This is one heck of a machine. It's so small at only 9 inches tall. Crazy. Hopefully people can look past the price.
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Indeed, having the machine actually inside the studio (control room) was an exiting prospect for me, then I realized that i would have to run a 5 drive thunderbolt array right next to the Mac Pro. = Fan and HDD noise.
So back to the machine room it is, and now I will have to fiddle around back of the Mac Pro for the on off switch.
We're running DVI extenders through our various cable chases here, with Mini Dispay Port adapters as necessary. 4 x monitors. Also running FW800 extenders for the audio interfaces, and then there are USB extender cables and chained powered USB hubs to extend our USB. This will all have to be tested, adapted and re-eqipped to use with the new Mac Pro, which will be a major pain and expense, but hey.
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I'm sure you have no hobbies whatsoever, and work at your job 16 hours a day. Some people like to have one machine for both work and play. Is that really such a bad thing?
Inevitably there will be better GPUs available. Does anyone know if the video cards are upgradeable by the end-user?
I can't tell by looking at the pics or the specs.
I can't tell by looking at the pics or the specs.
The 12 core will be around $6,000. It looks like you will pay about a grand for every 4 cores you add. Obviously this is my guess. If I'm wrong don't quote me.
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Opinion opinion opinion.
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I like how Apple's endorsement guy for audio recording said, "It's quiet!" Please.
Yes, it's sad if Logic can't use Open CL. What a waste of processing power. How do you know Logic can't use Open CL?
While I agree with you that many pros don't use Apple's apps, and certainly most don't use Apple's apps exclusively, the fault doesn't lie with Apple that they're going with OpenCL instead of CUDA. OpenCL is an open standard. It can be implemented on any system. CUDA is a proprietary thing, and never should have been adopted to begin with by anybody (though I understand perfectly why it was). If you rely on an app that's CUDA-exclusive, the fault lies with the developer of that app. Now, I sympathize with developers developing with CUDA instead of OpenCL. In many cases, it just makes more sense, or made more sense at the time they first started. But it's bad for customers of their software, and OpenCL is really the future. We should all be rooting for OpenCL to "win" in the long run. Apple may be screwing some pros with this move, but they're doing the best thing for the long run, and no doubt this is good future-proofing on Apple's part, and Apple's customers will be the ultimate beneficiaries.
Bottom line, if you're a CUDA-dependant workflow, start yelling at the software developers now to get their stuff moved over to OpenCL.
Does this include Logic X ? What kind of documentation do you have regarding your statement that "all" of Apples pro apps are OpenCL based? I hope you are right, but for now I'm not convinced.
This fact is vitally important:
It seems the max power draw of this new Mac Pro is 450W.
Given the CPU can draw up to 125W, and each high end GPU draws 250W+ each (D700 here) something must be down clocked somewhere!
I'll hold my final judgement until we get benchmarks, but I'll be retiring my Mac Pro for a hackintosh.
It seems the max power draw of this new Mac Pro is 450W.
Given the CPU can draw up to 125W, and each high end GPU draws 250W+ each (D700 here) something must be down clocked somewhere!
I'll hold my final judgement until we get benchmarks, but I'll be retiring my Mac Pro for a hackintosh.
As a Mac Pro owner I was interested to get more info on the machine. It is a great machine and as Apple said it may be the future of the desktop. However it begs the question how many of us need that kind of machine? The MacBook Pro or a Mac Mini is good enough for most people.
Sure drop 3k on a base model from bragging rights but then secretly complain about the lack of storage as you star buying external storage.
Sure drop 3k on a base model from bragging rights but then secretly complain about the lack of storage as you star buying external storage.
Thought they said it was shipping with HDMI2.0? Meaning capable of 60hz...... or is 30hz a limitation of the GPU?
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I swear the fat guy mentioned "latest version of HDMI" in the keynote, surely it won't ship with 1.4??
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I'm curious to see how user repairable this new Mac Pro is....
Then again, it's probably not terribly friendly. Custom components that aren't replaceable by anyone save for Apple? :-(
Then again, it's probably not terribly friendly. Custom components that aren't replaceable by anyone save for Apple? :-(
It doesn't come with a keyboard or mouse for $4000.00 in Australia.
