MacBidouille Rumors Followup

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MacBidouille posts regarding concerns about the similarities between the benchmarks and Barefeats' numbers as well as the concern of Bryce numbers (English Translation by Nonoche):

"We contacted our source about the too big similitudes between the benchs we received and those published by Barefeats, and were told that Apple took the numbers of the P IV and dual 1.42 from Barefeats and used their testing protocol. For Bryce [nonoche:not supporting multiple processors], here's the explanation we got:

"I should have told you, the benchmarks with Bryce... were done on a beta of a forthcoming version of Bryce, which should be released in July or August this year. Version 6 will support multiple processors... Bryce 6 beta is available on a few P2P sites, notably on hotline. The real file is Corel Bryce 6 beta.sit, and takes 91.2 MB"
We do not think this is a hoax in any case. A number of details of the dialogs we've been having for 2 months have been reaffirmed in several occasions, starting by the presence of the PPC 970 at the WWDC and the 64 bits optimisation of Panther. We mostly see there a lack of comprehension linked to the language barrier.
The editor clarifies that rumors should be taken for what they are -- rumors, and that they have more to lose by publishing rumors than to gain:

To conclude, if the rumor of the breathtaking performances of the PPC 970 reveals to be false, I will never again publish rumors. If the rumor gets confirmed and that the PPC 970 reveals to be the bomb we're all waiting for (which I am convinced), I will probably not publish rumors any more neither. Those informations will remain inside the team.
 

claughery

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Feb 4, 2003
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Well, they had the dudes over at slashdot convinced... and me too...
I think they are real...
 

richie

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Jul 16, 2002
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Well, they're being upfront about it all; it certainly endears the site and increases their believability to me - it won't be long till we see if they're right anyway!
 

tazznb

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Jul 22, 2002
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Any Champaigne left........?

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! :)

I hope to see all traces of the Geriatric 4 processor from the accursed Motorolla:mad:
 

zac4mac

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Jun 18, 2002
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I hope they're real.
I've been jonesing for a replacement for my DP550 for over a year, but the current offerings aren't enough bang for buck. Did get a 22" Cinema Display this year tho. Can't wait to get a DP970 with a Radeon 9800(?).

Z
 

tazznb

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Jul 22, 2002
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Negative feedback

If this proves to be true I hope all the naysayers (French HATERS) are happy since they are no longer devulging information for all of us to enjoy.:eek:
 

wallinbl

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Jan 11, 2003
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Originally posted by claughery
Well, they had the dudes over at slashdot convinced... and me too...
I think they are real...
/. is not hard to fool.
 

davy the bunny

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Jan 9, 2003
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As the editor said, rumors should be taken for what they are - rumors. . . Even though I'm excited I make sure to always exercise my skepticism, but that doesn't mean I have to call MacBidouille liars, maybe their sources. Let's all hope though!
 

Raiden

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Jun 14, 2002
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This is what I dont like about this place. When you guys actually get a piece of quite possibly true yet farfetched info, you immediatly bash and flame the living hell out of hit. Stuff like "It isnt real, its all fake, the [author] is a moron and a liar!" I was around when APPLE57 or whatever posted the powermac pics, and everyone flamed him, and didnt believe him, and drove him out of macrumors. Its so sad cause dont you guys want rumors or something?

This is macbidolues (whatever) chance, if they predict right, they will go down as a very creditable source. Screw this up and we dont have to pay attention to them ever again.

Simple as that.

Now if I may, the bookmarks seem very good, almost too good. I am afraid to get my hopes up, but if I were a betting man, I would say that these rumors are TRUE. Which is badass!! Im so going to buy one for college!
 

cb911

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Mar 12, 2002
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i think that most of the MacBidouille scepticism has been because of inaccuricies in the translation, like they say.

the real big one was probably when they rumored the 970 PowerBooks to be released for May, or WWDC, but then later corrected it to March 2004... not the news that people wanted to hear.

hopefully MacBilouille isn't put off by all of this and they will keep posting info as they get it.:)
 

Loa

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May 5, 2003
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Language barrier

I'm not surprised to hear MacBidouille talk about language barriers, but not the one they want us to think about.

I believe (read: I'm not certain) that the French text on their site (for this latest rumor) is a translation itself, probably from English. That would explain why they have a bilingual rumor.

I often translate English to French and some of the French wording looks like it's translated too closely from English: the syntax is just not right.

Anyway, food for thought.

Loa

P.S. I also believe, like Raiden, that some people here (I've been lurking for a long time) are taking some rumors too seriously... They're just rumors guys, no need to start religious wars over them. You may have contributed to MacBidouille's decision not to publish rumors anymore. And that's sad, considering the sources they appear to have. We'll know soon enough if they were accurate or not: when we do, please remember what you said in your posts. Was it worth it?
 

zigi

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Apr 5, 2003
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Re: Language barrier

Originally posted by Loa
I'm not surprised to hear MacBidouille talk about language barriers, but not the one they want us to think about.

