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Machead III said:
Integrated graphics is not ok. Are you crazy? If these are successors to the iBooks, and iBooks were portable iMacs, then I want to be able to fiddle with some prosumer tasks and play the odd new game.

If I wanted bullcrap integrated graphics I'd wait for a MacBook Mini, and we all know that'd be a loooooong wait.

The iBook is not a portable iMac today, and generally has been less powerful than the iMac, about half of its life not even having a similar generation of processors. The iBook G3 and iMac G3 may have been similar, but once the iMac G4 came out, the iBook continued to be G3 based for a while. They eventually overlapped for a few months with an iBook G4, before the iMac switched to the G5. Since then there's been no similarity.

In pricing terms, the iBook has generally always started around $999, with some very short termed exceptions. The iMac's lowest end models have varied with prices between $799 and $1,300.

I'm not sure the iBook has ever intended to be a portable iMac. The "i" has more been a branding thing to say "This is our consumer model". The iPod isn't the MP3 playing version of the iMac either 😉

As far as integrated graphics go. I was against their inclusion on the Mac mini. I still am. I think a consumer desktop should have moderately good graphics, good enough for games, and at least half a gig of RAM, not (effectively) 448megs of RAM. Pros don't need the ATI range, consumers do.

But... laptops have different requirements. They overheat when running heavily processor intensive software. People are more bothered about battery life than FPS rates.

So, in context, a GMA950 is a better choice for the MacBook. It's not perfect, but people who are thinking "small and light" are going to prefer a more efficient GPU to a more powerful GPU, for much the same reason as we prefer 1.8GHz Pentium Ms to 3GHz Pentium 4s in the same things. (The 1.8GHz M is slower than the 3GHz 4, though not as slow as the GHz figures might imply, it's more like comparing a 2.5GHz P4 to a 3GHz P4)

I would like an ATI as an option though. Personally, given the GMA950 is going to be in there anyway, it'd be an interesting strategy for Apple to try if, say, they allowed you to switch one off and use the other. Use the GMA950 on the road, the X300 at your desk. I don't think that'll happen though.
 
Machead III said:
If it's integrated, Apple will have screwed us in the face just so they can increase their profit margins slightly by getting those bullcrap gfx chipsets of Intel at a discount.

Ding ding.

Keep in mind that the 13.3 inch screens they're using are more expensive per inch than most others, they're expected to introduce a sleeker, smaller form factor, etc. It might possibly be due to heat.

Then again, maybe everyone claiming that they're definitely going with integrated graphics is full of it.
 
peharri said:
I would like an ATI as an option though. Personally, given the GMA950 is going to be in there anyway, it'd be an interesting strategy for Apple to try if, say, they allowed you to switch one off and use the other. Use the GMA950 on the road, the X300 at your desk. I don't think that'll happen though.

Sony does this today with its "Stamina" vs "Speed" switch on its laptops. It's cool, but you need to restart after flipping the switch, which is annoying.

It would certainly settle this debate though. So would releasing a 13.3" (or 12") MacBook Pro.

I really think Apple will release a small laptop with a graphics card, but it probably will not be called the MacBook.
 
retroz311 said:
Well, I am skeptical about Mac book running Final cut, in theory, I think Mac should have waited for intel new chips and made the Mac Book Pro with dual dual core, then the Mac Book pro, the Mac Book, and so on.

This way, they can go New DDR and newer CPU's for desktops and mac book pros.

One of the things that scared me - -was in a store, opened iDVD on mac pro laptop, got an error right away and it crashed...so.....hoping ibook, or mac book has better specs, but because of their business model, there is nothing that they can do, unless they price cut - -something you hardly see them do.

Why are you skeptical about running Final Cut on the MacBook? I used FCP3 for quite some time on a 1 GHz G4 and it worked fine. Seeing as FCP5 needs a minimum of a 867 MHz G4, I would think it would run nicely on any of the Core Duo chips.

Do you really think they should have waited until the could put out a Dual Dual notebook? Does any one currently offer such a beast. I am sure it would be nice from a processing power point of view, but I am not sure how practical it is right now.

The MacBook will not have better specs than the MacBook Pro. That doesn't even make sense.
 
yeah

the macbook is going to be nothing special, as in it has gotten way to much hype. it should still be a great notebook, but ive never seen this much drama over a new computer before.😎
 
The 950 is utterly abismal when it comes to 3D, but even if it's marketed as being HD-ready, that just means it can more or less handle most HD videos (but not the commercial discs mind) most of the time, but then even the most basic modern portable gfx card can do that and a whole lot more for not much more in price.

Heating is no problem with ATI's modern cards, they are cool as cucumbers.

Size is barely a factor. The cards aren't particularly big, it's the hard drive etc. that give it it's bulk.

Seriously, integrated might work well for 30% of consumers, but the other 70% are going to be frustrated a lot of the time, and 20% of that are going to be sick of it before long.

If they don't release a mid or upper range MacBook at least with dedicated, they had better release a substaintially cheaper MacBook Pro, because the lack of a mid-range laptop with nice enough graphics capabilities from Apple would be an absolute farce.
 
standard on every new Mac

Sorry to sound like the noob I am, but...

There is no reason whatsoever to assume the new macbook wil not have frontrow + apple remote, iSight, Photobooth and bluetooth + Wireless right?

