Hmm, the initial graphic post announcement didn’t have the hdmi or sdxc port showing.
Thats why I double checked apple.com before claiming something. But just the screen, speakers, fast charging, and battery upgrade are worth more than the $100 premium over the 8/512 M2 MBP.
Nonsense.
Shareholders want value in their investment in a company, problem is so does the customer. Its the latter Apple forgot about.
You are going to love the Apple wheel when its released.
The way you opened your first sentence, I was thinking for a second you were about to write you traded your wife on an M1. Glad you kept her and got her computer upgraded instead. Not sure how she would have felt having her picture appearing on the refurbished store.
Yeah it will beat it. In a very limited and cynical way, not intended to reflect the architectures real capability because with bad yields, you aren't getting that goodness and we want to upsell you to a Max anyway.
How big is the club you are in? Do you think your much wanted M3 Mac Pro Ultra Deluxe Super Duper, will have the profit margin to replace the majority of Mac sales lost by not worrying about the masses?
I don't think it's about the lack of (perceived) value to the Mac at all. It's not that people aren't buying Macs and flocking to windows (the PC market in general is contracting). It's that the M1 chip represented such a huge generational improvement. This, coupled with the pandemic, resulted in a lot of people getting an M1 Mac between 2020 to 2022 and what we are seeing now is a lull in sales because the people who wanted a new Mac have gotten one and aren't upgrading anytime soon.
Ditching Intel really let Apple leap ahead in terms of the profit margin on Macs... the ridiculous markups do feel greedy at this point. They're more ridiculous now than ever.
It’s not misleading. It shows the 10 core M3Pro chip is being downgraded each revision in terms of Performance cores and actual performance.
I think is is more accurate than "Sales are down because Tim Cook is mean". I'll upgrade my iPhone XR, but I have no reason up upgrade my M1-Pro, my M1 iPad Pro, or my Series 8 Watch.
This kind of PR-oriented thinking (“don’t offer 8GB at all because there will be a huge turmoil, no matter if it makes sense or not, start with the more expensive one!”) only happens in tech forums. In reality, it’s better to sell a lower-end model if most people buy it and customer satisfaction is off the charts. I’d bet the standard MBPs make way more than 50% of sales.
It does feel like the best of both worlds here. I assume that even after factoring in the costs of designing their own processors, Apple is still saving on each processor they include in their Macs compared to buying the next best equivalent from Intel, while at the same time being able to ship their Macs in the desired form factors (thin and light, with great power efficiency).
That's a good thing but Apple will have some slight OS improvement that will only work with a new machine
Oh no!!!! People use tablets in sci-fi movies
Yep and they do it very well.
Lol, this is so loony many people are crying from laughing so freaking much.😂
There were many other variables that led up to the almost crash and burn Apple of the 80's.
You are spot on with this analysis.Buy her NOT-Apple earphones for pennies on the dollar and tell her it's Apple.
And then make sure she gets a lucrative degree, so she can afford to pay any price for Apple stuff when margins grow on to what: 55-60% in about 4+ more years?
As to representative, the point seems missed. MR is an Apple enthusiast site. Yes, it certainly draws in some Anti-Apple people too. But if you hang here, you probably aren't doing it solely to waste time talking about a topic of no interest.
If this crowd is generally very PRO Apple- and I certainly think it is- and this crowd is finding lots of faults with ever-rising prices, ever-rising margin, seemingly important features being cut in new generations and nickel & diming- while nothing completely new in the Appleverse- I don't think I'm the only person seeing it at a greater level than ever before.
Consumer frustrations- especially accumulating frustration- drives consumer defection.
Taking the concept to a micro, personal level, for the first time in well over a decade, I purchased a PC for "old fashioned bootcamp." And in getting the one I wanted I re-discovered costs like 8TB of SSD ($750 vs. Apples upgrade price of $2200) and 32GB of RAM ($100 vs. $600 for Apples upgrade price), etc. In fact, I purchased an entire gaming PC for less than Apple's 8TB SSD upgrade price... and equipped it with 10TB of SSD.
