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You say that as if those are things people care about.

And willfully ignore the value of a 12" Retina Display, a Force Touch trackpad, Backlit butterfly keyboard, a single port to rule them all, and ultra portability.

It's crazy to me when Apple does things, greats things, things that no one else does...and people like you don't think you should pay for them.
The keyboard and single port are limitations to a lot of people. The MBA is ultraportable itself (and more powerful). Force Touch isn't necessary and neither is retina, but it would be a nice upgrade. So the "value" is, as always, subjective. I guess these are "great things" these days.
 
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You say that as if those are things people care about.

And willfully ignore the value of a 12" Retina Display, a Force Touch trackpad, Backlit butterfly keyboard, a single port to rule them all, and ultra portability.

It's crazy to me when Apple does things, greats things, things that no one else does...and people like you don't think you should pay for them.

I give you the display, but everything else and more is subpar on the MB, compared to the MBA .
And even the display is a possible issue, due to reduced battery life .

The MB is the MBA Apple wants you to use ; the MBA is the MBA I actually can use .
 
You say that as if those are things people care about.

And willfully ignore the value of a 12" Retina Display, a Force Touch trackpad, Backlit butterfly keyboard, a single port to rule them all, and ultra portability.

It's crazy to me when Apple does things, greats things, things that no one else does...and people like you don't think you should pay for them.

Chances are most of the complaints wouldn't exist if Apple had also upgraded the MBA to Retina and included the dongle.

I know there are people out there who benefit from a machine like the Macbook, but there are many others who need more from their machine.
 
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They can add on USB-C. Please don't replace any regular USB ports with USB-C. Nothing ****ing uses USB-C. Thanks.
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Well there is your problem.

Chrome is not the problem and it only has a single tab open anyways. None of those apps are a "problem". If I only had 8GB RAM then some switching would be slightly slower but still well within what any reasonable person would consider acceptable. My point is only that OS X will use whatever RAM is available to its advantage. We are past the days where 24GB RAM is only useful in specialized apps.
 
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If that were true then the Mac Tube would feature Broadwell-EP Xeons and a choice of the latest Nvidia or AMD silicon.
There isn't a Xeon chipset that would allow Apple to do a proper update to the Mac Pro. The situation is even worst for a GPU. 14nm GPUs are just hitting the marketplace and frankly they aren't stable enough for "Pro" computer usage yet. Maybe in a couple of months there will be a viable 14 no GPU for the Mac Pro but nothing exists right now to justify an update.
The iMac would feature a top end desktop consumer GPU since it's, like, a top-end consumer desktop computer.
The iMac has never been a platform for top end consumer hardware. It is rather a platform for stable and cooler running hardware.
The Mini would feature a quad-core Skylake CPU option, and for optimal value would feature desktop components since it too is, like, a desktop computer.
You do realize that the Mini by its use of laptop parts established a whole category of desktop computers. It is a low thermal power machine that serves the needs of many users. It isn't and never has been a workstation computer.
The MacBook lines would all be on Skylakes and up for Kaby Lake refreshes soon.
Skylake offers nothing for the MBP. If you have a discrete GPU you would gain absolutely nothing by sticking a Skylake in a MBP.
You're right, someone does seem to be out of touch here.

Yep one will have to look in the mirror to see that person.

In any event I really think Apple is screwing itself here. Not due to the lack of updates, those will come when the technology is ready, but rather due to the lack of a reasonable line up of hardware. You attack the Minimdue to the lack of desktop processors even though you can't reality ally put such in the platform. However there is a real need for Apple to offer a desktop machine that isn't based on high cost Xeon technology. Hoping this case what they need to offer is a machine in a Mac Pros case that offers a single board solution with a desktop processor. That machine needs to have the option for at least one GPU card. Offer this machine for less that $1500 (more like $1250) and Apple will have a good seller on their hands.

The problem is Apple expects everything they sell to have massive sales figures and frankly that will never happen because some customers are outliers. It makes about as much sense as Ford expecting an F350 to sell as many trucks as the F150. Right now the market is such (for all manufactures) that a laptop is equal to an F150! The Mac Pro is the F350. What Apple doesn't have though is a decent F250. For those about to pipe in, NO the IMac is not the F250.
 
I want this very much.

I see what I think most people would see happening - the Macbook and Macbook Air becoming one product.

I have a Macbook Retina - the first of the two models, upgraded as much as you can - It's a fantastic ultraportable with an amazing screen, crazy long battery life, a great keyboard once you get used to it and it's the perfect size.

All it (badly) needs is:
  • A much faster CPU & integrated GPU (or non-integrated I guess but that probably wouldn't make sense).
  • 16GB of RAM as a minimum & maybe a 32GB option.
  • A NVMe SSD option somewhere between 512GB-2.5TB.
  • A second (thunderbolt enabled) USB-C port.
And then it'd be hands down the perfect laptop for me & at least 3 other people I know would immediately spec it out and buy it right away.

