Well, OpenCL has the benefit of being portable. If ATI flakes out down the road, they just move to nVidia (or whoever else comes along). Personally, I think the less tied-in to a specific provider they are the better off we are.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Mac Pro Launching in December with Xeon Processors, Dual FirePro GPUs and PCIe Flash Storage
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Well, OpenCL has the benefit of being portable. If ATI flakes out down the road, they just move to nVidia (or whoever else comes along). Personally, I think the less tied-in to a specific provider they are the better off we are.
There's no CD tray. Hence there's no back or front. Just turn the damn thing 180 degrees.
Does anyone else think this would look amazing in white?
I am concerned over the HDMI 1.4... and curious as to why Apple didn't just go the extra mile and include HDMI 2.0 since the spec has been finalized and released. There are some important caveat differences between 1.4 and 2.0, most notably that 1.4 can only do 4K video up to 30fps. Of course, you have Thunderbolt (Displayport), so professionals will be covered on the monitor side of things.
However, HDMI 2.0 is a hardware/firmware update, not a cable update. It could be that the Mac Pro houses HDMI 2.0 sleeper hardware but is firmwared at 1.4, leaving Apple to 'unlock' the 2.0 feature set at a date in the future when HDMI 2.0 devices become prolific. Time will tell.
I am concerned over the HDMI 1.4... and curious as to why Apple didn't just go the extra mile and include HDMI 2.0 since the spec has been finalized and released. There are some important caveat differences between 1.4 and 2.0, most notably that 1.4 can only do 4K video up to 30fps. Of course, you have Thunderbolt (Displayport), so professionals will be covered on the monitor side of things.
However, HDMI 2.0 is a hardware/firmware update, not a cable update. It could be that the Mac Pro houses HDMI 2.0 sleeper hardware but is firmwared at 1.4, leaving Apple to 'unlock' the 2.0 feature set at a date in the future when HDMI 2.0 devices become prolific. Time will tell.
It is a cylinder
It is a cylinder. It is round. It has a motion sensor. Just turn the I/Os to front and be happy. LOL
It is a cylinder. It is round. It has a motion sensor. Just turn the I/Os to front and be happy. LOL
Mac Pro Launching in December with Xeon Processors, Dual FirePro GPUs and PCI...
I am still using my 2007 Mac Pro with an SSD and uprated video card. I use a i7 laptop 15 inch for work with a Thunderbolt Display.
I wish I knew what all thee specs meant to get excited about.
I am still using my 2007 Mac Pro with an SSD and uprated video card. I use a i7 laptop 15 inch for work with a Thunderbolt Display.
I wish I knew what all thee specs meant to get excited about.
And no Hard Drive ? Alas, my hard disks are OBLONG and I do not think I can squeeze them in that ROUND hole .....
Does anyone have a mallet ? Maybe I will have to go Chunderbolt ? Or is USB3 good enough for a main drive ?? I was recently impressed when I combined a USB3 external and a macbook retina, quite snappy, better than Firewire 800...
Does anyone have a mallet ? Maybe I will have to go Chunderbolt ? Or is USB3 good enough for a main drive ?? I was recently impressed when I combined a USB3 external and a macbook retina, quite snappy, better than Firewire 800...
One of the GPUs is dedicated solely for driving display and graphics. The other GPU is dedicated for non-graphics processing. Normally when you run an application using OpenCL you are using up precious resources of the graphics card and so you can't be driving hard-core graphics and be super-crunching in OpenCL at the same time. The architecture of the Mac Pro solves this issue with two separate graphics controllers each dedicated for its own purpose.
The idea of having a separate graphics card in a high-end machine to use solely for non-graphics processing as a complement to the main cpu is a well established idea and is similar to an Intel Xeon Phi expansion card. The way Apple has done this in the Mac Pro is actually cheaper than a high-end PC Xeon Server with a single high-end graphics card and a single high-end Xeon Phi add-on card (which costs up to $4k just for the Xeon Phi card).
actually looking into it it does seem like good value, maybe I'll get one, ha!
----------
I'd say the power cord makes it the back.
Just like NAB was all about 3D just a couple of years ago?
4K isn't as useless as 3D, but it's still in its infancy (not to mention non-existant in the broadcast world). High end productions have been shooting, cutting, and finishing 4K for a while now. This new machine isn't going be some quantum leap in workflow performance. I'm not sure why so many think that equal or better results cannot be obtained with the competitor's offerings (albeit in a much bulkier and heavier product).
I'll admit, the design is impressive.
As for displays, most doing this level of work aren't going to be using Apple monitors anyway.
