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I do believe 8 GB is enough, but curious as to how RAM does work in 2018. If there’s an abundance of RAM what are modern OSes doing? They're putting the extra abundant RAM to use to some very small extent?

It gives everything as much RAM as it can incase they need it, so say application A needs 500mb, but the system has 4GB free, it will give it 1.5GB just to be safe. That way, if the app suddenly needs more RAM, it can access it without the user noticing any delay. As you open more applications, this 'free' pool of RAM obviously decreases, but as it's giving things a very generous overhead it's rarely a problem. It just reduces this overhead for each app based on your use, if it's sat in the background for several days, it's getting the minimum - whereas something like Safari which you're switching to all the time, will get a priority.

Just open your activity monitor and look at the memory pressure, ignore completely the 'used RAM' sections as they mean nothing. Also, find an app that you haven't opened for a while but is still in the background, then look at the RAM usage - open the app back up and you'll see it suddenly increase; this is just the system working.

For what it's worth, I've currently got Affinity Design, Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, Cinema4D, AutoCAD, SketchUp, Safari (30+), Chrome (30+), PowerPoint, Excel, Word, Music, Acrobat, Mail, WeChat, and a VPN open. I'm 'using' 12.45GB out of 16GB RAM (iMac), with very low green pressure (Weirdly PowerPoint is using the most RAM...). If you're using these sort of apps on a MacBook Air then I think you've brought the wrong machine as RAM will not be the problem!

Basically, just don't worry about it. As another user pointed out, normally you know if you need more RAM, and the base model configurations are designed to accommodate for the vast majority of people, with upgrades being available for those who need it. But the cost of the upgrades is pretty high, and it's a shame someone who uses it to write the odd email manages to convince themselves they should pay this high price for RAM over say internal storage - which for most people is a better proposition.

Anyway carry on!
 
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I'm curious, does Mac OS use swap like Linux? Usually in Linux if the ram is maxed out the Kernel will swap to the SSD.
It has swap available. See Activity Monitor/Memory/<bottom middle>

Linux doesn't only swap when "maxed out"; that's a _really bad_ situation on a server. Linux will move stuff to swap for various reasons. masOS doesn't use swap in the same way. I know this, because I've had this machine for almost 5 years, and it's never created a swap file.

This link might be of interest: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201464#memory
 
I ordered with 16GB Ram yesterday, the way i see it is that i'm already spending money why not just spend the extra, get the 16GB Ram and that way at least it will probably last longer.

Edit: cancelled my order
 
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of course 16 gb.

i would need 1 tb ssd and the price is absolutely ridiculous with nearly 3100 euros. so wont buy ever.
 
Basically, just don't worry about it. As another user pointed out, normally you know if you need more RAM, and the base model configurations are designed to accommodate for the vast majority of people, with upgrades being available for those who need it. But the cost of the upgrades is pretty high, and it's a shame someone who uses it to write the odd email manages to convince themselves they should pay this high price for RAM over say internal storage - which for most people is a better proposition.

Fully agree... I think most (95%) of users the Air is targeted at would be better served taking that RAM $$$ and putting it towards storage or Apple Care....

If someone needs 16GB of RAM they know it and they should also know a Y processor with a 617 GPU is not best for their use.....

Unless someone wants to buy an Air for almost $2K there has to be some reasonable choices made based on use...

An Air with 256 SSD, 16GB of RAM and Apple Care pegs out @ $1850 before tax and $2000 after tax for me..... No way, no how I am paying $2K for a Y processor and a 617 GPU..... None, nadda, not happening!
 
Another vote for 16 GB, particularly if you intend to use your Mac for more than a couple of years.

macOS allocates as much as 1.5 GB RAM for integrated GPU. So 8 GB RAM is more like 6.5 GB. macOS Mojave uses minimum of 2 GB for itself, so available RAM further drops to 4.5 GB.

Run Activity Monitor and unless you have very minimal setup, you are probably running a bunch of apps and services in the background that further reduces available RAM to under 2 GB.

