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Because working with keyboard is much more productive and ergonomic than working with mouse.

Umm, no. See below.

I think one thing I still haven't quite gotten used to is window management. I'm used to being able to just click on the taskbar to go back to the exact window I want in Windows.

But in OSX, I find myself having to launch Mission Control or actually search for one I was looking for. I guess another way is to use multi desktops? Idk :confused: Is there a better way?

Want to add my 2 cents on this topic after just 10 days with OSX. It's quite clear the OSX trackpad gestures and keyboard commands are well thought out and superior to Windows offerings (Thinkpad trackpoint fans may reasonably disagree and that's fine for them), however IMHO a 5-button mouse offers better control and faster ability to complete many (not all) tasks. In particular, the mouse ability to precisely and quickly select text, then right-click for a myriad of options cannot be replicated with a trackpad. As someone who uses a mouse whenever possible OSX has been inferior to Windows.

IMHO the Windows taskbar is superior to the Dock. I have yet to see anything in the Dock that can't be incorporated in a taskbar, while the taskbar offers a level of access, precision and productivity not found in the Dock. If you work with a mouse, the Dock is simply inferior. (I'll be happy to be proven wrong with more than 10-days of experience.)

The other thing that annoys me about OSX is the lack of customization on the simplest of things. For example, you get a black pointer and you're going to like it. Period. Apple thinks you're an idiot who won't know if you're pointing at a link, so they've given you the (pointing) finger and you're going to like it. Period. For all the complexity that Control Panel gives you in Windows, there's something to be said for the customization it offers.

So why am I here on a Macbook? Because Windows screwed the pooch on W8. Because I need a high quality screen and Windows scaling on hi-res screens is horrible. I'm not a fanboy or a hater -- I'm eager to be an OSX convert and I readily admit that impressions based on ten days use may not be fully accurate. However, as someone who uses a five button mouse because it is superior to a trackpad for many important tasks and is used to a mouse being a highly productive tool, OSX has disappointed.
 
I haven't read all the posts... but I bought a Mac because it is based on Unix. That and it works nicely with my iPhone and iPad.
 
Two other random observations ten days in to OSX:

For something that's supposed to be simple, straight forward and easy, I've seen more references to using Terminal to accomplish things in ten days here than I've seen the Windows equivalent suggested in years. Text-based command computing was the last thing I expected to encounter or have to learn in the Mac world.

I've seen the spinning pinwheel more times in ten days on my i7/8gb/SSD Macbook than I saw the equivalent in two years on my W7 i5/4gb/320gbHDD-24gbSSD Thinkpad ultrabook. In fact, I don't remember the last time I saw a Windows hourglass or any indication of processing delay on the TP.

Both of these are shocking and unexpected.
 
Umm, no. See below.



Want to add my 2 cents on this topic after just 10 days with OSX. It's quite clear the OSX trackpad gestures and keyboard commands are well thought out and superior to Windows offerings (Thinkpad trackpoint fans may reasonably disagree and that's fine for them), however IMHO a 5-button mouse offers better control and faster ability to complete many (not all) tasks. In particular, the mouse ability to precisely and quickly select text, then right-click for a myriad of options cannot be replicated with a trackpad. As someone who uses a mouse whenever possible OSX has been inferior to Windows.

IMHO the Windows taskbar is superior to the Dock. I have yet to see anything in the Dock that can't be incorporated in a taskbar, while the taskbar offers a level of access, precision and productivity not found in the Dock. If you work with a mouse, the Dock is simply inferior. (I'll be happy to be proven wrong with more than 10-days of experience.)

The other thing that annoys me about OSX is the lack of customization on the simplest of things. For example, you get a black pointer and you're going to like it. Period. Apple thinks you're an idiot who won't know if you're pointing at a link, so they've given you the (pointing) finger and you're going to like it. Period. For all the complexity that Control Panel gives you in Windows, there's something to be said for the customization it offers.

So why am I here on a Macbook? Because Windows screwed the pooch on W8. Because I need a high quality screen and Windows scaling on hi-res screens is horrible. I'm not a fanboy or a hater -- I'm eager to be an OSX convert and I readily admit that impressions based on ten days use may not be fully accurate. However, as someone who uses a five button mouse because it is superior to a trackpad for many important tasks and is used to a mouse being a highly productive tool, OSX has disappointed.

