Mac Pro 2009 - downgrade to MP41.0081.807

juliovg

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Hello everyone
I have a problem with my Mac pro 2009
some time ago (5 month ago), I had MP41.0081.807 ROM version (image first.png)
Now after some updates (upgrade firmware) and install Mojave, I have the next ROM 140.0.0.0.0
but I don't know why I have this ROM 140.0.0.0.0 now (image - second.png)

I need back to MP41.0081.807 ROM, does any body know how start ?

Thanks
 

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tsialex

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Hello everyone
I have a problem with my Mac pro 2009
some time ago (5 month ago), I had MP41.0081.807 ROM version (image first.png)
Now after some updates (upgrade firmware) and install Mojave, I have the next ROM 140.0.0.0.0
but I don't know why I have this ROM 140.0.0.0.0 now (image - second.png)

I need back to MP41.0081.807 ROM, does any body know how start ?

Thanks
Why you want to this? After the downgrade you will only run El Capitan and won’t have access to any APFS formated disks.

It’s a complicated process, practically impossible to be done by anyone who don’t have a very good understanding about Mac Pro BootROMs and should not be done without a very good reason.
 
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juliovg

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my problem is because I need install docker into my Mac Pro
and I have this error (see image)

reading in some forums, some people say that check the firmware, some other if my Mac doesn't let install docker because doesn't has some requirements.

The point is, if I install VMware fusion , I can configure an ubuntu machine and after first install , I can install docker.
But I need to know if it's possible to install docker into my actual Mac Pro, and what I need ?


One more think:
on this link I can validate that my computer has the virtualization capability , isn't ? (see image vmx.png)

url= https://apple.stackexchange.com/posts/224879/revisions

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my problem is because I need install docker into my Mac Pro
and I have this error (see image)

reading in some forums, some people say that check the firmware, some other if my Mac doesn't let install docker because doesn't has some requirements.

The point is, if I install VMware fusion , I can configure an ubuntu machine and after first install , I can install docker.
But I need to know if it's possible to install docker into my actual Mac Pro, and what I need ?


One more think:
on this link I can validate that my computer has the virtualization capability , isn't ? (see image vmx.png)

url= https://apple.stackexchange.com/posts/224879/revisions

regards
So, you want to downgrade to a MP4,1 firmware, lose APFS and the capability to run Sierra, High Sierra and Mojave for a thing that you don’t know if it works? You should re-think this…
 
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Nehalem:
Code:
machdep.cpu.features: FPU VME DE PSE TSC MSR PAE MCE CX8 APIC SEP MTRR PGE MCA CMOV PAT PSE36 CLFSH DS ACPI MMX FXSR SSE SSE2 SS HTT TM PBE SSE3 DTES64 MON DSCPL VMX EST TM2 SSSE3 CX16 TPR PDCM SSE4.1 SSE4.2 POPCNT

machdep.cpu.extfeatures: SYSCALL XD EM64T LAHF RDTSCP TSCI
Westmere:
Code:
machdep.cpu.features: FPU VME DE PSE TSC MSR PAE MCE CX8 APIC SEP MTRR PGE MCA CMOV PAT PSE36 CLFSH DS ACPI MMX FXSR SSE SSE2 SS HTT TM PBE SSE3 PCLMULQDQ DTES64 MON DSCPL VMX SMX EST TM2 SSSE3 CX16 TPR PDCM SSE4.1 SSE4.2 POPCNT AES PCID

machdep.cpu.extfeatures: SYSCALL XD 1GBPAGE EM64T LAHF RDTSCP TSCI
[doublepost=1552789223][/doublepost]Docker is probably requiring SMX.
 
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juliovg

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some question now ....

1- so on my actual Mac Pro, I can't install docker ?
2- how ca I confirm that my cpu is Nehalem or Westmere Xeon?
3- what your last code means ?
4- there is an option I could establish the origin ROM, and maybe try to make docker works on my Mac Pro ?

Thanks you so much for your help

Regards
 

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your current CPUs are Nehalem CPUs

this is why docker wont run

your firmware has no affect on your issue

infact you need the firmware your on, to allow Westmere CPUs to work, which is what you need to run docker

TLDR: upgrade to Westmere CPUs to run docker, dont worry about your BootROM
 
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some question now ....

