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I've got old eyes like you and I would get a 4K monitor in an instant with macOS. The scaling is so good you don't have to settle for tiny text on sharp screen on a small monitor. Just adjust the scaling so the text looks great while the photos remain sharp with no screen door effect you get on low Rez screens.

The camera is piss poor though and hopefully a side effect of this quarantine is that laptop manufacturers finally take it seriously...
I've got old eyes like you and I would get a 4K monitor in an instant with macOS. The scaling is so good you don't have to settle for tiny text on sharp screen on a small monitor. Just adjust the scaling so the text looks great while the photos remain sharp with no screen door effect you get on low Rez screens.

The camera is piss poor though and hopefully a side effect of this quarantine is that laptop manufacturers finally take it seriously...

My eyesight is well down the scale of ideal (can't drive, never will) and it was the reason I moved to Apple gear for personal use way back in 2007.

Can definitely attest to the 4K Monitors doing an amazing job on OSX. I run a 32inch screen at 1600 x 900 which to some will seem insane, but it's the difference between being able to read comfortably and not.

Fonts are rendered crystal clear and colour accuracy (something I'm ironically very sensitive to) is bang on. I never use the internal display of the Air unless absolutely necessary.

...currently (and nervously) awaiting MBA 2020 i7/16/512 to replace my 2013 MBA i7/8/256, which I've been using to run VMWare VM's.
 
Update. Installed boot camp and re-ran my tests. This laptop is definitely struggling with one external monitor plugged in. Again my vlookups / index matches were the same speed if not slower than my four year old surface book 1.

Fan noise is simply unacceptable as it continues to blast on. If you attempt to manually lower the RPM, the whole computer occasionally freezes due to thermal limiting.

If your planning on utilizing this laptop for anything "work heavy" related with an external monitor, I'd give it a hard pass.
 
Has anybody else noticed their i5 have a momentary lag in unexpected places in the UI? If i go in to change the desktop wallpaper for example, it takes maybe 5 seconds or so before I can click on any buttons. Also seems to happen when I launch certain apps, almost like its struggling to load the UI elements quickly enough.
 
So I purchased the base i3 config in a hurry since my 8GB MBA 2014 went belly up after I messed up some disk partitioning. I set this up as a new machine and didn't link my iCloud account so there was no real need for initial indexing etc. Not sure how much I buy the indexing stuff as far as impacting performance significantly but idk. Fortunately I managed to restore my 2014 today so the 2020 will be going back, but I had some initial thoughts:

- Battery life seems almost as good if not a bit worse than the 2014 (recently replaced). Most of the macbooks I've used in the past seem pretty accurate to this link: https://luckyicon.com/en/software/batterytruth/stat/
- This thing gets pretty hot. I usually have a stream or movie playing while I work / browse, and immediately noticed the 2020 gets around 10 - 15 degrees hotter for the same workload. The fan isn't audible until around ~4000 - 5000 rpm though. I noticed it regularly hitting 100 degrees (which apparently is fine b/c that's how they're designed? idk) while that's very rare on the 2014. I use safari unless I have to use something else.
- Very light and very compact. Maybe a bit too compact but that's me.
- Keyboard was nice, good mix between the butterfly and last gen (I used a 2017 15" MBP for work), though I'd say reminds me a bit more of the butterfly than the last gen keyboard. Quieter than my 2014's keyboard though.
- The camera was quite a bit worse on the 2020 actually, I was kind of surprised. Very grainy even with lots of natural light. The lids between the two machines seem to be the same thickness so not sure what's up.

I don't doubt the 2020 would have been able to handle the workload I was planning to use it for (VSC, VMWare, etc), it just would have been hotter than the 2014 in doing so seems like. Regardless though it's going back, since like Lazarus my 2014 has risen again.
 
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Has anybody else noticed their i5 have a momentary lag in unexpected places in the UI? If i go in to change the desktop wallpaper for example, it takes maybe 5 seconds or so before I can click on any buttons. Also seems to happen when I launch certain apps, almost like its struggling to load the UI elements quickly enough.


Strange maybe a defective unit?

