Well stated. However, it seems to me that your comments to the OP are falling on deaf ears (or blind eyes). Of course, he's free to express his opinions on the merits or deficiencies of the MBA. But that entitlement doesn't extend to pronouncements regarding the intelligence, abilities, and motivations of those who disagree. For a while, I was willing to cut the OP some slack on the premise that he may not understand the nature of his disparaging language, but I've since concluded that he knows full well what he's saying. So I've taken the rare step of formally ignoring him, as I'm no longer interested in reading his contributions to this or any other thread.
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Macbook Air, the worst Macbook ever, don't buy it
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Well stated. However, it seems to me that your comments to the OP are falling on deaf ears (or blind eyes). Of course, he's free to express his opinions on the merits or deficiencies of the MBA. But that entitlement doesn't extend to pronouncements regarding the intelligence, abilities, and motivations of those who disagree. For a while, I was willing to cut the OP some slack on the premise that he may not understand the nature of his disparaging language, but I've since concluded that he knows full well what he's saying. So I've taken the rare step of formally ignoring him, as I'm no longer interested in reading his contributions to this or any other thread.
Well, what do you expect from the entry-level model?
It is a bit overpriced for its specs, but... that's pretty much standard fare with Apple.
To be honest, you seem to mention a lot of first-world problems, though, that hardly make the machine useless.
EDIT: Nevermind, it didn't occur to me that this thread was pure trolling.
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If Apple does do away with the MBA, I'm getting a MB Pro. I don't want that flimsy incapable MB.
Well said!
But there's no point re-iterating the point over and over why we love the MBA. The OP doesn't get it and simply wants his thread to live on and stir the pot. So let's let it die so that it disappears from the front page of MR.
OP is my newest ignore list member.
I don't want a flimsy, overpriced MB with a dodgy keyboard either. If Apple drops the 11 inch Air, I'll either pick up a refurb or I'll stop using Apple laptops altogether.
I get by just fine with my Mac mini and an iPad for the vast majority of my computing. I only use my Chromebook for Scrivener and a terminal when I'm on the go or in bed. Panic already makes a great terminal app. The minute Scrivener is released for iOS I won't need a laptop any more.
My needs for a Macbook might be relatively niche, but the 11 inch MacBook Air is the best one for me.
It's certainly worlds better in build quality and performance compared to the old white polycarbonate MacBooks I've had before... not worst ever. I'd say the original low performance original MacBook Air might fit that category better than the current Airs.
My needs: Fast CPU, as cheap as possible, as small and light as possible and it must be a Mac. Well that really only makes one choice of computer for me. 11 inch i7...
It's a great choice for someone who docks it more that 50% of the time, but wants it as portable as possible. Sure I could get a new retina MacBook with an m7, but I don't have that kind of money to spend. And the prospect of using dongles for everything raises makes the price even more ridiculous... and annoying to deal with everyday. You don't gain much portability if you have to throw more cables into a bag along with the laptop.
It's certainly worlds better in build quality and performance compared to the old white polycarbonate MacBooks I've had before... not worst ever. I'd say the original low performance original MacBook Air might fit that category better than the current Airs.
My needs: Fast CPU, as cheap as possible, as small and light as possible and it must be a Mac. Well that really only makes one choice of computer for me. 11 inch i7...
It's a great choice for someone who docks it more that 50% of the time, but wants it as portable as possible. Sure I could get a new retina MacBook with an m7, but I don't have that kind of money to spend. And the prospect of using dongles for everything raises makes the price even more ridiculous... and annoying to deal with everyday. You don't gain much portability if you have to throw more cables into a bag along with the laptop.
Yes man, that's pitty that Apple has revised the standard: unique usb-c port
Its clivant machine as i previously, some user love it because they dont use as primary computer, rather like a deluxe iPad with keyboard
Under-powered: not for daily average use, at least for my case, i dont see any major difference at all
For heavy task, sure it will be not enough: its core M
Each Macbook has great advantages and downsides
I love both (loved Macbook Air as well) but i prefer having one unique usb-c port and underpowered processor than bad TN display
Up to you man but i dont' think so the Macbook 12 will suit to your needs
Its clivant machine as i previously, some user love it because they dont use as primary computer, rather like a deluxe iPad with keyboard
Under-powered: not for daily average use, at least for my case, i dont see any major difference at all
For heavy task, sure it will be not enough: its core M
Each Macbook has great advantages and downsides
I love both (loved Macbook Air as well) but i prefer having one unique usb-c port and underpowered processor than bad TN display
Up to you man but i dont' think so the Macbook 12 will suit to your needs
Each to their own I guess. In my opinion, writing off the Air because of its display is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. The Air is a better machine in ever respect, except the screen and perhaps aesthetics.