1- so on my actual Mac Pro, I can't install docker ?
No. Docker requires instructions that you processor don't have. You have to upgrade your Xeons to Westmere.
2- how ca I confirm that my cpu is Nehalem or Westmere Xeon?
Nehalem.
3- what your last code means ?
Diff between Nehalem and Westemere.
4- there is an option I could establish the origin ROM, and maybe try to make docker works on my Mac Pro ?

Thanks you so much for your help

Regards
Downgrading to MP4.1 will bring you nothing.

A MP4,1 firmware won't run Sierra, a Docker requirement, and you don't have Westmere Xeons, another requirement.
 

juliovg

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Thank @LightBulbFun ans @tsialex

Si after your answers, my main question will be:

1- is it possible to upgrade to Westmere CPU ?
2- which are the steps that i have to follow to do this?

I don’t want install a virtual machine and after that install ubuntu and after that docker.... grgrgrgr

3- why since vmware fusión i can enable virtualizatiom option when i install ubuntu? This option must depend of my Mac Pro has or not has this option too????

Beso regards
 

tsialex

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Thank @LightBulbFun ans @tsialex

Si after your answers, my main question will be:

1- is it possible to upgrade to Westmere CPU ?
Yes.
2- which are the steps that i have to follow to do this?
Buy two Westmere Xeons like X5677, X5680 or X5690, de-lid them and then install it. There are lots of threads about the upgrade process, just use the search.

I don’t want install a virtual machine and after that install ubuntu and after that docker.... grgrgrgr

3- why since vmware fusión i can enable virtualizatiom option when i install ubuntu? This option must depend of my Mac Pro has or not has this option too????

Beso regards
Can't answer that, VMware Fusion or Ubuntu are making something, maybe even Docker for Linux don't need Westmere only instructions. Ask Docker support directly.
 
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Hello everyone
I have a problem with my Mac pro 2009
some time ago (5 month ago), I had MP41.0081.807 ROM version (image first.png)
Now after some updates (upgrade firmware) and install Mojave, I have the next ROM 140.0.0.0.0
but I don't know why I have this ROM 140.0.0.0.0 now (image - second.png)

I need back to MP41.0081.807 ROM, does any body know how start ?

Thanks
Why would anyone want to do this?
 

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juliovg

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Hello @tsialex

Just One more thing : i'm looking fot this CPU . --> Intel Xeon 12-Core 3.46 GHZ X5690 Processor, my question is:

1- the new CPU must be Westmere to use docker? , because on docker requirements say --> Mac hardware must be a 2010 or new (see image docker)

2- my mac pro is early 2009 with firmware modified : from 4.1 to 5.1
a - will accept the new CPU ?
b - could i install docker before buy it and put into my mac ?

3- How much longer will I be able to continue using this mac in the future?

4- Wait for the new mac pro version (some forum says that will be this year) ?

Thanks so much

Regards
 

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Hello @tsialex

Just One more thing : i'm looking fot this CPU . --> Intel Xeon 12-Core 3.46 GHZ X5690 Processor, my question is:

1- the new CPU must be Westmere to use docker?
I already answered this, even put screenshots. Don’t make the same questions again, it won’t change the answer.
because on docker requirements say --> Mac hardware must be a 2010 or new (see image docker)
2009 with MP5,1 firmware is functionally identical as a 2010/2012.

Some cheaper single CPU 2010 and 2012 Mac Pro models came with Nehalem Xeons too. These won’t work with Docker either.

2- my mac pro is early 2009 with firmware modified : from 4.1 to 5.1
a - will accept the new CPU ?
2009 dual CPU trays accept upgraded processors if you de-lid them.

Use the search, this is extensively covered here, please do your homework.
b - could i install docker before buy it and put into my mac ?
Sure, but Docker won’t even open.

3- How much longer will I be able to continue using this mac in the future?
Mojave will receive security updates until at least September 2021.

4- Wait for the new mac pro version (some forum says that will be this year) ?

Thanks so much

Regards
Only you can answer this.
 
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juliovg

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Sorry @tsialex .... you are right, i'll try to not repeat the questions.

About the quote 2-b
So after upgrade my CPU to a Westmere, Do you think I will not be able run/excute docker my mac pro?
(create images, work with container, etc ...)

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