My 2016 13 inch pro doesn’t seem to have that problem and it’s only a dual core with 8 gig ram.

Wish Apple would stop piss farting around and release the 14 inch or 16 inch mini led pro.

Hurry up Apple we’re waiting 👀
 
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My eyesight is well down the scale of ideal (can't drive, never will) and it was the reason I moved to Apple gear for personal use way back in 2007.

Can definitely attest to the 4K Monitors doing an amazing job on OSX. I run a 32inch screen at 1600 x 900 which to some will seem insane, but it's the difference between being able to read comfortably and not.

Fonts are rendered crystal clear and colour accuracy (something I'm ironically very sensitive to) is bang on. I never use the internal display of the Air unless absolutely necessary.

...currently (and nervously) awaiting MBA 2020 i7/16/512 to replace my 2013 MBA i7/8/256, which I've been using to run VMWare VM's.
I have the 2020 i7/16/512. Don’t worry about it. It’s a great machine and will be a nice improvement over your 2013 (which I also had and liked a lot). I run Parallels Desktop on my 2020 MacBook.
 
How much ram do you have in your MBA?


As an extension, anyone here with 8gb ram? How is your notebook performing?
Have the base model with 8GB. Using for streaming, light photo editing, web browsing, and ssh, all seem to work just fine from it ;)
I have a 2018 MBP with an i7 and this MBA with i3 is faster to launch most things. It's probably the memory and HDD speed
 
Strange maybe a defective unit?

My 2016 13 inch pro doesn’t seem to have that problem and it’s only a dual core with 8 gig ram.

Wish Apple would stop piss farting around and release the 14 inch or 16 inch mini led pro.

Hurry up Apple we’re waiting 👀

I've not had that problem with any other laptop so I am wondering if there's something going on. Have tried the usual resets but no joy so it might be a clean install of the os today.
 
I just got my new 2020 Air (i5,16gb,512gb) yesterday and posted my experience in a different thread (not sure if I can link to it or it's against the rules).

TLDR: it throttles (yes, drops below base frequency) and even if turbo boost is used, it's about 1.2-1.3 ghz.

So all Geekbench tests are a lie, that performance can only be sustained for a few secs. It's fine under Chrome, but if you do anything that's even a little bit more demanding then performance drops back to joke levels.
 
If you can't, I can: here's their review:


Interesting stuff
 
I'm watching a lot of movies, surfing on twitter and Facebook while having mutliples tab open. Very lightly stuff, and after 2 or 3 days, the MBA stop getting hot. I think for a vast majority of light user or medium user, one the indexing is done, you'll probably never catch your computer running hot anymore.

For the past 5 days, the temperature never got over 70 degrees or less.
 
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I'm watching a lot of movies, surfing on twitter and Facebook while having mutliples tab open. Very lightly stuff, and after 2 or 3 days, the MBA stop getting hot. I think for a vast majority of light user or medium user, one the indexing is done, you'll probably never catch your computer running hot anymore.

For the past 5 days, the temperature never got over 70 degrees or less.

Hey Pierre,

Just for some extra information, what are the specs of your Macbook Air?

Cheers!
 
I'm watching a lot of movies, surfing on twitter and Facebook while having mutliples tab open.

This is a perfectly fine use case for the new Air.

The problem is that there's no "light use" or "heavy use".

Is using Dropbox, syncing company files over Google Drive, running Slack, uploading Photos considered heavy use? I don't think so, but all of the above pushes the Air to 100C and the performance drops immediately. That's why the cooling performance is unacceptable.

If I want to check Facebook, I'd just get the new iPhone SE for 400 USD, or any of the cheaper iPads. Most of the new MBA reviews are misleading, because that top performance simply does not apply to everyday usage. If it was advertised as a laptop-sized web browser where it really excels, then it'd be fine. But Apple is advertising performance you just can't get.

Source: I'm using the new Air and about to send it back.
 
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Looking to order either a i3 or i5 with 16GB and 1TB. I currently have a 2018 MBA. Going to be running an LG ultrafine 5k display at home. What would be the best option for that setup? Or should I just stick with my dual i5/16/512 from 2018 and it would handle it just as well..... help me decide what to do?! Will the new MBA help with running that display?
 