Because MacBook Air has such a speedy SSD (very fast swap), that 2 GB can actually stretch quite a bit. But if you need to run a RAM hungry app or two, your Mac will feel very slow.
 
Another vote for 16 GB, particularly if you intend to use your Mac for more than a couple of years.

macOS allocates as much as 1.5 GB RAM for integrated GPU. So 8 GB RAM is more like 6.5 GB. macOS Mojave uses minimum of 2 GB for itself, so available RAM further drops to 4.5 GB.

What the what? At boot I use 2ish and after normal usage I am at 3.5 to 4.. You have an issue with your machine if you are eating that much after boot....
 
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What the what? At boot I use 2ish and after normal usage I am at 3.5 to 4.. You have an issue with your machine if you are eating that much after boot....
Everyone's normal usage is obviously different and certainly at initial startup, macOS uses very little RAM.

But in time, you may run apps that may require more VRAM, or connect to external monitor or TV. Heck, even running a browser with lots of tabs and windows can use lots of VRAM. In these cases, macOS will borrow up to 1.5 GB RAM for graphics alone.

Even built-in services many people may take for granted, such as Spotlight indexing, iCloud sync, Photos app (that does background analysis such as syncing and facial recognition) can also suck up quite a bit of RAM.

If you have third party syncing or backup services like I do (e.g., Backblaze, Dropbox), they may use another half a GB each. Add more if you use menu bar apps.

After my MacBook Pro is full booted up, total RAM usage is about 3 GB, which is respectable. After few days, even after I disconnect the external monitor (which uses about 0.5 GB of additional graphics memory) and quit the most RAM hungry apps (everything but Safari with about a dozen tabs, Mail, and one or two other apps) my total RAM usage remains about 6-7 GB (minus cached memory).
 
I have a late 2013 MBP with 512 SSD and 8GB RAM. All programs I run are fine with it but I do notice some slowdowns however i don’t think it’s due to RAM shortage. Looking to upgrade and probably will either get MBA 512gb ssd or MBP 13 with TB 512gb ssd. Not looking at going over 8GB since I don’t think I need it but I want Touch ID. The MBP is probably a better value if I can justify the extra $600 CAD but the prices are difficult to justify for me.
 
using my 2018 MBA right now with 8 GB and running the same apps as I did with my work issued 2016 15 inch MBP with 16 GB of RAM, I don't think most people will notice the difference with just 8 GB.
 
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using my 2018 MBA right now with 8 GB and running the same apps as I did with my work issued 2016 15 inch MBP with 16 GB of RAM, I don't think most people will notice the difference with just 8 GB.

How are you finding the new Air? What’s the screen like?
 
How are you finding the new Air? What’s the screen like?

Screen is fantastic, but I'm using it indoors so I'm not noticing the lower levels of brightness compared to my 2017 nTB MBP. I don't think you'll notice a difference unless you're sitting by a window with sunlight coming in. The keyboard is fantastic though and I prefer it over the 2017 MBP.
 
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using my 2018 MBA right now with 8 GB and running the same apps as I did with my work issued 2016 15 inch MBP with 16 GB of RAM, I don't think most people will notice the difference with just 8 GB.

Very cool. Can’t wait to hear from more new Air users who might be able to put that system into memory stress tests to see how they do.
I’m hoping that the quicker SSD will allow me to go with 8gb and not notice if it maxes out and starts swapping in and out of that SSD.
I primarily use the Office suite, Notability and a browser with multiple tabs open all at the same time.
Perhaps, with that sort of usage, 8gb and the possible need to do the memory swapping....I’ll be able to tolerate whatever hesitations might occur.
The $200 fee for the extra RAM doesn’t seem like much, but $1,500+ Total for an Air just feels wrong!
 
Very cool. Can’t wait to hear from more new Air users who might be able to put that system into memory stress tests to see how they do.
I’m hoping that the quicker SSD will allow me to go with 8gb and not notice if it maxes out and starts swapping in and out of that SSD.
I primarily use the Office suite, Notability and a browser with multiple tabs open all at the same time.
Perhaps, with that sort of usage, 8gb and the possible need to do the memory swapping....I’ll be able to tolerate whatever hesitations might occur.
The $200 fee for the extra RAM doesn’t seem like much, but $1,500+ Total for an Air just feels wrong!

