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Rear ports problem???

I hear a lot of people saying the ports being on the back is a problem. But since the device is round the ports can be on the front the left or the right not just the back. Just my 2 cents. I say the ports are on the side of my Mac Pro if it sits on my desk.
 
What is with all the people complaining about the ports on the back?? I just don't get it?!?!

The MacPro is just 10" tall and 6.5" in diameter.

So seriously, you're going to have problems reaching ALL the way around to the back to reach USB and TB2 ports? Like this some over sized PC tank server sized black box????

This is like complaining your new Porsche has a fuel filler in the front, and not in the back like your old Chrysler K-car. :)

I would be very happy to have this on MY DESK. With the cables in the back so I can enjoy the beautiful finish on this piece of art.
 
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The Verge noted that the location of the Pro's ports -- on the back of the device -- can make connecting and disconnecting plugs a pain, ...

Can't you make the back the front by just turning it around and leaving it that way if you need frequent access to ports? :confused:
 
All will be fine. Once developers take advantage of the two powerful and precise GPU, this thing will scream.


That is definitely a option for me. For now, i stick to my iMac..and order this beast if the benches for the Adobe software i use will be on fire! :D
 
How does Premiere run on it compared to a Windows based pc using the same processors, RAM and top of the line video card setup?

Probably not that fast at the moment but Adobe have pledged to support OpenCL with premier so expect a version that will be lightning fast on this machine in the near future especially now we know how fast Apples own offering is now.

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Can't you make the back the front by just turning it around and leaving it that way if you need frequent access to ports? :confused:

That's exactly what I thought, its a cylinder so there is no real difference between the back and the front except for the ports.
 
Maybe "your friend" can point us to Workstations made by large OEM's that use anything better than a 12 core Ivy Bridge? That's all that HP and Dell offer..... Remember Apple only is only competing with those guys. Anything else are boutique companies selling to studios and what not.

Dell offers workstations with two CPUs. For example, this one, which offers 16 physical cores for less than $5000. (I assume dual 12 core units are available too.)

Description
Dell Precision T5610 Workstation – Build Your Own
Date & Time: December 13, 2013 2:31 PM CST

SYSTEM COMPONENTS

Dell Precision T5610 Workstation – Build Your Own Qty 1
Dell Precision T5610 CTO Base, Windows 7 Professional, No Media, 64-bit, English Unit Price $4,747.92
Catalog Number: 25 CUPT5610W7PP

Precisions Workstations T5610 Dell Precision T5610 CTO Base CT5610 [210-AAUF]

Operating System Windows 7 Professional, No Media, 64-bit, English W7PN61E [421-5607]

Memory 16GB (4x4GB) 1866MHz DDR3 ECC RDIMM 16GB4 [370-AATO]

Keyboard US English (QWERTY) Dell KB212-B QuietKey USB Keyboard Black USBEE [580-AADG]

Monitor Monitor not included NMN [480-AAJX]

Video Card 1 GB AMD FirePro V3900 (DP, DVI) (DP-DVI, DVI-VGA adapters) V3900 [490-BBRO]

Hard Drive 1TB 3.5inch Serial ATA (7.200 Rpm) Hard Drive 1T72 [400-AAWN]

HDD Controller Integrated Intel AHCI chipset SATA controller (2 x 6Gb/s, 4 x 3.0Gb/s) – SW RAID 0/1/5/10 INTG [403-BBDT]

Optical Drive (Hard Ware only) 16X Half Height DVD +/- RW DRWHH [429-AAIW]

Processor Dual Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-2650 v2 (Eight Core HT, 2.6GHz Turbo, 20 MB) 252650 [338-BCSD]
[412-AABU]

TOTAL: $4,747.92
 
As of this morning the cnet review has garnered 1,385 comments, Engadget review 942 comments, the Verge review 526c comments. Say what you will about the machine, it sure is getting attention (which I'm sure is what Apple wanted).
 
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What is with all the people complaining about the ports on the back?? I just don't get it?!?!

The MacPro is just 10" tall and 6.5" in diameter.

So seriously, you're going to have problems reaching ALL the way around to the back to reach USB and TB2 ports? Like this some over sized PC tank server sized black box????

This is like complaining your new Porsche has a fuel filler in the front, and not in the back like your old Chrysler K-car. :)

I would be very happy to have this on MY DESK. With the cables in the back so I can enjoy the beautiful finish on this piece of art.

I personally don't have problems with the ports being on the backside, most desktop computers do the same, including iMac and Mac Mini. But I would love a few front ports for emergency switch or plug. Say 2 USB + 2 TB ports in the front along with the rest of stationary ports on the rear.
 
And for comparison, here's a HP Z820 workstation, dual Xeon 6 cores (12 cores total), 16GB RAM, 240GB SSD, 1 TB HD, and NO graphics card

for $10K !!!! :eek:

http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTE...63_us/en/pc_comm/workstations/wsfamily/buynow

$10K PLUS graphics card(s)? Is the MacPro pricing really so bad?

I've been pricing other workstations from various vendors. I try to get them as close to the Mac Pro the best I can.