Looking to order either a i3 or i5 with 16GB and 1TB. I currently have a 2018 MBA. Going to be running an LG ultrafine 5k display at home. What would be the best option for that setup? Or should I just stick with my dual i5/16/512 from 2018 and it would handle it just as well..... help me decide what to do?! Will the new MBA help with running that display?
What types of programs will you be running? The i5 has a better GPU than the i3, but either should be better than your existing 2018. That said, you might wait a few weeks to see if the rumored 13/14” MacBook Pro is announced, as that would give you more options to consider, and would be a noticeable improvement on your 2018 MacBook (the built-in display is better, and it has a more powerful CPU).
 
What types of programs will you be running? The i5 has a better GPU than the i3, but either should be better than your existing 2018. That said, you might wait a few weeks to see if the rumored 13/14” MacBook Pro is announced, as that would give you more options to consider, and would be a noticeable improvement on your 2018 MacBook (the built-in display is better, and it has a more powerful CPU).


I will be running a bunch of safari tabs, excel, outlook, slack, messaging, apple email at the same time. So nothing too crazy, but wanted to gauge whether this being done on a 5k monitor will be am issue? Thanks for the help, I just love the air form factor so much more than the pro.
 
I will be running a bunch of safari tabs, excel, outlook, slack, messaging, apple email at the same time. So nothing too crazy, but wanted to gauge whether this being done on a 5k monitor will be am issue? Thanks for the help, I just love the air form factor so much more than the pro.
Either should be fine. I'd spring the extra $100 for the i5 for the better GPU. I don't have a 5K display, but the 2020 Air works well with my 4K display.
 
Either should be fine. I'd spring the extra $100 for the i5 for the better GPU. I don't have a 5K display, but the 2020 Air works well with my 4K display.

Do you think my 2018 air would handle it fine as well? Or would the 2020 be much better at handling the 5k monitor and running a bunch of safari tabs, excel, outlook, slack, messaging, apple email at the same time.
 
Do you think my 2018 air would handle it fine as well? Or would the 2020 be much better at handling the 5k monitor and running a bunch of safari tabs, excel, outlook, slack, messaging, apple email at the same time.
Why not just try it for now, then upgrade if you feel the need? Apple will continue to make the 2020 Air.

FYI - https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210205

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I need to order a new Air for my wife and was leaning towards the i5 / 512GB config, *possibly* even upgrading the RAM to 16GB. I've thought about using an app to disable turbo boost (and maybe re-enable for very specific purposes). Should an i5 w/turbo disabled still provide a noticeable performance improvement over the i3 model while providing good battery life?

The i5 is a quad core vs dual core i3 so yes. I didn't notice a huge amount of difference with turbo boost disabled opening and working inside of office apps, all this did was for prolonged workloads kept the CPU running cooler for a longer period, improving battery life and cooler running. TB is a funny thing, when used as intended i.e. to quickly apply max power to get things opened it really works well, if you use the intel tools and watch the temp and power spike as you interact you can see why this quickly runs out of steam and settles as around 2.x GHz. I would suggest you try settings on, as your work profile may well be very different to mine and disabling is just not necessary.

16GB RAM is a good option, this allows you to have apps loaded in memory for quick recall which greatly improves user experience.
 
I need to order a new Air for my wife and was leaning towards the i5 / 512GB config, *possibly* even upgrading the RAM to 16GB.

What specific workflows does your wife have that makes you think she needs 16GB RAM in her new computer?

If she already has a mac of some sort, run Activity Monitor and look at the Memory tab / Memory Pressure graph while she's doing her typical type of usage. If you don't know how to interpret the info post it here and folks will assist.

Unless you can point to the specific reason why she needs the upgraded RAM, I'd suggest not spending the money.

Most folks simply don't need (and won't benefit) from upgraded memory. Those who do have a need for it typically know exactly why they need it. It's sort of a "if you have to ask, you probably don't" kinda thing. (While caching stuff in memory used to make a notable difference back in the slow HDD days, with today's SSDs it's not going to be noticeable outside of a benchmark.)