Do these pups ship from the US or China? So if I order the base model from NYC I pay $3000 and if I order one from Sydney Australia I pay $4000? Hmm it would fit in a suitcase right?
I did fit an old Pro into my suitcase. So you should be able to fit 8 of these.
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I don't need a Pro, but I'd love one sat on my desk - awesome design and beauty
One thing I'm curious about is why they didn't put the fan at the bottom rather than the top? Why? Well, at the top it is in the warm airflow whereas at the bottom it would be in the cold airflow - and I imagine a 12-core Pro running at 100% CPU is going to get quite warm - so the fan would last longer.
One thing I'm curious about is why they didn't put the fan at the bottom rather than the top? Why? Well, at the top it is in the warm airflow whereas at the bottom it would be in the cold airflow - and I imagine a 12-core Pro running at 100% CPU is going to get quite warm - so the fan would last longer.
HDMI 2.0 specs are released, that is all. Doesn't mean any monitors or TV's are running that spec yet. It is possible to
As was said in the Keynote the HDMI port is primarily for a secondary display for monitor output. So to a Calibrated TV Monitor etc. ( something that normally would have a breakout box / specialist card )
Same reason they chose AMD/ATI - they do much better 30bit colour output than the competition.
Thunderbolt/DP are still a much more useful connectors than even HDMI 2. HDMI cannot do power over the connecter, bandwidth way way lower. TB2 has file transfer, firewire and many other things that HDMI simply cannot have.
I can't find any info on these GPUs on AMD/ATI's web site?
Are these totally new cards or reincarnations of AMD/ATI's existing cards?
Not so much "new" as "custom"/"proprietary". Apple designed and makes these cards not AMD. Apple has licensed some stuff and buys a few basic components from AMD but it Apple's card.
It will show up once macrumors and other rumors sites get indexed.
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D300 approximately a W7000 ( less VRAM 2 versus 4 ) [ approximately AMD HD 7870 ]
D500 approximately a W8000 ( less VRAM and fewer cores and tweaked memory width ) [ approximatel AMD HD 7950 or AMD HD 7870 XT ]
D700 approximately a W9000 [ approximately AMD HD 7970 ]
Yes. This sweetwater video has them running a full Pro Tools HD setup with a control surface while recording to USB 3.0 drives. They mention it doesn't have any of the problems with USB 2.0 and below so it's a viable alternative to both an expensive Thunderbolt system that forces you to use RAID or expensive Thunderbolt to PCIe solutions with mulitple eSATA enclosures.
http://youtu.be/UYybe7QpAaQ?t=3m4s
This means basic JBOD USB 3.0 enclosures should do and you can get hot-swappable dual 3.5" bay versions of those for under £60 that your existing drives just slide into so migrating a fully loaded Mac Pro to a 2013 Mac Pro should be much cheaper than expected apart from the cost of PCIe enclosures for higher end system with DSP.
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/harddrives-external/harddriveenclosures/ib-3662u3.html
CPUs and GPUs these day draw power dynamically. If not doing much they draw less. If maxed out then draw closer to the upper limits. If the CPU shuffles work to the GPU and has to wait then its power draw can drop. Same on the flip side.
For workloads that light up all cores in all CPU/GPUs then yes something would have to give. Benchmarks whose primary purpose is to run individual components up to their "redline" aren't particularly going to be as informative as benchmarks which are reflective of more normal workloads. [ what is "normal" varies by app usage and user. ]
It isn't going to be surprising to find out that systems with double the power budget and benchmarks that are geared to soak up power budgets will turn in higher numbers.
i was a bit surprised that Apple didn't announce a new screen to team up with the new Mac Pro, considering its new 4k capability
the technology is probably not available yet
the technology is probably not available yet
It supports OpenCL which is the open standard. CUDA is an Nvidia proprietary API which is only available with Nvidea GPUs. They have gone the right way here.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that these cards have been slightly re-engineered, even downclocked (a not uncommon Apple tactic) to reduce power and heat.
I have a K5000 (PC, not Mac), and it draws a measly 120W... I should think they can get the W9000 closer to 200W. The 6GB K6000 runs on 204W, so I should imagine that's a fair target if they want to compete with nVidia.