Those dual GPU's are there for a reason.
Do you even read before you reply or read your own responses?
No GPU can compensate for such an insignificant CPU power compared with a system 1/3rd the price. If this is too difficult to comprehend I have 3 words...
Buy That Marketing!
And 4 more...
They saw you coming
Do you even read before you reply or read your own responses?
No GPU can compensate for such an insignificant CPU power compared with a system 1/3rd the price. If this is too difficult to comprehend I have 3 words...
Buy That Marketing!
And 4 more...
They saw you coming
Depends on what you do. Those dual GPU's can give you more processing power compared to a twice as fast CPU in certain apps. And their cost is around the same as a CPU twice as fast. So it was kinda a judgement call for Apple.
So after 29 years they still see their main customers as the graphics industry?
They even mention audio use in the keynote so it's obvious that's not the case.
OpenCL isn't something that magically works with all the plugins that currently exist so even if you take that into account, for non-graphics usage, lower spec/cost GPUs that are more than adequate paired with a hex or 8 core CPU is still of more use than overkill GPUs that are largely under utilised for the system's primary purpose.
Higher core CPU's also have the same drawbacks. They are slower for single core tasks, which to date still are most tasks, and only some plugins and processes utilise all cores. I use myself an 8 core Mac Pro and I'll probably get a 4 core one now, not an 8 core since other than a few things, nothing utilises 8 cores, let alone 16 threads on a 8 core machine. And I want more single core speed. If I was doing renderings or big compiles constantly, yes a 12 core would speed up my workflow a LOT. But nowadays 8 cores or threads are enough for me. Although I have no use for dual GPU's either.
Read the Apple forums for the 5 minutes it takes to see all the problems people are having with the adapter using audio interfaces. Add the fact the only bus-powered external drives are USB 3.0 and then factor in the cost of compromising by using USB 3.0 or USB 3.0 to port multiplier adapters with multi-drive eSATA enclosures and you're still spending significant money compensating for leaving off 1 standard, widely used port and the missing internal expansion while still having issues with numerous audio interfaces.
Cost Seems Kinda High.
Seems kinda pricey to me. I built a Windows box the other day, 16 core AMD, 32GB RAM, 2 x 3TB Hard Drives, GeForce GTX 760 w/ 8GB Ram on Card and it was just over a grand for everything. Even with adding a nice Dual GPU, it just seems really pricey to me.
Marc
Seems kinda pricey to me. I built a Windows box the other day, 16 core AMD, 32GB RAM, 2 x 3TB Hard Drives, GeForce GTX 760 w/ 8GB Ram on Card and it was just over a grand for everything. Even with adding a nice Dual GPU, it just seems really pricey to me.
Marc
The SSD is pulling the price up a lot. Those cost more than CPU's for the lower end model.
So, like, when are they going to drop the new displays shoe? Why would they make a 4K capable machine without offering a complementary display?
Hope we don't have to wait until next fall for them. The current offerings are getting old. Really old.
Hope we don't have to wait until next fall for them. The current offerings are getting old. Really old.
I use the Apple keyboard because for my layout Apple is the only keyboard manufacturer that makes a decent one.
Do you really want an Apple 4K screen? You know they will use that glossy mirror-like screen coating. Buy one from anyone but Apple and you loose the glare and reflected images from in back of you.
I have to wonder if Apple really saves that much money by skipping the antireflective treatment. I'd be hapy to pay an extra $25 or whatever it costs
----------
Do you even read before you reply or read your own responses?
No GPU can compensate for such an insignificant CPU power compared with a system 1/3rd the price. If this is too difficult to comprehend I have 3 words...
Buy That Marketing!
And 4 more...
They saw you coming
(1) The MP is $3,000. What can run FCP X just as fast for $1,000?
(2) Yes the GPU is more importent than the PU is the job is media transcoding. The new MP is designed for Video. But if your task is to run a database then, yes GPU hardly matters
This new MP was designed to run Apple Pro Apps that make use of OpenCL.
----------
Back? It is a perfectly round cylinder. There is no "back".
----------
Looks like you have found a business opportunity. Become a grey market MP importer. Have a partner in the US buy them at the local Apple store and ship them to you. You sell them at $500 discount and make maybe $200 profit on each one. Can you sell 100 per month?
It doesn't come with a keyboard or mouse for $4000.00 in Australia.
Do these pups ship from the US or China? So if I order the base model from NYC I pay $3000 and if I order one from Sydney Australia I pay $4000? Hmm it would fit in a suitcase right?