Not a second USB-C. Lightning. So, one Thunderbolt enabled USB-C port, and a Lightning port that can be used for charging with your iPhone cable, as well as USB 3 data speeds, not to mention compatible with your iOS peripherals.

Of course the main reason it's there is not to add a second data port, but rather a replacement for the 3.5mm Jack to accomodate new Lightning headphones. It's a convenience to the Apple customer not to have to add an adapter, or swap out cables just to witch their Lightning headphones back and forth between their iphone and their Mac.
 
Chrome is not the problem and it only has a single tab open anyways. None of those apps are a "problem". If I only had 8GB RAM then some switching would be slightly slower but still well within what any reasonable person would consider acceptable. My point is only that OS X will use whatever RAM is available to its advantage. We are past the days where 24GB RAM is only useful in specialized apps.
I know what you mean. My machine has 6GiB that's always "used" (a lot of it for cache, etc) no matter what. But in my experience with my brother's 32GiB RAM Mac Pro running El Capitan, it still leaves at least 10GiB free under normal usage*. And, from my tests, Chrome uses a lot more RAM than other browsers, which is fine if you have 24GiB of RAM but can slow down my 6GiB machine.

*It's strange. I'd expect OS X to use almost all of it up for disk cache, as Linux does.
 
500 days since the last upgrade is a joke. Is Cook deliberately trying to piss off the user base and **** up Apple in the process because it sure seems like it.
 
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If you think a screen from 2000-2005 is synonymous with a MBA, you'll have a hell of a shock if you ever got your hands on a PowerBook.

I already got over that shock. My PowerBook has a screen res of 1680x1050, the MBA tops out at 1400x900. Progress, I suppose.
 
Any other laptop with decent ports is just as portable. USB-C isn't one port to rule them all. It's one port you wish were something else.
That same crap was heard when USB first came out.

USB-C isn't "one port to rule them all" anymore than any other port is. It is however a technology step forward, just like USB was when it replaced RS232 and Centronic ports on PC's all those years ago.
And also, the keyboard on that thing sucks because they tried to make it too thin. The rMBP is a much better computer in every way.
The Mac Book sucks because of a lack of vision and understanding upon the part of the people responsible for its design. That boils down to the lack of ports on the machine. The keyboard however, like all keyboards really, is a personal thing. Some will hate it and some will love it. Sadly many won't event try to use it.

As for the MBP yes it is a better machine, that is because it is a Pro computer. Mac Book is hardly suitable for even a casual user.
 
Isn't obvious that all of Apple's upcoming devices (accept for some weird reason not the iPhone 7) will have USB-C?
 
Just another reason to buy more adapters. Yay!
because we never have to buy new adapters when new tech comes out.
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I already got over that shock. My PowerBook has a screen res of 1680x1050, the MBA tops out at 1400x900. Progress, I suppose.

Oh, I meant more in terms of colour balance and brightness rather than comparing resolutions of 17" display vs 13". Honestly the old PB displays were so dim and grubby.

The 1st gen MBP was like staring into the sun when you put them side by side.
 
this makes no sense. drop the air, improve the macbook

It actually seems like dithering from Apple now. If the MacBook is the future then they shouldn't be updating the MBA but merely let it get long in the tooth. I always wondered why they refreshed the MBA in 2015. Perhaps they were hedging their bets as they didn't know if the MB with one port would sink or swim. Having two laptops in this space is not what Steve would do.
 
Sure, and keep the subpar TN 768/900p while you're at it, Apple.

Seriously, it's the only thing holding the Air back.
 
There isn't a Xeon chipset that would allow Apple to do a proper update to the Mac Pro.

I must disagree on this point as they could have upgraded to the FCLGA2011-3 socket. The Xeon E5-2679 is an absolute screamer.

However I'm not sure what the new Mac Pro's PSU is rated for (or even the old one, for that matter)... The max TDP for that Xeon I mentioned is 200W.
 
because we never have to buy new adapters when new tech comes out.
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The difference is when USB came out, they didn't immediately take out all ports and replace them with USB. They kept them as long as they were useful.
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That same crap was heard when USB first came out.

USB-C isn't "one port to rule them all" anymore than any other port is. It is however a technology step forward, just like USB was when it replaced RS232 and Centronic ports on PC's all those years ago.
... and when Thunderbolt first came out. Problem is nobody is adopting USB-C like Apple is. It's at risk of being another one of those ports that really only Apple uses even though it's open (see: FW400). Regardless, USB is what people use today. It's fine if Apple adds USB-C ports. It's not fine if they replace the currently most widely used port with it.
 
Which port is the right (one) port (to use for everything) from that list?


