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I haven’t run mine much on the battery but I haven’t noticed the fans as much as you seem to.

That said, you might be better off with the base 13” Pro, or perhaps hold off until it gets the new keyboard in a few weeks. The thermal envelope is a lot better.

Thanks KPOM - I really don't think I'm the target market for the MacBook Pro. The most demanding thing I do is videoconferencing and using Citrix for work (like a lot of people right now). The 2019 MBA I have handles this stuff fine.

Basically I'd love the MBA I have (battery life, thermals) with the keyboard of the 2020. It may well be that the dual core i3 2020 is this, but I can't test that out right now.

I'm hoping that, if there's a market demand for it, there might be a 2021 MBA with a better thermal design and tweaked battery life so it can hit the 8-10 hour mark.

As far as me hoping that the i5 could stay as quiet and cool as my 2019 with more than twice the power... well... 😂
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If you're running YouTube in brave it will be using vp9 and will kill your battery.

Thank you Thro, I've really appreciated reading your comments on the codec issues. Interestingly I'm seeing similar battery life on my Bootcamp partition as I am on MacOS.

To do a direct comparison - I've got both MBA's idling in Windows 10 right now. By idling I mean 'one tab open in Brave, no video playing'. The 2019 is drawing 0.5W, the 2020 is drawing 3.5W. And again, as on MacOS, there's no indexing going on or cloud synching happening, nor are there background tasks drawing signficant CPU/Memory.

I don't think there's anything broken with my 2020, I think the quad-core i5 is just a lot more power hungry.
 

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Thank you Thro, I've really appreciated reading your comments on the codec issues. Interestingly I'm seeing similar battery life on my Bootcamp partition as I am on MacOS.

I guess that's the flip side to Apple's macOS power management being better "in general" than boot camp's drivers for windows - somewhat balancing out the hardware support for Youtube...

I haven't tried boot-camp on mine yet (windows, I've been windows free for a year at home so far and don't want to go there)...
 
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Also, I hope that none of this is coming off as negative-for-the-sake-of-negative, or angry. I just figure there might be other users like me out there who might like this information before making the purchase.

I think this computer might be great for a lot of people, but I just can't find a way to get the battery life that I need out of it, nor complete my (important emphasis there - there's no universal standard) everday tasks without it getting far warmer and louder than the 2019 it was going to be replacing.
 
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I think in general positive or negative reviews come down to exactly what you are running. Something could be poorly optimized such as vp9 or Microsoft teams etc. If you look up Microsoft team apps on Macs there are people complaining it maxes out fans on MacBook pros. There is generally reasons why the fans and temps will spike.
 
If you look up Microsoft team apps on Macs there are people complaining it maxes out fans on MacBook pros.

I can confirm this, at least with my 2015 MacBook Pro 13".

I actually had more fan noise from that running Skype for Business and teams than I do on the 2020 i7 Air. I did a pretty much back to back comparison (first day I tried with the MBA was the day after I'd used my 2015 Pro for the same stuff).

But I guess it depends what you're coming from. Broadwell CPU in the MacBook Pro 2015 was a higher wattage Cpu and has less codec support in hardware (doesn't even do HEVC/h.264 in hardware either whereas Icelake will, which probably means better performance than Broadwell for most video conferencing software), less powerful GPU, etc.

If you're coming from something with Skylake or more recent, the codec support in those CPUs is much better.

Maybe this whole work from home culture will kick apple into gear to stop this stupid refusal to support vp9 even though every CPU they've shipped since 2016 supports it. I'm sure plenty of video conferencing and remote video software will be using VP9 (e.g., Steam Play does IIRC) and everything apple sucks for it.
 
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I guess that's the flip side to Apple's macOS power management being better "in general" than boot camp's drivers for windows - somewhat balancing out the hardware support for Youtube...

I haven't tried boot-camp on mine yet (windows, I've been windows free for a year at home so far and don't want to go there)...

It might be heresy, but I like both OSes for different reasons. So my sample size is... three Macbook Airs? A 2015, a 2019 and the 2020. I've found in Bootcamp that generally, because of Bootcamp Drivers not being as well optimised, you lose about an hour of battery life.

