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I've done this many times and use Internet Recovery to initialize the drive and install Mac OS. But those were in the good days when the hard drives were user accessible (like the 2012 MBPs).
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Mac Studio Storage Not User-Upgradeable Due to Software Block [Updated]
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Nobody is criticizing Apple for their transparency, we're critiquing their actions.
They've once again gone out of their way to make reparability less accessible on a device you OWN. That's not okay.
Misleading video and news by MR! You can't just swap the disks because of the built-in security chip in the Macs. He should have tested with Apple Configurator like you have to do when upgrading the disks in Mac Pro. That's what happens when youtubers rush to publish their videos without some fact checking.
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This is the reason: security, not "greed". The 2019 Mac Pro has the same issue. I suspect the upcoming Apple Silicon Mac Pro will be user-upgradeable, but the Studio was not designed to be upgradeable.
I don't care that they do this as long as they give us a way to flash it ourselves, like how it was with the Mac Pro. I understand its to prevent data theft by encrypting it, but give us a way to wipe it clean
Yeesh. I thought the justification for non-upgradable RAM and SSDs was that it was somehow necessary to keep the machines compact. Apparently not!
I cannot understand why in his first test he stated the SSD is wiped, then putting it into the new Mac *without* doing anything special such as entering recovery mode; I mean what did he expect, the Mac seeing an empty SSD and boots itself with nothing? (or is the original SSD still in place so he was adding a 2nd blank one?)
(I watch his video sometimes so I kind of like his persona, but seriously this time it looks too much like jumping to conclusion deliberately.)
That's pretty savage... Using a propritary ssd is one thing, but providing a second slot and locking it out is a pretty dick move. In 2022 it should NOT be this difficult to install a second drive in a desktop computer.
If I spend the money on this, let me tinker. If you want to make it where the warranty voids, thats fine, but allow me to mess up my own computer! By the time I would want to replace/repair/upgrade ram and ssd, It will be out of warranty anyway.
Hey Apple,
????
My interest in the Mac Studio went from 10,000,000,000%* to zero.
*Senku Ishigami reference for any other otaku out there.
????My interest in the Mac Studio went from 10,000,000,000%* to zero.
*Senku Ishigami reference for any other otaku out there.
Every time I think about becoming a full fat Apple fanboy, stuff like this emerges and brings me back down to Earth. That and having to cover buying Apple’s excess A13 inventory if I want a display from them.
I’d be surprised if they did. Unless that power supply has bleeder resistors across the high voltage caps, it might be risky for a noob with no respect for high voltage to mess with. Most electronic savvy folks would be fine, but Apple has to accommodate the lowest denominator here. Maybe they’ll allow Apple’s authorized service providers to upgrade it though.
Apple choosing to use a socketed SSD in Mac Studio may just allow them to keep costs down internally and have less logic board SKUs to produce and track.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Mac Mini from 2006-2009 used a socketed Intel processor, socketed memory, etc and Apple never allowed users to crack them open with a putty knife to upgrade them either. The iMac for years used a socketed processor as well. Apple never supported swapping out the CPU or even the hard drive.
Translation: We have control of the whole shebang and would prefer you not try to upgrade storage with janky ass m.2 el cheap brands and then call us to help tech support you out of the hole you put yourself in when you didn't need if you weren't such a bunch of cheapskates who still think a Mac should be a PC.
you know, I thought the original purpose of this machine was to be a smaller, cheaper but modular Mac Pro mini that allowed for expansion.
This just seems to be a thicker Mac Mini with a blazing fast chip that needs the extra space for Thermals
This just seems to be a thicker Mac Mini with a blazing fast chip that needs the extra space for Thermals
That is presumably coming at WWDC.
Pretty much.
But it is a new desktop Mac form factor and to me, that's a good thing, even if it is not something I am interested in (due to not needing the performance on offer).
What interests me here is that if one adds a second disk of storage and one has disabled SIP and allowed booting from all drives (what I do with these new T2 and M1 Macs by default, yes it's worse in the case of theft but it actually allows one to use external boot drives sensibly as Mac users have always done) if the second drive can at least be used as storage.
Or perhaps with most of the boot security disabled it would be possible to install an OS.
What won't work is not disabling SIP and boot security and then sticking a blank NVME disk in. Of course not.
A little information: T2 is an ARM SoC to offload security tasks from Intel Macs. Apple Silicon Macs do not need T2.
The ability to boot from external drives being dependent on the internal drive, even after turning off boot security, reminds me of some old Windows PC. It seems like a step backwards no matter how some may try to spin it:
An M1 Mac Can’t Boot from an External Drive If Its Internal Drive Is Dead - TidBITS
A little-noticed fact about M1-based Macs has started to get some attention. If the Mac’s internal drive is dead or fully erased, you can’t boot from an otherwise valid external drive. Why would Apple make that choice? Security, security, security.
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Every thread about Macs, there is somebody complaining about the price Apple charges to upgrade the RAM/storage.
Why can't these people just accept that this is Apple's business model? They are not selling hardware, they are selling the whole package.
Software companies often sell licenses to business that charge per-user. Nobody complains that they should be charging a flat-fee because additional users cost the vendor nothing.
You can think of what Apple are offering in the same way. You want to use the whole Apple system, you have to pay for how much use you get out of it. Somebody with more RAM/CPU/Storage is getting more use, so it's fair that they pay more.
A great result of this business model is that the entry level Macs (which make up a majority of Mac sales) are typically very good value.
Why can't these people just accept that this is Apple's business model? They are not selling hardware, they are selling the whole package.
Software companies often sell licenses to business that charge per-user. Nobody complains that they should be charging a flat-fee because additional users cost the vendor nothing.
You can think of what Apple are offering in the same way. You want to use the whole Apple system, you have to pay for how much use you get out of it. Somebody with more RAM/CPU/Storage is getting more use, so it's fair that they pay more.
A great result of this business model is that the entry level Macs (which make up a majority of Mac sales) are typically very good value.
Correctly if I'm wrong (as I usually am with stuff like this), but isn't the Mac Pro fully upgradable?
I believe the same hardware of the T2 exists, but the “Secure Enclave“ is just built into the M1 line and not a dedicated chip. So it’s potentially the same hardware and featureset at play in each system, with the hope that it’s the same potential work around. I believe the YouTuber was going to try this same Configurator workaround next, so we should soon find out.
Wow, you not only missed the topic by 2 countrymiles you also managed to do it on a level that only adding ancient aliens could make it worse.
Just because it didn't work for YT influencer doesn't mean it doesn't work or won't work in the future.