The Macbook is a head scratcher of a product. It costs as much as a rMBP in my country yet it is arguably less powerful than an iPad. It's a laptop form factor but the keyboard is sub par. The single port is stupid and I'll continue to think of it as stupid until USB-C docking stations become cheap, ubiquitous and has as much I/O as the ThinkPad dock I'm using right now.
The Macbook is not worth $2000AUD; hell, it's not worth half of that. Apple is gouging Gen 1 and 2 adopters to pay for their tooling ahead of a Gen 3 price drop. They have jumped the shark with this product. They have compromised its function far too much for the sake of its form. Form, I might add that no-one asked for.
Honestly, I've found than an iPad makes for a better accessory device these days. The 9.7 Pro for example has a better screen, better battery life, has pen input and is much cheaper. My Mini's screen has the same resolution as a paper print out and fits in my jacket pocket. I wrote half of my Nanowrimo novel on my iPad mini last year.
If I could only have one device, it would be the Macbook Air, yes crappy screen and all, because it's Apple best laptop in terms of performance, portability and value by a long shot.
As it stands though, I've come to prefer the desktop/tablet combination and my bank balance is better off.
I'm a happy owner of a 2012 13" MBA i7 8GB RAM upgraded by me to 1TB SSD. It's my second MBA (my first handed down to my Dad). I chose it for its light weight, variety of ports (SD slot!), physical screen size, and level of performance.
I'd like to replace it, but currently there's not an Apple solution that fits *my* needs. I don't want another MBA without a retina screen. The MacBook screen (although retina is *beautiful and desirable*) is just too small, and I am *not* gonna carry a dongle. The 13" MBP is closer to the right choice for me, yet I'm loathe to get into a dual-core i5 (I always like buying the upgraded i7 CPU as a longevity play which pushes me into the price stratosphere) and then there's the whole Kaby Lake wait.
So, I'll keep using my 2012 MBA a see what the future brings. I'm hoping for an MBA with a retina display. *That* would be perfect for *me*.
I'd like to replace it, but currently there's not an Apple solution that fits *my* needs. I don't want another MBA without a retina screen. The MacBook screen (although retina is *beautiful and desirable*) is just too small, and I am *not* gonna carry a dongle. The 13" MBP is closer to the right choice for me, yet I'm loathe to get into a dual-core i5 (I always like buying the upgraded i7 CPU as a longevity play which pushes me into the price stratosphere) and then there's the whole Kaby Lake wait.
So, I'll keep using my 2012 MBA a see what the future brings. I'm hoping for an MBA with a retina display. *That* would be perfect for *me*.
Well, I have a 2014 MBA and a 2011 MBP and the MBP screen is far better. Its brighter, better colors, while the MBA has a kind of stains on the screen. Next to each other, the MBP clearly wins, don't no why. The MBA id way faster as a result of the flash drive.
Met a chap using a 'white macbook' yesterday - you know plastic!
He paid £50 for it two years ago and it does everything he wanted. "Go figure", I believe is the expression!
Subject to failure I will probably still be using my 11" MBA for what I need it to do 'til I pop off. I think that is value for money and choice satisfaction; neither of which are affected by ne-sayers moans. Yarooooooh!
He paid £50 for it two years ago and it does everything he wanted. "Go figure", I believe is the expression!
Subject to failure I will probably still be using my 11" MBA for what I need it to do 'til I pop off. I think that is value for money and choice satisfaction; neither of which are affected by ne-sayers moans. Yarooooooh!
I still prefer Macbook but from what i ve heard, XPS is a really good laptop
Windows? W10 is really good too but still prefer the simplicity of OSX
The things i dislike on W10: still having some bugs, being less stable than OSX
For me, if you belong to average/normal users, OSX provides you a simplicity that Windows 10 still doesnt have, better experience with more stable OS, i spent less time to find out why my internet browser became slow, why this soft crashed etc...