With the 2015 Haswell (the high water mark of MBA battery life in my experience), losing an hour meant you get 9 hours on Windows, which is a viable work day. With the 2019, it meant 8 hours instead of 9-10. With the 2020, it's looking like about 4-5 hours, down from 6. That's just my observation in case anyone's interested down the road, obviously your mileage may vary.
 
Also, I hope that none of this is coming off as negative-for-the-sake-of-negative, or angry. I just figure there might be other users like me out there who might like this information before making the purchase.

I think this computer might be great for a lot of people, but I just can't find a way to get the battery life that I need out of it, nor complete my (important emphasis there - there's no universal standard) everday tasks without it getting far warmer and louder than the 2019 it was going to be replacing.
If you are still in the return window, then maybe give the i3 a shot.
 
To give people an idea of just how stressful playing back VP9 is without the hardware acceleration being used in the processor (because Apple doesn't support it), check out the table showing software decoding performance in this thread:


1080p60 for example uses up to 85% cpu on a core 2 duo desktop CPU at 3.3Ghz! That the 9-12 watt CPU in the air is getting anywhere close to 4k playback at 1-2ghz in software is pretty nuts actually.

Things like video conferencing in software (where you need to encode and send back your video at the same time) are very stressful on the CPU. Apple NEED to sort out their hardware codec support!

Wouldn't surprise me if apple still ships the bad 720p webcam because the CPU would fall over trying to do anything higher resolution without proper hardware support for the codecs mainstream video chat programs are using!

on iOS they can enforce usage of the system codecs (h.264/h.265) that the iPhone or iPad has support for. macOS is a bit different in that respect.
 
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If you are still in the return window, then maybe give the i3 a shot.

I believe I am, yeah - I'm not sure if Apple does returns during this time via post, but if I can send it back and get an i3, I will, and I'll report back with my results. Thanks to everyone on this forum for their informative views and help, it is greatly appreciated ✌
 
I believe I am, yeah - I'm not sure if Apple does returns during this time via post, but if I can send it back and get an i3, I will, and I'll report back with my results. Thanks to everyone on this forum for their informative views and help, it is greatly appreciated ✌
Yes, you need to initiate a return online from the app or the website. You can look up your order history and initiate a return. From there you can print a return label and ship it back.
 
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Yes, you need to initiate a return online from the app or the website. You can look up your order history and initiate a return. From there you can print a return label and ship it back.

Will do, thanks so much again. Will post back with results (this one took a long while to ship, I imagine the replacement will as well)!
 
To give people an idea of just how stressful playing back VP9 is without the hardware acceleration being used in the processor (because Apple doesn't support it), check out the table showing software decoding performance in this thread:


1080p60 for example uses up to 85% cpu on a core 2 duo desktop CPU at 3.3Ghz!

Things like video conferencing in software (where you need to encode and send back your video at the same time) are very stressful on the CPU. Apple NEED to sort out their hardware codec support!

Wouldn't surprise me if apple still ships the bad 720p webcam because the CPU would fall over trying to do anything higher resolution without proper hardware support for the codecs mainstream video chat programs are using!

Apple wants the world to adopt H.265 and is deliberately excluding VP9 support from MacOS. If you install Windows 10 in Boot Camp, even with Apple’s subpar Windows 10 drivers, VP9 will work just fine.
Will do, thanks so much again. Will post back with results (this one took a long while to ship, I imagine the replacement will as well)!
The base model i3 with 256GB delivers 4/29 in the US right now.
 
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If you install Windows 10 in Boot Camp, even with Apple’s subpar Windows 10 drivers, VP9 will work just fine.

Yup. As it should. As you say this is apple being pig-headed for the sake of being pig-headed. I don't believe they can simply ignore the largest video streaming service on the planet having bad performance on their products. Not forever, anyway.

I'm sure Google / Youtube really don't care that Apple customers get a worse experience with when attempting to use google's services with Apple products. It's just more of a selling point to use Google's hardware instead.

Apple should care however!


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I'm going to test VP9 in a windows 10 VM inside of macOS on my 2020 air.