The Mac Pro is cheaper in most configurations.

Hell... I configured one Lenovo workstation. I only got to the same 12-core processor you'd find in the top-end Mac Pro and 64GB of RAM... and it was already $12,000

That was with no video cards or hard drives!

I configured a Dell the same way... and it, too, was more expensive. And that was with a single video card and regular spinning hard drives... not fast PCIe storage or dual workstation video cards.

Sure... there are workstations out there that you can configure a little bit cheaper than a Mac Pro. But none of that matters if you need Mac OSX

It's looking like the Mac Pro offers a helluva lot for the price. Especially if you need a Mac.
 
I've said this before in several other threads but it bears repeating again…

Many of these reviews compare this machine to the prior generation of Mac Pro. There is a solid number of owners who have MP 4,1 3,1 and even some 2,1 and 1,1. The point is, this machine is a massive upgrade in almost every way for those who have been holding out for 4+ years for a new machine.

And for those comparisons to today's iMac which doesn't have TB2 or the capability of having dual GPUs (which will dramatically increase processing power as more and more apps optimize for OpenCL) this machine has much longer legs than any other machine that Apple currently produces.

Yes, yes, and yes. After lurking in these boards for some time, I am amazed (not really) by how many people claim to know what they are talking about or claim they are "pros" (whatever that means) yet really don't have a clue about real world video work for real clients. If you perform video work for a living, you know that time = money and even in PPro CC your renders will be significantly faster with dual GPU support already baked in for export/render out.

The Verge review doesn't come close to telling the whole story. It is true that FCPX compared to Adobe CC as currently implemented may be much faster when editing in real time 4K files because it uses two GPUs at once not only for render/encode but for playback while editing. Adobe CC only uses 2 GPUs on rendering/exporting/encoding, not during editing. Hell, it doesn't even use the GPU at all for decoding of compressed formats (google for Adobe's whitepaper on GPU usaage). FCPX does, so of course real time debayer of RED 4K footage is going to be faster. That just makes sense.

It is probably true that, given 4 cores to 4 cores and even the dual 700s, that the top line iMac will be roughly the same speed as the nMP (give or take 10%) insofar as real time editing on Adobe CC is concerned. At first, that makes it seem like a glorious waste of money to buy the nMP until Adobe enables dual GPU enhancements while editing. However, that's only the surface of the pool. Dive in and it gets more interesting.

For example, up that CPU count to 6 or 8 cores, and you'll start to see significant speed increases across the board in Adobe CC because it's so CPU dependant. These won't blow your socks off though, because it's still COU rendering. But it's up to twice as much depending on your configuration so that's not "nothing". Now the real star - the dual GPUs - do not get utilized until export/render wth the current version of Premiere Pro under Adobe CC. When you click export/render or encode in AME, then you'll be saving a ton of time. And for those people where every minute costs time that they could be working on another paid project (or living their life), that nMP cost starts to look worth every penny.

People seem to miss in their fog of geekdom and odd interntian over-reaction that even in the Verge review they mentioned the Adobe CC render time was pretty damn fast. Apparently, that's not important to the Verge video team. Their video team wants to see effects rendered on 3 or 4 4K files in real time (never mind they never target 4K for distribution or source it with their C300s), and currently that's only possible with FCPX 10.1. But at the end of the day, when you render out, the nMP will blow away your iMac or rMBP in Adobe CC too. To me, that's what matters most.

Now don't get me wrong, I'd love to playback in full res for everything all the time while editing 4K in Adobe CC. (I can't even do that with some layered effects on my top line iMac in 1080 now, never mind 4K). But it's not the end of the world as long as my renders are quick. We all know Adobe will update CC to add dual GPU editing to stay competitive, so then we'll get that benefit too in time. To come back to the referenced post - this machine has legs as software improves, but let's not lose sight that it has a lot of power now too for current software.

The nMP is a long haul machine. It's not much faster than a (still very fast) last generation Mac Pro for real time editing in Adobe CC, but as FCPX 10.1 illustrates it has the legs to get much faster. It still offers far more rendering power than a last gen Mac Pro in CC, never mind an iMac. That's the reality of the situation, no matter what the hipsters at the Verge "feel".

The nMP however not necessary for anyone who can afford to render out and go do something else. For all those people, a rMBP (15") or iMac will be great. I have edited plenty of a major project on just those machines with no issue. So why did I order the nMP? To render faster so I can do more. The render speeds are the one thing that keep me from getting more paid work done. Time is money as they say. In the long run (3 years) this machine will pay for itself 15x over, and I'll be able to do more. That means it's an effective tool for people who are paid to create with it. Period. Let's not get caught up in the geekery minutia. If it's enabling people to do more faster and make more money, then it's a success. Even if I might forgetfully throw trash it in it now and then. ;)

P.S.: Through all of this, it may be time to take another look at FCPX, which I hated when it came out, after a brief excitement having seen it launch at NAB back when. It's been vastly improved over time, including the latest version which addresses some key flaws with media management. And at no additional cost to the user to boot. Competition is good.,=
 
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I've been pricing other workstations from various vendors. I try to get them as close to the Mac Pro the best I can.