Your usage and mind are pretty much the same and I can tell you that the base model MBA will be more than enough for you.
 
Screen is fantastic, but I'm using it indoors so I'm not noticing the lower levels of brightness compared to my 2017 nTB MBP. I don't think you'll notice a difference unless you're sitting by a window with sunlight coming in. The keyboard is fantastic though and I prefer it over the 2017 MBP.

Sounds like the Retina display is good. What colour did you get? I’ve heard that the gold is more pink looking, so I cancelled mine.
 
Got mine a few hours ago and still setting it up...

Screen = Meh.... Nowhere near as bright a MBP but might be doable...

Speed = Sluggish so far but it's probably still indexing and setting up filevault.

KB = No difference from the gen 2.. Not any quieter that I can tell..

TouchID = Fantastic

Trackpad = What you'd expect
 
Got mine a few hours ago and still setting it up...

Screen = Meh.... Nowhere near as bright a MBP but might be doable...

Speed = Sluggish so far but it's probably still indexing and setting up filevault.

KB = No difference from the gen 2.. Not any quieter that I can tell..

TouchID = Fantastic

Trackpad = What you'd expect


Wifi? Please can you do a print screen showing the Option-Wifi details.
 
What specifically are you looking for?


The TX Rate, PHY MODE, MCS Index.
And if you know what kind of wifi you have that would help too. I assume 802.11ac, but if you know which version, that would be great. Wave 1? Wave 2? AC1750? ACsomethingelse? How many antennas. What MHz spacing etc.
 
I bought a MBA in 2014 to use for business and the highest RAM option was 8gb at that point. I also got the i7 processor and 256GB SSD. I could have taken a 128GB but that seemed too small for me. In retrospect, I could easily get away with it and make use of external storage. I went with this configuration and have no regrets. Sure it was a bit more out of pocket but since there's no way to upgrade it after the fact. For me, it works.

As far as resale value goes I'm not going to suggest it's not a consideration but equally and more so of an important consideration is how it performs in the time I use it.

This configuration has proven to be solid. I have multiple browser tabs open, multiple Word, Excel, PDF docs and there are times where memory gets hit and I wish I had more memory. If i were buying today based on my own personal usage I'd certainly go with 16GB.

Now my parents on the other hand, they have very light usage. They are also iPad users so the computer get used less than ever. Checking email, FaceTime, browsing on the web, Word docs, etc. They have a 2014 with 128GB HD and 4GB of memory. For their light needs it is perfect and they're very happy with it.

Another poster mentioned taking in a USB drive into an Apple store with some of the docs you work on, that is a fantastic idea.
 
The TX Rate, PHY MODE, MCS Index.
And if you know what kind of wifi you have that would help too. I assume 802.11ac, but if you know which version, that would be great. Wave 1? Wave 2? AC1750? ACsomethingelse? How many antennas. What MHz spacing etc.

I am probably the wrong person to pass this info along as I connect at home to a 4G AT&T hotspot as it's what I use for my home internet... $20 a month and unlimited data....
 
I am probably the wrong person to pass this info along as I connect at home to a 4G AT&T hotspot as it's what I use for my home internet... $20 a month and unlimited data....

ok, thanks anyway.
 
re: the 8 vs 16 RAM debate..

Here I have 5 safari tabs open and am numerous apps

What's running:

Safari with 5 open tabs
Messages
Email
News
Deliveries
Tweetbot
Calendar
iPages with a 75 page doc
App Store
Settings
Activity Monitor

RAM used?

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Unused RAM is wasted RAM... I doubt my use, which is as a home user who occasionally will edit video and photos, would ever get anywhere close to needing 16GB...

Also, someone previously claimed MacOS would use up almost 4GB just at boot... Here is mine after a fresh reboot.,

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