If this works better than on real hardware running macOS, it will be pretty hilarious.
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OK I can confirm fusion doesn't seem to expose hardware acceleration at all. Makes sense because it is a quick sync feature which relies on access to the integrated GPU, and the GPU inside the VM is software emulated.

I guess the upshot of this is - if you're looking to run windows video conferencing apps (or play video even) inside a VM - you're going to have a VERY bad experience trying to do that on this machine (and most, but especially this because of the CPU clocks being so low). You really want to be using native macOS applications for this stuff, or boot camp. a VM doesn't/won't work well at all.
 
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I believe I am, yeah - I'm not sure if Apple does returns during this time via post, but if I can send it back and get an i3, I will, and I'll report back with my results. Thanks to everyone on this forum for their informative views and help, it is greatly appreciated ✌

I just got my i3 (base model) yesterday and have not had a chance to do much with it (configure the device, install software, surf, watch some YouTube clips, MS Teams chat etc. somewhere between 1-2h), but currently at 69% the Activity monitor reports 8.5h on battery and 8.5h remaining. How this translates to real usage remains to be seen, but so far does not seem worse than my old mid-2012 Air so far.

Fans have been completely silent and have been at 0 RPM all the time (even after install of lates Catalina version) and the temperature hoovers around 40C and has at most reached around 60C with moderate use. My old Air under similar load constantly runs the fan at around 2000 RPM and is around 10C warmer.

So for my usage I think this machine will be great. We'll see if I change my mind later on.
 
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I've had my i5/8/256 laptop for three days. I'm upgrading from a late-2013 15" Pro (with a damaged screen).

I didn't migrate or use time machine, but instead installed the apps I use and copied over my documents folder and various preferences (such as for the terminal and my Firefox profiles). I also enrolled the laptop in the dev betas and am running 10.15.5 b2.

After a few hours, the machine was running well apart from opening apps. This was slower thann my 7 year old Pro, but once the app had loaded it was fine. I don't use any monitoring tools (for heat, fans etc) and my main tool is simply "top -o cpu" in terminal. I noticed that the machine was still busy doing various things.

Half way through the second day, having completed a Time Machine backup, and noticing that my indexing (and filevault encryption) was all complete, my app opening times are now normal.

The laptop isn't noticeably faster than the 2013 Pro but it is faster, and certainly fast enough for me. I haven't noticed the fans come on at all since the initial day after first boot. I'm on my balcony with the screen on max brightness, and it would be nice if I had the option to go brighter, but my old Pro was no better.

The keyboard isn't quite as good as the old Pro, but I don't mind it and I'm already used to it.

I have the screen resolution at 1680 x 1050 but at 50 years old I need glasses to use this unless, like right now, I'm in bright light. I'm probably going to stick with the default 1440 x 900 as I plan to buy an external monitor. Not yet decided between a 1080p 22" and a 1440p 24". I'll also buy an external drive, probably the Samsung T5 500GB. Both the monitor (a usb-c one) and the external drive will be bought with the substantial savings this laptop gave me over the 16" MBP which I was contemplating buying up until I read about this Air.

My only issue so far, and I'm hoping it won't be a deal breaker (I still have 10 days to return for a full refund) is that the camera is very close to unusable in low light. In the next few days I will have tried MS Teams and Zoom - I'll see how it goes. The camera is very noticeably worse than the late-2013 MBP.

As for the new stuff, I like the touch-ID and am happy there's no touchbar. I'm still trying to find a use for the force-touch trackpad. It seems to need quite a hard push (at mininum setting) and I find it no quicker than double tapping, which is a lot of what functionality it replaces.

tl;dr Laptop is fine, but the camera may be a deal breaker if it can't handle standard video conferencing in a typically-lit room.

EDIT: I'm running in 1680x1050 resolution during the day (my eyes prefer the lower resolution when it gets dark) and am not sure if I even need an external monitor. I had a MS Teams video call today and the camera quality was fine. It's still crap when it's dark, but it'll do. Unless I discover some new issue I'll be keeping my Air. I've ordered the Samsung T5 500GB external disk as it was so much cheaper than even a 256GB upgrade (from 256 to 512) of the internal SSD.

