible make any sound at all is closed (including virtual machines) and test again.
Your issue is SO similar to what the 2009 machines had it's unreal!
I'll give that a shot once I fix the boot drive later today...
Technically, the OS can produce sound, right? So how can I close everything? Pretty sure that I've checked and the power draw is still high on a fresh-install with nothing running...
How was the 2009 issue resolved?
Apple update, so your on your own on that one!
If it's a fresh OS install on both 10.5.2 and 10.6.4 then I don't really have an answer for you!
Apple update, so your on your own on that one!
If it's a fresh OS install on both 10.5.2 and 10.6.4 then I don't really have an answer for you!
Not both - only 10.6.4 has the issue on fresh install (well, 10.5.3 and later, as I've said but in any case)...
As I mentioned above, it seems to have something to do with the AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement extension... I have to play around more but I did get it to work under low power in 10.6.4 briefly until my OS install somehow got hosed while asleep...
OK - I disconnected everything as you said and re-installed 10.6... no luck... :-(
Well IIRC that is the same thing that fixed the MP2009 issue too, along with something else.
Really don't know what to suggest unless it's still under warranty but I assume not?
Honestly unless you can get Cindori or someone who understands Kexts and programming better than we do then I don't think you are going to get anywhere.
One idea may be to use the two things included in the Mac Pro 2009 Update 1.1, however I don't know which files they are!
Edit:
AppleHDA.kext and
IOPlatformPluginFamily.kext
Were updated. Im uploading them now to see if it makes any difference using my kexts!
www.thunder-keep.co.uk/stuff/Test_kexts.zip
Alas, you are correct - no more warranty...
Cindori? Who is that?
I figured out what happened to the MP this morning... looks like removing those two files causes a KP when trying to sleep the machine...
Regarding the two extensions you provided - how do I install them? Specifically, I assume that they need to have the right permissions? Is it as simple as copying them there and then repairing permissions?
OK - just for grins, I decide to install OS X 10.6 on a fresh drive... only thing connected was my MacAlly iKey, Logitech MX1000 and Apple 23" - nothing else...
I just booted up the MP and set up my account... I then immediately installed Hardware Monitor and alas, power levels remained as high as ever...
I also tried resetting the SMC again, both by unplugging everything and holding down the power button as well as depressing the little button on the logic board... no such luck...
What could it be? :-(
I just booted up the MP and set up my account... I then immediately installed Hardware Monitor and alas, power levels remained as high as ever...
I also tried resetting the SMC again, both by unplugging everything and holding down the power button as well as depressing the little button on the logic board... no such luck...
What could it be? :-(
It's almost certainly software and install it in /System/Library/Extensions
Other than that I think your stuck tbh!
Worth maybe starting a thread calling for other MP1,1 people to post benchmarks in 10.5.2 and 10.6.4? See if it's just you or the entire line.
hmm do you use the MacAlly iKey's drivers?
Macally Icekey driver issues
Also there are three little buttons on the motherboard, one in the area with the PCIe slots and two in the memory cage area.
EDIT: If you have the original mouse and keyboard I would try those instead.
Macally Icekey driver issues
Also there are three little buttons on the motherboard, one in the area with the PCIe slots and two in the memory cage area.
EDIT: If you have the original mouse and keyboard I would try those instead.
I currently don't have any software installed on that fresh install...
On my running boot drive, I do have the MacAlly software installed but am not seeing anything like those entries described in that link...
What are those 3 little buttons you mention?
EDIT: I don't have the original mouse so I figured I'd try unplugging both the keyboard and mouse and reboot to see if that made any difference... no such luck...
So I just put those files you posted in that directory? I ask because putting the Apple CPU extension back there (after I remove it) doesn't seem to restore it...
Hello...
Chiming in here.
I'd also second a recommendation of removing ALL third party devices (the iKey and anything else) and starting with a clean install to a test drive just to see what happens.
As as aside, my friend Paul owns a device called a "Power Angel". You basically plug it into the electrical socket and then you plug your appliance into the Power Angel and it has an LCD display that tells you the power draw.
It was VERY interesting because some electrical devices you would think would be sipping away at electricity were actually rampaging power devourers: a multiport switch hooking multiple computers together was drawing over 65 watts when a similar competing device drew 2-4 at the most. Powered cases for hard drives were also big offenders.