My old MB was failing due to old battery. So I wanted to give Apple too much money for the new MBair 15"... until I configured it as I wanted it and found pricing well in excess of MBpro. That revised my considerations back towards another MBpro... and then ultimately led me to choosing not to FARRRRRRRRR overpay for RAM & SSD ugrades but just put a $55 new battery in my old MB and ride it another year or two.
Furthermore, those 2 experiences together have me thinking that if RAM & SSD relative pricing doesn't significantly improve over the next 2 years, my next laptop may be a Windows PC... something I wouldn't even have considered 5+ years ago.
The point: accumulated goodwill will help motivate overpaying the premium to stick with the beloved platform for some amount of time as long as the goodwill is regularly recharged. How does Apple do that? Throw customer value some bones instead of seemingly making every decision for shareholders. Else, "could not even consider PC" Apple people can be moved to reconsider. And shareholders can't enjoy "another record quarter of profit" without consumers buying lots of Apple stuff.
Apple customers don't need shareholders at all. But that doesn't work the other way.Apple fans can read such comments and basically say "See ya..." but that won't work for Apple if MANY ever start questioning why RAM costs about 3X-5X market, why SSD can be 3X-5X market, etc. Eventually, even fools wake up to wanting (or needing) more for their money. And then the true benefits have a much greater burden to overcome very tangible negatives. Again, 5 years ago, I wouldn't even consider a Windows laptop. Over the next 2 years while I stretch this old MBpro, I'm thinking about it. And in 2 years, I will not pay these markups- or more- for M5 RAM & SSD. Is that just me? Maybe. But I don't think I read that between the lines of MANY fan posts.
Don't disagree, but let's not forget the current body came out in 2021, so it hasn't even been 3 years yet of this current design. Apple has historically always done a body refresh every 3-5 years (the butterfly - Touch Bar MBP came out in 2016), so this is really par for the course.
Yah, I think it's clear the pre-hype from 3nm didn't quite pan out. It's still a solid upgrade in its own right, but definitely more on the "iterative" end of the spectrum. In many ways, M1 was so good, it spoiled us in how large of a leap can be done... but this was really a "once in a decade" type leap. And the Space Black only on the higher end - Apple's done this many times before. At the end of the day, Apple is a "luxury tech brand", and while it's really opened up its target market, it knows how to let its higher-end customers get the "quiet benefit" of a product that others can see is the newest / latest / higher-end.M3 was the chip everybody seemed to be waiting for…but I am not so sure that it is compelling buy anymore …price increases, core and memory bandwidth changes and the same unusable 8Gb in a so-called “pro“ model…
and one more thing, why is the space black only on the higher end models? I could have been tempted by asthetics.
I don't quite agree on the 2nd part... Don't think it's meant to be malicious / hostile, it's just a way to differentiate the higher end. The non-Pro iPhones are obvious when they only have 2 camera lenses vs 3 in the Pros. TONS of people have the non-Pros even if it's obvious they didn't get the more expensive version, and I think there's zero "hate" from others who think those ppl are cheap. You're right that they make the Space Black only on the expensive models intentionally though.
Exact same boat. Day 1 buyer of 14" M1 Pro 32GB/1TB. Still fantastic, and have no thoughts or need to upgrade.
They already do! If you're in the US, Apple Card lets you finance 0% for 12 months!
Yes I think part of the "problem" is that the old 27" iMac was such a good deal. Like beyond good. The panel itself was basically worth the cost of the whole thing - it was almost like getting the "computer" part for free! It was a nice run but was probably skewed to customer value. I'm not surprised that eventually, in a way that made sense for Apple, they "equalized" the value-proposition to be more "fair". Unfortunate for those users, but I get it, as a large public corporation who needs to balance customer value vs growth and profits.
I'm keeping mine M1 16"MBP and M1 MBA. Nothing wrong with them. It's just wasting money to upgrade.
