The iMac has eight ram slots, twelve cpu cores, open PCI slots, and can take four internal drives? That's amazing news! Where's the link, I don't see it in the Apple store?
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The iMac has eight ram slots, twelve cpu cores, open PCI slots, and can take four internal drives? That's amazing news! Where's the link, I don't see it in the Apple store?
Likely not at this point. They about this 2-3 years ago so there was time to revamp to comply. Apple is the only one it seems that didn't bother, perhaps because of this redesign. Way go to a possibly expensive fuss to revamp for this issue when something brand new is coming out a few weeks/months later. And sales are likely done anyway due to Cook's comment
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Is that what you said to your 6 year old who could very easily open up the side of the machine and poke fingers around out of curiosity.
Here is something interesting to educate the people who don't understand why people need as much power as possible.
http://themovieblog.com/2009/some-crazy-transformers-2-technical-facts/
Look at the rendering times - that is why they have computers connected together to do the render collectively. Those computers count in thousands of cores (I think Framestore for example has aroung 5k CPUs in their render farm)
So, now back to mac pro on smaller scale.
12 core cuts the rendering time vs 6 core almost in half. So, if you render your project for 3 days on a 6 core but only 1.5 days on 12 core then you would understand why there is NEVER ENOUGH power. That is why Mac Pro is needed. iMac is a toy for consumers and prosumers but not professionals especially not when it comes to rendering etc.
So, those of you ignorant about these facts, could you please educate yourself so you don't have to insult us with your lack of knowledge?
http://themovieblog.com/2009/some-crazy-transformers-2-technical-facts/
Look at the rendering times - that is why they have computers connected together to do the render collectively. Those computers count in thousands of cores (I think Framestore for example has aroung 5k CPUs in their render farm)
So, now back to mac pro on smaller scale.
12 core cuts the rendering time vs 6 core almost in half. So, if you render your project for 3 days on a 6 core but only 1.5 days on 12 core then you would understand why there is NEVER ENOUGH power. That is why Mac Pro is needed. iMac is a toy for consumers and prosumers but not professionals especially not when it comes to rendering etc.
So, those of you ignorant about these facts, could you please educate yourself so you don't have to insult us with your lack of knowledge?
If lawyers and society were under control, we wouldn't be at this stage where you get sued for your dog pissing on someones lawn. Getting sued for being stupid.
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You must really hate that some of us spoke up that we are using iMacs etc. because we have render farms for our power.
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Apple is in this to make money so they shifted like six years to focusing more on the folks that would make them money. And it's not the creative pros. Truth is, bottom line they could just drop the Pro and it wouldn't make that huge of a dent in their cash flow because' like the Xserve, it is not a huge selling item compared to the rest. Most of the world has no clue either ever existed because they only need an iMac or Mac mini to back up their iPads etc. Mobile is the face of Apple now.
Even though that was a good read, how many of those professionals are really on here? I mean those are real professionals. Movie industry stuff. Nothing like that speaks out on this forum.
I'm not implying that justifies lack of Mac Pro power.
I feel so puny after reading that article.
Speculation with nothing to back it up. And even if profits from MP aren't that much, having the machine available is a factor in sales of apps like Logic and FCX. Kill the MP and a considerable number of users of those apps are going to be forced to look at alternatives that run on windows.
Which adds up to "only" 60k per year, which estimating conservatively the lowest priced MP, makes "only" 150 million in revenue. There's no question they're making a decent profit margin on these considering the old components they are built with. It's not like the R&D cost for MP is high, they're covering that easily.
Excellence and high end super user adjustable are not even close to the same. In fact one could argue that excellence and using the latest and untested tech just to say you are using it are not the same, not even close.
In the end what this comes down to is get over yourself and get over it. Apple is a publicly traded company so despite what they say they are in this to make money, not art. These high power needing pros need to get over their egos and face up to the fact that they are not the end all and be all of Apple users or Apple's focus. If Apple isn't giving them what they need they need to shut up with the griping and the threats to move in and just do it. There are very few things out there for which a Mac Pro is the only possible solution and nothing else can be used, must less one running whatever processor some company is about to release. We've all been around Apple long enough to know that they won't put in this years tech unless they designed and built it themselves because they want to test the heck out of it to be sure it fits their definition of good. So if you insist on such things you'll be disappointed. So just move on already and avoid the issue.
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That's what render farms are for.