The Mac Pro is cheaper in most configurations.

Hell... I configured one Lenovo workstation. I only got to the same 12-core processor you'd find in the top-end Mac Pro and 64GB of RAM... and it was already $12,000

That was with no video cards or hard drives!

I configured a Dell the same way... and it, too, was more expensive. And that was with a single video card and regular spinning hard drives... not fast PCIe storage or dual workstation video cards.

Sure... there are workstations out there that you can configure a little bit cheaper than a Mac Pro. But none of that matters if you need Mac OSX

It's looking like the Mac Pro offers a helluva lot for the price. Especially if you need a Mac.

That's agreeable. For the most part high end MacPro configuration competes really well with other brands workstation. That's either because nMP is really good, or maybe workstation products are generally suck and lackluster for savvy consumers? Quadro and FirePro price point is really high for what you get.

Cost of base $2999 quad MacPro, however is a bit hard to swallow because it competes neck to neck with maxxed out iMac. The Haswell i7-4771 in iMac is actually faster than a single Xeon quad E5 in MP. Then also the GTX 780M is a capable video card even if you use it strictly for video editing, even compared to dual D300 on MP since it's only a low end AMD workstation card.

Lastly the iMac also already come with built in display, mouse and keyboard. Along with it you can add a 512GB PCI based SSD for a screamingly fast I/O, and even then it will still be a bit cheaper than a plain vanilla MacPro.
 
P.S.: Through all of this, it may be time to take another look at FCPX, which I hated when it came out, after a brief excitement having seen it launch at NAB back when. It's been vastly improved over time, including the latest version which addresses some key flaws with media management. And at no additional cost to the user to boot. Competition is good.,=

Might be part of the nMP strategy. Make the HW/SW so compelling to get people to take a serious second look at a piece of software that ONLY runs on your platform.
 
Cost of base $2999 quad MacPro, however is a bit hard to swallow because it competes neck to neck with maxxed out iMac.

If you don't need any of the aspects that make the nMP special (expandability, workstation class CPU, dual GPU's, faster SSD, faster memory and higher max) than the iMac is the better deal. If you do, it's not. I think Apple is happy as long as you pick one of those two over a Windows/Linux machine.
 
What an incredibly (Adobe) biased review. Review the hardware, not how a different companies software performs on it. This is an incredible machine.

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If you don't need any of the aspects that make the nMP special (expandability, workstation class CPU, dual GPU's, faster SSD, faster memory and higher max) than the iMac is the better deal. If you do, it's not. I think Apple is happy as long as you pick one of those two over a Windows/Linux machine.

iMac's do not have dual GPU's and that's the biggest draw. If somebody bought a maxed out iMac over a Mac pro, then they obviously do not work in the environment these were made for.
 
I'm in agreement with those who wants a few ports on the front.

Occasionally I find the need for front data ports during a work session with a client where I'm using multiple USB sticks and/or portable FW raids to transfer data.
 
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And the cables already plugged in do what? When you spin it? You'll have to horse around several of them, including a power cord.

So let's see now . . . right hand on the cylinder, left hand gathering together all the cables so they don't pull out (because none of them have any form of positive locking) . . . lucky that they're all the same length, otherwise the shortest one would stop the spin . . . .

I've wondering about this since the intro, way back when. I've yet to see anybody explain how to handle the snakes back there.

Am I missing something?

Yes you are. He means begin with and leave the ports facing you and then there is never any "turning" that you all are worried about ...

Not to mention this is an imbecilic complaint from all of you because as many have said, one can leave the ports in any orientation they'd like - it's a ****ing cylinder. And most people will daisychain the thunderbolt drives, or have a hub, or monitor that many things remain connected to - but regardless it's your personal choice to have the ports wherever you want. IT'S ROUND.
 
I'm in agreement with those who wants a few ports on the front.

Occasionally I find the need for front data ports during a work session with a client where I'm using multiple USB sticks and/or portable FW raids to transfer data.

Do you think that one of those USB hub meets your need?
Most of them are designed for laptop and have very short cable. Please pick one with at least 3ft cable.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=USB+3.0+hub
 
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From what I have heard from a friend of mine who is heavily invested in CGI (working on hollywood blockbusters) this is not quite the machine many pro users have waited for. They asked for a smaller machine that is massively faster and what they got was a massively smaller machine that is just a bit faster.

As a pro User i dont know if I would really consider this a great buy. Expandability is rather limited (what if I want to change a Gpu? )

But personally - I would totally love having one. It is just a very sexy machine.
that price though.

I totally agree. It's cool looking if I wanted to spend $3000 on a Mac pro a little faster than my current one with all kinds of add-on hurts. But, umm, I don't want to at this point. It's really not much faster than my current Mac Pro with a single FIREGL card.

I think this might be Steve Jobs last project that he didn't think was quite ready yet.

It just doesn't beat by much a lot of pro standards or Mac desktop standards and it's expensive and requires all kinds of add-ons.

I have a Steve Jobs quote here, "Bag of hurt."
 
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