You did not explain how exactly is the task bar superior to the dock? I feel like the task bar/dock is hardly required, all your open programs can be quickly accessed via CMD+Tab or mission control. All other icons+clock is located at the top with OS X and is much easier to access than expanding that section in windows.

As for the customizability, there is a lot you can do but it is just a bit harder + there is not a lot of information about it. I personally like that Apple does not have built in customization, as for most people it is not required and just provides an excess of menus.

My screen a few years ago -->
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Some tools to get ya started on customization :)

http://projects.tynsoe.org/en/geektool/

http://www.panic.com/blog/candybar-m...ion-and-beyond
 
You did not explain how exactly is the task bar superior to the dock? I feel like the task bar/dock is hardly required, all your open programs can be quickly accessed via CMD+Tab or mission control.

CMD+Tab with multiple windows open is not nearly as efficient as direct immediate access to all of them -- including instant access to the one you want -- in a taskbar. Why do multi-step processes like tab cycling thru open programs/windows or using Mission Control when a single taskbar point and click gets you exactly where you want to be? IMHO a five button mouse is a better navigating device and computing tool than a trackpad (you/others may disagree, which is fine), and the taskbar provides much better, more efficient functionality than the Dock.


Edit to add fyi.. "The requested URL /blog/candybar-m...ion-and-beyond was not found at panic.com."
 
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Umm, no. See below.

Want to add my 2 cents on this topic after just 10 days with OSX. It's quite clear the OSX trackpad gestures and keyboard commands are well thought out and superior to Windows offerings (Thinkpad trackpoint fans may reasonably disagree and that's fine for them), however IMHO a 5-button mouse offers better control and faster ability to complete many (not all) tasks. In particular, the mouse ability to precisely and quickly select text, then right-click for a myriad of options cannot be replicated with a trackpad. As someone who uses a mouse whenever possible OSX has been inferior to Windows.

Well, it seems you are simply not using your devices to their full abilities. A mouse is not an efficient device. Sure, its very good for pointing, but it has two core issues: a) to use a mouse you need to move/rotate your elbow and b) you need to move your hand away from the keyboard. When I am working with text, I have my both hands over the keyboard. If you don't - then we shouldn't be discussing these things at all, because you are not typing efficiently. To use the mouse, I need to remove one hand, grab the mouse, move the mouse, click the mouse and return the hand back to the keyboard. This is inefficient, both time wise and ergonomic-wise. You cannot even compare the speed of text selection with the mouse and a proper key-assisted editor; e.g. vim or emacs are extreme examples that let you select ranges of text with surgical precision with few keystrokes, but any good text editor allows you to select ranges of words and lines much quicker with the keyboard than with the mouse. In addition, Apple trackpad allows you to do text selection as precise as a mouse (and probably faster) . You just need to know how. I use my thumb to press down the trackpad and perform the selection with the pointing finger. Only minimal wrist motion is required - its more efficient than a mouse. Right click? Why would you need right click if there are keyboard shortcuts?

However, as someone who uses a five button mouse because it is superior to a trackpad for many important tasks and is used to a mouse being a highly productive tool, OSX has disappointed.

Well, here is your problem. If you refer to a mouse as a highly productive tool, then you are limiting yourself. When working with text, mouse (trackpad as well of course) is a workflow interruption. I prefer the trackpad just because its closer to the keyboard - for rare occasions that I need my mouse pointer, its faster to go down with my thumb than actually move my whole arm to the muse.

IMHO the Windows taskbar is superior to the Dock. I have yet to see anything in the Dock that can't be incorporated in a taskbar, while the taskbar offers a level of access, precision and productivity not found in the Dock. If you work with a mouse, the Dock is simply inferior. (I'll be happy to be proven wrong with more than 10-days of experience.)

That might be correct (no opinion), still, I find both of them borderline useless. Why would anyone need to use something like Dock or task bar if any application can be launched by a quick keystroke combination from Spotlight/Windows Search? Pressing CMD+Space, S, Enter is much quicker than navigating the moue pointer to the dock and clicking on the icon.

The other thing that annoys me about OSX is the lack of customization on the simplest of things. For example, you get a black pointer and you're going to like it. Period. Apple thinks you're an idiot who won't know if you're pointing at a link, so they've given you the (pointing) finger and you're going to like it. Period.