The really interesting thing is my old G5 tower drew 250+ watts with 5 gigs of ram and even more with 8 (where it is now) with multiple drives installed and a video card that drew from the power supply.
The tower would draw 100 watts LESS if I used Chud Tools and selected Nap Mode for that tower. In Firewire Target disc mode it would actually be using far less electricity and we
think the processors clocked down to 1.3 ghz for that use. At full 2.5 ghz mode with nap mode off it would literally heat my room in the winter.
I don't want to know how much it draws now although the Corei7 iMac I'm running as my main machine now draws 50-60 watts under heavy load depending on what I'm doing and that's with 12 gigs of ram.
Thinking: reading this thread tells me it's probably software related - at least, it seems that the earlier version that gave you light electrical use was great but the later version was not conservative enough so it went overboard.
I wonder if they are aware of this or if they believe it's "fixed".
Chiming in here.
I'd also second a recommendation of removing ALL third party devices (the iKey and anything else) and starting with a clean install to a test drive just to see what happens.
As as aside, my friend Paul owns a device called a "Power Angel". You basically plug it into the electrical socket and then you plug your appliance into the Power Angel and it has an LCD display that tells you the power draw.
It was VERY interesting because some electrical devices you would think would be sipping away at electricity were actually rampaging power devourers: a multiport switch hooking multiple computers together was drawing over 65 watts when a similar competing device drew 2-4 at the most. Powered cases for hard drives were also big offenders.
The really interesting thing is my old G5 tower drew 250+ watts with 5 gigs of ram and even more with 8 (where it is now) with multiple drives installed and a video card that drew from the power supply.
The tower would draw 100 watts LESS if I used Chud Tools and selected Nap Mode for that tower. In Firewire Target disc mode it would actually be using far less electricity and we
think the processors clocked down to 1.3 ghz for that use. At full 2.5 ghz mode with nap mode off it would literally heat my room in the winter.
I don't want to know how much it draws now although the Corei7 iMac I'm running as my main machine now draws 50-60 watts under heavy load depending on what I'm doing and that's with 12 gigs of ram.
Thinking: reading this thread tells me it's probably software related - at least, it seems that the earlier version that gave you light electrical use was great but the later version was not conservative enough so it went overboard.
I wonder if they are aware of this or if they believe it's "fixed".
Hi there
Just did a fresh 10.6 install last night with only my keyboard and mouse connected... alas, I don't have the original KB/M but I figure disconnecting them before starting up should yield similar results, right? They're not connected after all and that's the big thing, I think?
I definitely think it's a software issue that's disabling the SpeedStep low-power idle functionality or something like that... what's weird is that Alfihar is running 10.6.4 and doesn't have the same issue...
So the question is - if it goes away on 10.5.2 and when I remove the extension in 10.6.4 BUT it doesn't happen on at least one other MP - what's going on?
OK, I tried putting these in my Extensions directory - didn't seem to have any impact on the power draw but it did seem to mess with my MP otherwise... my KB/M no longer worked, at least for clicking the mouse...
Anyway... no such luck... thanks for the suggestion, though...
Here's a couple of pictures showing where the reset buttons are,
could try pressing them as it shouldn't cause any problems.
At-least it hasn't for me.
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An article I read said that the one you labeled 'PRAM' is the SMC...
I'll have to try pushing the others...
Zoom in on the picture, you can see where the RTC and SMC buttons are labelled on the motherboard.
Though the one I labelled PRAM is a guess as I couldn't make out the writing on the motherboard. It might be a system reset switch though rather than PRAM.
I think this is where you may have hit on your own awnser, speedstep can be disabled in a PC via bios. when your building one for all out power and gaming, ive built a few phase change and water cooled PC's and my last was a 24/7 4.2Gig i7 2 x5870 crossfire ect. you disable anything that hinders CPU performance, speedstep being one of them.
when in the bios of a pc you can disable speedstep, now obviously you cant do that with a MP no bios, but i wonder if 10.6.4 disables the speedstep feature somehow in hardware, as mac OSX seems to be able to give so much info about hardware, can it actually control speedstep aswell? I dont know enough about OSX to awnser that question directly but perhaps someone in the know can. I wonder if speedstep is handled diffrently in 10.6.4?