All that said, it won't hurt anything but your wallet to spend the money - but don't plan on seeing more than a small fraction of the money come back in resale.
 
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I didn't notice a huge amount of difference with turbo boost disabled opening and working inside of office apps, all this did was for prolonged workloads kept the CPU running cooler for a longer period, improving battery life and cooler running. TB is a funny thing, when used as intended i.e. to quickly apply max power to get things opened it really works well, if you use the intel tools and watch the temp and power spike as you interact you can see why this quickly runs out of steam and settles as around 2.x GHz. I would suggest you try settings on, as your work profile may well be very different to mine and disabling is just not necessary.
Good info. Thanks.

16GB RAM is a good option, this allows you to have apps loaded in memory for quick recall which greatly improves user experience.

What specific workflows does your wife have that makes you think she needs 16GB RAM in her new computer?

If she already has a mac of some sort, run Activity Monitor and look at the Memory tab / Memory Pressure graph while she's doing her typical type of usage. If you don't know how to interpret the info post it here and folks will assist.

Unless you can point to the specific reason why she needs the upgraded RAM, I'd suggest not spending the money.

Most folks simply don't need (and won't benefit) from upgraded memory. Those who do have a need for it typically know exactly why they need it. It's sort of a "if you have to ask, you probably don't" kinda thing. (While caching stuff in memory used to make a notable difference back in the slow HDD days, with today's SSDs it's not going to be noticeable outside of a benchmark.)

All that said, it won't hurt anything but your wallet to spend the money - but don't plan on seeing more than a small fraction of the money come back in resale.
So two different perspectives. Regarding your suggestion to look at Activity Monitor...my experience has been that OSX will use up a good chunk of however much memory you have. For example, I'm just browsing the web with Safari (several tabs open - as is usually the case with me) and I have MS Excel open, but my 32GB MacBook Pro 16 is showing "Memory Used" as 21.70 GB. But you also mentioned Memory Pressure, so maybe that's the key? Right now, my MBP 16's Memory Pressure graph is green and flat.

To be honest, since posting my question, I've actually dialed things back. I'm now leaning towards getting her the i5 / 8GB / 256GB config. I don't think she'll have a need for the extra RAM, and the fact that Apple still keeps the base and recommended upgrade configs both at 8GB gives me hope that they won't change things in OSX for the forseeable future such that 8GB will feel limiting. When I bought my MBP 16 a few months ago, I did upgrade that to 32GB, but I'm a software developer, and figured I might want to do some stuff with Docker and/or a Windows VM.

The main thing my wife might do to "push" her Air would be some occasional 1080p iMovie editing/exporting, and it doesn't sound like upgrading the RAM will necessarily have much, if any, impact on that, but upgrading to the i5 should (unless doing that editing/exporting is going to cause the computer to overheat and lock up).

As for the 256GB storage...I was originally planning on 512GB, because she only had about 22 GB free on her 2018 MBA 256GB model, but after changing her Photos/Preferences/iCloud settings to "Optimize Mac Storage", a lot of space freed up. I also upped our iCloud plan to 2TB, and am thinking that she should be able to move a bunch of the stuff she's currently got under her Documents folder (which accounts for about 70+ GB of her current storage) to free up even more space. Another alternative would be our Microsoft cloud drive, where we've got a lot of space as part of paying the annual price for MS Office. And I'm thinking that I might invest in an external SSD of some sort for temporary storage needed when doing iMovie editing. But if anyone thinks I'm skimping too much by not upgrading to 512GB, let me know your thoughts.
 
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I'm now leaning towards getting her the i5 / 8GB / 256GB config. I

That's ok for now, but consider OS updates, applications in a few years etc and future and longevity. Look at 2014 MBA with 4GB to 8GB and their ability to smoothly run Catalina. RAM is better upgrade to CPU in most cases. Just MHO. Storage is moot point if you are OK with plugging in another device. I've moved now to M2 SSD for external use and this is fine, quick and quite cheap if you need to shuffle things around to be on the move.

I make the most out of icloud and OneDrive to offload files I don't need until I need them, this is really helping out with local storage.
 
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