Here is the problem with us Pro Users and the "One harmonized port" issue. We connect devices with multiple kinds of ports. Us having to buy expensive (50-70 dollars sometimes) adapters that wear out or are unreliable or have noise issues are not the answer. If we pay a premium for a pro device its because we expect them to perform in a professional environment with some kind of legacy environment. Audio industry is having a hard time keeping up. Most are still using USB2 and FW1 connectors. ONly this last 2 years have they started add thunderbolt with the mini display port connector. That is a huge production cost for these kinds of companies because of licensing, manufacturing on a relatively small volume customer base. I'm all for more speed and bandwidth in a connector but what good is it if I have to buy 300 dollars worth of adapters. Case in point a thunderbolt dock costs 200 bucks in some cases.
 
Oh, I meant more in terms of colour balance and brightness rather than comparing resolutions of 17" display vs 13". Honestly the old PB displays were so dim and grubby.

The 1st gen MBP was like staring into the sun when you put them side by side.

Mine is a 15" and not dim. A bit grubby though but that is what years of rough handling in a corporate environment will do to Apple's delicate hardware. The 1st gen MBP was like handling the sun, it overheated so happily.
 
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Apple, do whatever to keep the laptop and desktop dinosaur lovers happy. But please spend more energy on getting the ipad to truly being a laptop replacement like timmy keeps saying, because it's really not there, yet. Also, get that ATV foundation off the ground floor. We need to see that thing really allow for full cable cutting. Keep the watch pushing forward. Get rid of Cue and improve the services to be quality products -- especially iworks. spending too much energy on these dying platforms isn't a smart play. You're losing ground on the phone and barely keeping pace on the tablet. Its time to make a bold move (I hate to say it, but you know Steve would have) and refocus the company on the future. In the short term, that is the phone, mid term that is the watch and ipad and ATV, long term that is the services and the ?car?. But really, the laptop and desktop are becoming niche products (less than 12% of revenue and dropping).
 
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The issue isn't update frequency, it's that Apple use generation-old tech in many of their products. This is actually more of an issue for those who go longer between hardware updates.
It depends upon several issues, some Apple computers are more outdated than others, mostly though people look at Apples computers and call them outdated even though an objective look at the hardware says that they aren't outdated at all. In many cases computers that people are calling outdated in this thread are actually delivering state of the art performance.
I normally keep a Mac about 5 years. There is no freakin' way I would buy a computer stuffed with last generation components if I plan to use it so long.
Honestly you shouldn't.

You buy hardware when it makes sense and hopefully when the technology has transitioned to a new generation of hardware. It doesn't make sense to piss away good money on hardware if you don't get anything out of that upgrade.

The problem here though is that you are thinking in terms that made sense a decade or two ago but make no sense now. People in this thread seem to be obsessed with "Skylake" but that revision offers absolutely nothing for any Apple machine with a discreet processor. I can't stress this enough the year to year updates to Intel's CPUs, over the last three years, have been null events for all intents.

You can search the net for all sorts of benchmarks that can prove me right or wrong but the fact remains it has been a very very long time since we have seen a decent processor upgrade from Intel. GPU updates are another thing and this does impact integrated only machines.

In any event people are still ignoring the fact that the industry is changing to a remarkable extent. You simply won't be seeing rapid increases in CPU performance anymore. It will likely be 3-5 years between process shrinks from the likes of Intel and there is no certainty that they can keep this up past 10 years. This means we need to seem completely new technology for building computer chips and frankly there is nothing on the horizon that looks like it can replace CMOS in a decades time.

So what I'm saying here is that keeping a PC for 5 years may not afford you the massive performance increases of the past. If you are lucky you might get one process shrink that amounts to anything.
And at Apple prices I don't think it's wrong to expect their products to feature current generation silicon. Do you?

It depends upon the product. If the current generation of hardware offers nothing then you do have to question why Apple would even bother to update the machine. Frankly I would rather wait for an update that is balanced system wide so that you get real benefit for your upgrade money. Today that would mean avoiding buying a machine with less than the following:
  1. DDR4 or better RAM
  2. USB-C ports, at least four. This includes TB support and other goodies from the most recent rev.
  3. A 14nm class GPU.
  4. 1TB of SSD
You see the problem is the CPU these days doesn't make the system modern or even worth the money. You are buying a system and the CPU these days is only one component of that system. As such many of Appls machines are still very much state of the art and high performance compared to offerings from other companies.

In any event why complain about something that isn't on the market yet? Simply wait until Apple Has what you want on the market.

It could be worst! My old 2008 MBP does very early in 2015. I didn't want to buy the old hardware so I waited for the new hardware to arrive, downgrading to a 13" MBP. Though I was somewhat disappointed that Apple didn't do the upgrade I wanted I did buy the machine and frankly have no complaints. In the end it wasn't the CPU that made the machine a worthwhile upgrade, but rather all the parts working together.

By the way waiting for that upgrade sucked royally. If it wasn't for my iPad I would have had to buy a year old model. It isn't like I don't understand the need for new hardware but rather I object to people focusing on the Intel processor and not taking a long hard look at what Intel has to offer and how much it really offers in value for the complete machine.
 
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