If you belong to power user category, maybe Windows 10 could suit to your needs
I dont own any Mac (Mac Mini/iMac), i have a Windows 10 computer as well, its less stable than OSX but nothing like i ve seen on Vista and predecessor Windows, W10 is actually a matured Windows
Windows 8 was so bad it put me off from windows ever since
But it's the cheapest with the best battery life, yes?
Some of us choose portables for their portability, not JUST their screen quality.
Battery life is very decent on MB 12
How much do you last with Macbook Air 11?
Sure Macbook Air 13 has incredible battery life but 11 doesnt have same
I got similar battery life (maybe MBA 11 is 5/10% better)
Its too bad that Apple didnt add Retina display (at least IPS) on Macbook Air
iMac, Macbook, Macbook Air, iPhone, all does have IPS, meaning wide viewing angles
How much do you last with Macbook Air 11?
Sure Macbook Air 13 has incredible battery life but 11 doesnt have same
I got similar battery life (maybe MBA 11 is 5/10% better)
Its too bad that Apple didnt add Retina display (at least IPS) on Macbook Air
iMac, Macbook, Macbook Air, iPhone, all does have IPS, meaning wide viewing angles
Hold that thought until after the release of the new 13 & 15 " MBP, expect VERY THIN, and 1-2 USBCNo it's not...Is the future of some ultrabooks but not most of the laptops
lol, I'm all for people buying what they feel is best for them, but that's just being a fanboy. No one loves TN screens. There's a reason they're being phased out and only come in $199 walmart laptops anymore...and apparently macbook airs.
The OP is fairly right though, the MBA is a fairly garbage machine for the price. If it works for you, great. But you can't argue that it isn't behind the times and very underwhelming at its price point. So is the MB. Really, when the top of the line MBPr barely benchmarks above the top of the line 2011 MBP, and has less functionality, it's a sign Apple is getting lazy with their computers.
You make a point, Apple will never release all functionality we want
Macbook Air + Retina display would be perfect, instead of it, they released Macbook 12 that obvisouly is clivant machine (less powered than MBA but it does have Retina and IPS display)
I have made my own conclusion:
- Do not consider price as criteria when you buy Apple stuffs, Macbok 12 is more expensive than Macbook Air, so what? iPhone 6S is way more expensive than iPhone SE though
- Apple will stop taking their power user customer into less consideration
These two points shows how Apple business works, they dont want MBA anymore in their lineup (not updated this year or barely updated with minor and insignificant improvements)
Macbook Air + Retina display would be perfect, instead of it, they released Macbook 12 that obvisouly is clivant machine (less powered than MBA but it does have Retina and IPS display)
I have made my own conclusion:
- Do not consider price as criteria when you buy Apple stuffs, Macbok 12 is more expensive than Macbook Air, so what? iPhone 6S is way more expensive than iPhone SE though
- Apple will stop taking their power user customer into less consideration
These two points shows how Apple business works, they dont want MBA anymore in their lineup (not updated this year or barely updated with minor and insignificant improvements)
Yes, I have seen a white MacBook in use recently, and marvelled at it; it worked perfectly, and looked great.
Agree - and this is a one of the main reasons why people choose the MBA. That, and the power, and excellent battery life.
I think that this is a very good point, and should serve to remind us that Apple no longer makes most of its income form computers.
These days, it is no longer a company that designs stunning, cutting edge computers, where form and function fuse into something that changes how computers are used, and viewed and bought.
Instead, these days, it is a vast corporation, which makes most of its income from the way it managed to redefine how we consumed the purchase of music. From music, it migrated to the world of designing apps. Nowadays, Apple is interested in managing, storing, and charging for the right to store and access our content, a model based on renting the right to store, the right to access material and data.
That means that the computing arm is a quaint niche, redolent of the frontier days, and retained for reasons - possibly - of nostalgia. Certainly, Apple no longer makes most of its income from computers.
My sense is that - for Apple - computers are no longer the main point of the company, and nor does it command the attention of the R&D section of the company to anything like the same extent as it used to; they can even afford to have the computing arm as a sort of loss leader.
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