EDIT2: The feet on the bottom of the case are harder and much less grippy than those on my old Pro. This thing slides around my smooth table if I try to open the lid one-handed for example. Maybe they soften over time. Just a random observation.

FINAL EDIT: Unless I have my living room relatively dark in the evening, the camera is adequate. I've recently been synchrionising some stuff over from this Air to my old Pro and the Air is definitely snappier. It's a keeper. I installed fanny (because, you know, all everyone talks about is cpu temp and fan rpms) and I'm averaging at 50-55 degrees with zero fan. Interestingly, when doing some major copying, watching a video, and with an applescript running, the temp went up into the mid 80s and the fans (at their worst) were 4000rpm. I didn't notice the heat on my lap nor hear the fans over the video I was watching.
 
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Apple wants the world to adopt H.265 and is deliberately excluding VP9 support from MacOS. If you install Windows 10 in Boot Camp, even with Apple’s subpar Windows 10 drivers, VP9 will work just fine.

The base model i3 with 256GB delivers 4/29 in the US right now.

Thanks for that - the i3 is ordered (I'm in Australia, delivery date of 30 April) and the i5 is all boxed up and ready to ship back on Monday. If the i3 doesn't work out, I am satisfied with the 2019 Air I'm typing this from, but getting that keyboard and a bit of extra speed and keeping the battery life would be great - fingers crossed!
 
My only issue so far, and I'm hoping it won't be a deal breaker (I still have 10 days to return for a full refund) is that the camera is very close to unusable in low light. In the next few days I will have tried MS Teams and Zoom - I'll see how it goes. The camera is very noticeably worse than the late-2013 MBP.

Cameras on the Airs, have always been bad (no improvements since my Air 2012). For MSTeams, Zoom and other video chat/conferencing tools I use my iPad. Much better camera and more convenient IMO.
 
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Also, I hope that none of this is coming off as negative-for-the-sake-of-negative, or angry. I just figure there might be other users like me out there who might like this information before making the purchase.

I think this computer might be great for a lot of people, but I just can't find a way to get the battery life that I need out of it, nor complete my (important emphasis there - there's no universal standard) everday tasks without it getting far warmer and louder than the 2019 it was going to be replacing.

I think the happy medium here is potentially the i3 if you are looking for similar characteristics to the MBA 2018 in terms of thermals and battery life with slight a performance boost. I have to say the experience with i7 is a pleasant one when it behaves itself. What I didn't say in my other comments was that I ran for most of the day with the fan un noticeable, had most of the office suite open and working, including teams, chrome, safari without an issue despite high temp 80-90. Teams in my experience doesn't play nicely, perhaps this may get addressed over time. I did notice a significant battery drain compared to the MBA 2018, 30% in under 2 hours which removes some of the appeal of an ultra portable notebook with excellent battery life.

I'm sure for many the new MBA is an excellent device, think hard if you need the extra power at the expense over battery life. Or consider using apps like turbo boost switcher when you need to keep the battery at peak duration by suppressing the CPU when you simply don't need it.

There are some other threads on here re the heatsink, if you jump towards the end there are some mods that seem to address the thermals as it appears to be design issues with surface area contact. For me I just want the device to work and I'm sure there will be tweaks to address this in the future.
 
Cameras on the Airs, have always been bad (no improvements since my Air 2012). For MSTeams, Zoom and other video chat/conferencing tools I use my iPad. Much better camera and more convenient IMO.
Thanks. It's a shame every review has simply moaned about the resolution (720p) which I have no issue with. It's the fact it's so poor in low light, due to the tiny sensor, that's the issue. As you say, it will no doubt affect any computer which has such a thin lid, as there's simply no room to put a bigger sensor.

I don't have an iPad, so will have to see how it goes. I've tested it today and it seems ok, it's just in the evenings and at night when it's poor. Maybe I need to shine a light on my face, but that makes me look more scary than nicely lit. Might be an advantage in meetings but not so friendly in family zoom chats. I'll stick to using my phone for those - the camera on my 11 is really good.
 