Ah, shame. I've been digging all over the internet for more shots of that building, but haven't found any besides that one I've got posted. If it was some place near you, I was gonna beg you to go out and take some pictures for me.
Beautiful! Wouldn't it be cool to make that an electrical or hydrogen charging station, bring it back to life. Or maybe a Diners & Dives sort of restaurant. Or even a high end one. Or one of those houses made of repurposed buildings.
Or the new Mac Pro assembly plant. How many did they sell last year?
Even though that was a good read, how many of those professionals are really on here? I mean those are real professionals. Movie industry stuff. Nothing like that speaks out on this forum.
That's pretty insulting. I'm a professional photographer, and also work in video. My wife is an epidemiologist, and she is crunching numbers out the wazoo!!! The more power, the better. Yes, we both have MBPs but that is only good in the field. she actually needs much more power than I do - but large images and video are also cpu hogs.
By the way, don't feel puny after reading that article. feel empowered and educated!!!!
Here's one for that person who thinks those films could've been done on an iMac:
"* If you rendered the entire movie on a modern home PC, you would have had to start the renders 16,000 years ago (when cave paintings like the Hall of Bulls were being made) to finish for this years premiere!"
We can do on a iMac (even a Mac Mini) what we can do on a Mac Pro IF WE USE SOME EXTERNAL PROCESSING RIG, as a Dedicated-Personal Render Farm, on some Linux Boxes connected to the Mac using Thundebolt Technology.
Read This: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/render-farm-node,2340.html
Of Course, some people can handle the mess to build a Personal Render Farm, or their software isn't ready for such resource.
For Those, is the Mac Pro.
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I bet on a new Mac Pro with Updated Chipset ( and Ports), and Slimmer Form Factor (maybe a Cube, but not MacMini-cube) Ditching 3.5" hdd for 2.5"hdd, w/o internal CD/DVD, Much Improved Thermodynamics, and maybe a Propertary Video Card Slot (undiserable, but a real possibility, I Fear).
Read This: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/render-farm-node,2340.html
Of Course, some people can handle the mess to build a Personal Render Farm, or their software isn't ready for such resource.
For Those, is the Mac Pro.
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I bet on a new Mac Pro with Updated Chipset ( and Ports), and Slimmer Form Factor (maybe a Cube, but not MacMini-cube) Ditching 3.5" hdd for 2.5"hdd, w/o internal CD/DVD, Much Improved Thermodynamics, and maybe a Propertary Video Card Slot (undiserable, but a real possibility, I Fear).
You're right. But I have a different story since I had to upgrade my studio's Mac Pro and no new MP was expected, I turn myself toward a MacBook Pro 15" i7 (the MBP9,1 - not the retina's) and give it a try. For the PCI card problem - (I run Soundscape hardware with a Madiextreme PCI sound card) - I tried a couple of solutions and finally went to Sonnet's EchoExpress Pro PCIe to Thunderbolt chassis. (http://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/index.html). From these devices, I hooked up my monitor on the same Thunderbolt chain. All HDD are chained under the FireWire 800 port in an external 4 trays tower. All I can say it's "wow!". It work perfectly, no lag in session recordings, and it's a very quiet setup that doesn't heat as my old Mac Pro.
So, I don't know, even in a professionnal context, I think things had changed and in the end, it didn't amputated my workflow.
Here is the replacement product.
https://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/1...h-as-an-even-more-personal-personal-computer/
https://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/1...h-as-an-even-more-personal-personal-computer/
I think that the next Mac Pro will be quite a different machine from the one it is now, I think that Apple will leverage Thunderbolt to the hilt on the new machines. I can see a smaller, more rack friendly machine like a new X-server that has a large core count CPU and a large bank of memory slots but the GPU and the hard drives will reside in a TB connected PCI box bought to the size you want. Then large server farms and hi-computational science applications would stack up what they want and equip as they need. The unit could be cheaper but I'm afraid it may be more of a hassle for the single power user vs the corporate user. Apple seems to be making that delineation. The whole idea of TB seems geared for power users and I think the new tower/rack/whatever will depend on it.
Thanks for the lecture. Should we also educate ourselves on how much Apple profits per dollar invested in Mac Pro versus dollar invested elsewhere? We might also take a lesson on why Apple wouldn't invest money in less profitable spheres, regardless of how important someone thinks their work is. Maybe if we're ignorant on how much the Real Professionals doing Super Important Work actually contribute to Apple's bottom line, we should find out instead of assuming it's significant? I think that'd be swell.