Whats wrong with having a consistent user experience? IMO, its a great strength of Apple's system - they have a very good user interface guidelines and a library of UI elements which makes implementing these guidelines a breeze. That said, you can customise lots of things in OS X - the whole OS is based on plug-in architecture after all. Windows customisation is also usually provided by third-party programs that implement custom rendering options etc. There are such programs for OS X as well.

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CMD+Tab with multiple windows open is not nearly as efficient as direct immediate access to all of them -- including instant access to the one you want -- in a taskbar. Why do multi-step processes like tab cycling thru open programs/windows or using Mission Control when a single taskbar point and click gets you exactly where you want to be?

First: how is this different from what the dock provides? Second - you don't need to tab cycle. Use CMD+Tab (hold the CMD) and click the icon. The mouse pointer is usually closer to the middle of the screen - this way its faster than moving it down to the taskbar/dock. Try it out ;)

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For something that's supposed to be simple, straight forward and easy, I've seen more references to using Terminal to accomplish things in ten days here than I've seen the Windows equivalent suggested in years. Text-based command computing was the last thing I expected to encounter or have to learn in the Mac world.

This is indeed surprising. What kind of things were you trying to do? Of course, you should learn how to use the Terminal if you want to get the most out of your system (simply because its more powerful than a GUI could ever be), but a 'normal' user doesn't need it at all. Unless you want to access some specific settings, in which case the command-line defaults is the most convenient tool.

I've seen the spinning pinwheel more times in ten days on my i7/8gb/SSD Macbook than I saw the equivalent in two years on my W7 i5/4gb/320gbHDD-24gbSSD Thinkpad ultrabook. In fact, I don't remember the last time I saw a Windows hourglass or any indication of processing delay on the TP.

This is also quite surprising. I don't get it often on my rMBP. Then again, OS X is much more eager to show the spinning wheel. On Mac, the wait cursor animation is used automatically by the windowing system under specific circumstances (e.g. if event processing takes long time). Under Windows, for the most case the application is responsible for setting the wait cursor. Most application simply don't bother.

P.S. Just to be clear, I do not consider OS X to be any more stable than modern Windows. Windows XP and before were crap in that regard. Since Vista (and even more so with 7), Windows is a very stable and fast OS. I firmly believe that any specialised professional that has to deal with one-two specialised applications only (like Photoshop) is better served with Windows.
 
@leman I'm not going to argue about absolute truths or inarguable betters. If your method works for you and you have no need for a Dock/taskbar, great. For me, a precision mouse with proper acceleration is a more efficient pointing/selecting device than a trackpad, even factoring in the fractions of seconds it requires to go back-and-forth from the keyboard. With hover/focus enabled on a taskbar, in literally seconds I can quickly and precisely select/copy content in any application, whip the pointer to the taskbar and up the newly focused window and place the curser in the desired spot to paste. I can do this no matter how many programs/windows I have open, without having to CMD-tab through to find the one I want. It works for me.

W/R/T the Dock vs taskbar, whether you use them or not I think you'll agree that their purpose is to enable users to accomplish things. So far in my brief use of the Dock I haven't found anything it enables me to do that can't be done in a taskbar, while OTOH, as noted above there are things the taskbar enables than can't be done with the Dock. So IMO the Dock is an inferior tool to accomplish things.

Again, as I said above, I'm happy to be proven wrong with more experience, but these are my observations less than two weeks in.
 
CMD+Tab with multiple windows open is not nearly as efficient as direct immediate access to all of them -- including instant access to the one you want -- in a taskbar.
If in hurry, just open up the app switcher (Cmd+Tab) and you can quickly select your target app with the mouse pointer.
If you want to see all open windows of an app, like in Windows taskbar, just double-finger double-tap on app's icon in the dock. This only works for Desktop apps, not for apps in other Spaces (e.g. full-screen mode). Those are revealed in Mission control. Again, if in hurry, just use a multi-finger gesture to open MC.
Since Vista (and even more so with 7), Windows is a very stable and fast OS.
IMHO, Vista, before SP3 doesn't even deserve to be called an Operating System. It's a Non-Operating System.
I will never forget being sold an ThinkPad T61 with inadequate HW conf to run Vista (basically w 2GB of RAM). That meant - the machine was unusable fresh out of the box. I made it into a Hackintosh (on the same hardware) and it performed like a champ. I've yet to encounter similar OOB experience on a Mac and OS X.
 
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