I believe (read: I'm not certain) that the French text on their site (for this latest rumor) is a translation itself, probably from English. That would explain why they have a bilingual rumor.

I often translate English to French and some of the French wording looks like it's translated too closely from English: the syntax is just not right.

Anyway, food for thought.

Loa

P.S. I also believe, like Raiden, that some people here (I've been lurking for a long time) are taking some rumors too seriously... They're just rumors guys, no need to start religious wars over them. You may have contributed to MacBidouille's decision not to publish rumors anymore. And that's sad, considering the sources they appear to have. We'll know soon enough if they were accurate or not: when we do, please remember what you said in your posts. Was it worth it?

Well put.
 

skunk

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Jun 29, 2002
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Re: Language barrier

Originally posted by Loa
I believe (read: I'm not certain) that the French text on their site (for this latest rumor) is a translation itself, probably from English. That would explain why they have a bilingual rumor.
I often translate English to French and some of the French wording looks like it's translated too closely from English: the syntax is just not right.
Just French street talk. Argot.
 

Chaszmyr

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Aug 9, 2002
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If they used Bryce 6 then why does the graph say Bryce 5? and if they used a Bryce 6 that supports multiprocessors, why did they use Barefeats Bryce5 results for the dual 1.42ghz G4?

I believed these benchmarks at first.. but not any more.
 

richie

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Jul 16, 2002
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Re: Language barrier

Originally posted by Loa

I believe (read: I'm not certain) that the French text on their site (for this latest rumor) is a translation itself, probably from English. That would explain why they have a bilingual rumor.

I often translate English to French and some of the French wording looks like it's translated too closely from English: the syntax is just not right.
I see what you mean, but I don't think you're right... the reason they've been doing English translations for the last few stories is more than likely because macrumors has been bringing an English audience to their site - they retain the new viewers far mor easily if their site can actually be read. :)

As for the French syntax... it's very authentic French, to my (native) eye.

But I agree with the rest of your post about people being too hard on people posting rumours :/
 

Sun Baked

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May 19, 2002
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"We contacted our source about the too big similitudes between the benchs we received and those published by Barefeats, and were told that Apple took the numbers of the P IV and dual 1.42 from Barefeats and used their testing protocol. For Bryce [nonoche:not supporting multiple processors], here's the explanation we got:
These machines will be furnished with Mac OS X 10.2 which is not 64 bits optimized. For each purchase of one of these machines, Mac OS X 10.3 will be offered at its introduction in september. With these conditions, at least if Apple not opposes, we will have benchmarks of this machine not later than May, 15th.
So they're saying the leak was from inside Apple, now that would definitely be a huge NDA violation... oh wait, it has Apple's blessing. :rolleyes:

Plus this just makes it look like they are trying to dig themselves out of a hole... ooops the numbers we said were Bryce 5 are actually a beta of 6.
 

Snowy_River

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Jul 17, 2002
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Hmm...

Well, if these rumors are true, then I called the reason for the discrepencies.

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26212&perpage=25&pagenumber=3
(down at the bottom of the page...)

I positted these reasons as a plausible reason for these benchmarks appearing as they did.

I'm still not going to say 'yea' or 'nay' about these rumors. I hope they're right, but I still have no real way to judge them. I'll just wait and see.
 

foniks2020

macrumors regular
Apr 19, 2002
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hey

Good times?

If the guys at MacB aren't concerned about legal issues and they're just putting out the rumors as they get them.... hey, makes for some good times... Apple can change release dates and marketing spin but they don't make the CPUs, IBM is putting out the same hardware regardless of what some guys in a rumor-forum feel the need to say.

So relax. I mean it's not as if you guys are out there buying and selling stock based on these 'rumors' right? IF you are... well please leave the rest of us out of your premature ejaculate roid-rage fests, 'kay?

I for one just think it's fun to keep track of the what and when of my favorite hardware-software design house.

Good times...
 

daRAT

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May 12, 2002
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I am a Bryce 5 user, and in with that whole 3d community. Therefore, when I tell you Corel has set aside Bryce department and moved the people to other program development and is quitely looking for buyers of Bryce, you can be sure it is NOT a rumor, the head of Corel's Bryce team said that Bryce was shelved, no Bryce 6. Nada.

Bryce 6 was NOT going to have multiple cpu ability either...essh!
 

DGFan

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Mar 28, 2003
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Originally posted by wallinbl
/. is not hard to fool.
There are alot of people around that jump to a conclusion and then stay there.

The number of people who posted in the other thread with comments like, "The P4 and G4 numbers were the same as on the other website therefore it is PROVEN that the 970 results are a hoax" was just ludicrous. Some folks need to take a logic class to understand what constitutes proof.

That said, MB (or their source) should have been more careful about the info shown with the results. Obviously these are just rumors but the Bryce comparison was a major SNAFU. Under any circumstances comparing Bryce 6 numbers to Bryce 5 numbers on different processors is a bad idea. With this crowd it is guaranteed to create a firestorm if that isn't disclosed.
 
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