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I have the screen resolution at 1680 x 1050 but at 50 years old I need glasses to use this unless, like right now, I'm in bright light. I'm probably going to stick with the default 1440 x 900 as I plan to buy an external monitor. Not yet decided between a 1080p 22" and a 1440p 24". I'll also buy an external drive, probably the Samsung T5 500GB. Both the monitor (a usb-c one) and the external drive will be bought with the substantial savings this laptop gave me over the 16" MBP which I was contemplating buying up until I read about this Air.

My only issue so far, and I'm hoping it won't be a deal breaker (I still have 10 days to return for a full refund) is that the camera is very close to unusable in low light. In the next few days I will have tried MS Teams and Zoom - I'll see how it goes. The camera is very noticeably worse than the late-2013 MBP.

As for the new stuff, I like the touch-ID and am happy there's no touchbar. I'm still trying to find a use for the force-touch trackpad. It seems to need quite a hard push (at mininum setting) and I find it no quicker than double tapping, which is a lot of what functionality it replaces.

tl;dr Laptop is fine, but the camera may be a deal breaker if it can't handle standard video conferencing in a typically-lit room.
I've got old eyes like you and I would get a 4K monitor in an instant with macOS. The scaling is so good you don't have to settle for tiny text on sharp screen on a small monitor. Just adjust the scaling so the text looks great while the photos remain sharp with no screen door effect you get on low Rez screens.

The camera is piss poor though and hopefully a side effect of this quarantine is that laptop manufacturers finally take it seriously...
 
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I'm on the verge of buying an i5 with 512GB Hard drive for sure. I have a 2012 MBA with 512 Hard Drive and 8GB of RAM, and I really
want to go up to 16GB, however is it worth the $200 upgrade or do some places still do after market upgrade like RAM for a lot less. Is that still common with good results?
 
I'm sure for many the new MBA is an excellent device, think hard if you need the extra power at the expense over battery life. Or consider using apps like turbo boost switcher when you need to keep the battery at peak duration by suppressing the CPU when you simply don't need it.
I need to order a new Air for my wife and was leaning towards the i5 / 512GB config, *possibly* even upgrading the RAM to 16GB. I've thought about using an app to disable turbo boost (and maybe re-enable for very specific purposes). Should an i5 w/turbo disabled still provide a noticeable performance improvement over the i3 model while providing good battery life?
 
I'm on the verge of buying an i5 with 512GB Hard drive for sure. I have a 2012 MBA with 512 Hard Drive and 8GB of RAM, and I really
want to go up to 16GB, however is it worth the $200 upgrade or do some places still do after market upgrade like RAM for a lot less. Is that still common with good results?
I personally went with i5/512gb/16gb. Obviously all of the upgrades are overpriced compared to how much they cost off the shelf. However there really isn't a option to upgrade it later so I pay the costs now. I think the 16gb may be too little as well as the 256gb for a drive. I haven't received mine yet. I've been running a i3 2010 imac since then that has held up pretty well.
I need to order a new Air for my wife and was leaning towards the i5 / 512GB config, *possibly* even upgrading the RAM to 16GB. I've thought about using an app to disable turbo boost (and maybe re-enable for very specific purposes). Should an i5 w/turbo disabled still provide a noticeable performance improvement over the i3 model while providing good battery life?
People talk about disabling power boost is a good or bad idea. Personally I think I'm going to get a app that can control it on a per app basis. I'll get the air and see how it runs exactly, if there are specific apps that blast the fan then I will adjust accordingly. The CPU will boost up the to max frequency for certain tasks, and its worse at sustaining a high load for a long time depending on the tasks. If I'm limited with turbo boost at lets say 2.4ghz but it can sustain that well with little fan noise, thats better to me compared to if I max out at the 3.5ghz but it only hits that for 15 seconds at a time and continues to max out the temp and fans. I know people don't want to hear about scaling back the capabilities on a new machine and honestly you shouldn't have to. But depending on how it performs I'll take a slight performance hit if it runs cooler at a reduced clock speed with minimal fans. I could care less how hot it gets, as long as I don't have obnoxious fans and its not hot on my lap. I have a feeling I would have to tweak it for zoom, which even heats up my 2015mbp work machine.
 
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