On the apple site it says that every new intel-Mac comes with the above.

http://www.apple.com/getamac/whichmac.html

is there any reason to believe any of the above will not appear on the Macbook?
 
Rev B Tuesday

There are going to be a lot of unhappy Macbook Rev A users out there if after all this wait the Macbook Rev A has anything like the same problems as the MBP.

It may also drive a lot of switchers either away or back, and this time for good.

I personally can't wait for REV B Tuesday.😀

"Sources close to Apple have confirmed that the new MBP will be shipping sometime after next Tuesday. The new model will have some substantial improvements over the existing model so consumers may also expect some minor price adjustments. The same source has revealed that Apple is building inventory and as soon as they hit acceptable levels they will be releasing the product."

I can't wait!
 
mackiwi said:
Sorry to sound like the noob I am, but...

There is no reason whatsoever to assume the new macbook wil not have frontrow + apple remote, iSight, Photobooth and bluetooth + Wireless right?

On the apple site it says that every new intel-Mac comes with the above.

http://www.apple.com/getamac/whichmac.html

is there any reason to believe any of the above will not appear on the Macbook?

No, I think - almost to the point of certainty - that the new MacBook will come with all of this.

BTW, strange that the Power Mac G5 is not listed there at all... Isn't that a "new Mac" (at least to the one who purchases it) as well? 😕
 
macbook nano?

Another noob question:

Is it the hard drive in a mackbook that gives it its minimum depth? Is it likely that we will see an ultraportable mac that uses 40gig of flash memory - something like the nano uses, but larger or half a dozen flash memory chips acting as one?

I think that would be great with a 10 inch screen and a half-inch thickness and only wieghing a few pound. might be pricey though.
 
thanks alex.

it seems they are only promoting the intel-macs in the new ad campaign.

fair enough I guess, as they mention the windows compatible aspect on those pages too.
 
Machead III said:
If it's integrated, Apple will have screwed us in the face just so they can increase their profit margins slightly by getting those bullcrap gfx chipsets of Intel at a discount.

<sarcasm>Damn these companies trying to make money with their products. It makes me so mad. I mean Apple already has so much cash, they should be selling computers at cost. </sarcasm>
 
Apple have vast profit margins anyway, the least they could do for their loyal fanbase is provide them with a laptop that is not, in GFX terms, less powerfull than every other for the past 4 years.
 
pjkelnhofer said:
There already is... it is called the MacBook Pro.


Right, so, $1200.00 for a dedicated GPU.

Sounds like a good deal to me (rolls eyes).

Go MaxOSX86.org rah rah rah unless Apple gets there swizzle together!
 
$1200.00 just for a comp with a dedicated GPU would be an abomination. $2000 just for a portable one would be a war crime.
 
retroz311 said:
Right, so, $1200.00 for a dedicated GPU.

Sounds like a good deal to me (rolls eyes).

Go MaxOSX86.org rah rah rah unless Apple gets there swizzle together!

Explain your math to me, the 15 inch MBP costs $2000. You think the MacBook that is similiarly configured but with integrated graphics is going to cost $800?

15.4-inch widescreen display
1440x900 resolution
1.83GHz Intel Core Duo(1)
512MB (single SODIMM) 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM
80GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive
4x SuperDrive
One FireWire 400 and two USB 2.0 ports

That is a pretty good deal even @ $800 even with the GMA 950 in it.
 
moesker007 said:
If i had to put money on it i would guess next friday at the NYC opening, it just makes the most sense to me 🙂

I was thinking the same thing--- my daughter wants me to take her and her "Mac" friends -- could be a zoo!

JT
 
peharri said:
I'm not sure the iBook has ever intended to be a portable iMac. The "i" has more been a branding thing to say "This is our consumer model". The iPod isn't the MP3 playing version of the iMac either 😉
If you can find the video of the MacWorld inwhich the iBook (clamshell) was introduced, Steve had a chart that showed the PowerMac had the PowerBook and that on that day the iMac had the iBook as its portable brother. So yes the iBook was indeed intended to be the portbale iMac.

If anyone knows the website address could you post it? I don't have it here at work, but I remember that MacBytes posted it about a month ago. Pretty cool to watch all the old introductions of things over the past 8 years at conventions and gatherings.
 
retroz311 said:
will mini or new ibook, errr, macbook run the Garageband and Final Cut studios?
Yes. GarageBand comes with all Macs, and some people run Final Cut on MUCH slower G4 machines. You may not be able to run the Motion part of the FC bundle on a low-end Mac, but the rest should be fine. Consider Final Cut Express, too.

Obviously, the more you pay the more performance you'll get--but FC will run on a Core Solo/Duo, and MANY people get buy with FC on slower machines than that.

To answer your other questions:

Re the crash you saw on a MBP: it's not because the specs need to be higher, it's just a random crash. It happens. Rare, but it's possible. I've run iDVD just fine on a 700 Mhz Mac that a Core would just blow away.

Re price: if you compare all the specs of a Mac to other name-brand PCs, Macs aren't more expensive. Don't pick one or two specs and say the machines are equal--find machines that really ARE equal before you price-compare. That includes I/O ports, built-in camera, software bundle, etc. (And of course the Mac has OS X, but you can't compare that!)

Welcome to reliable, easy, fun creativity! You won't regret a MacBook with GarageBand and Final Cut. (Disclaimer: the MacBook does not exist for us yet!)
 
well I finally did it, I broke down and bought an iMac instead of waiting for these anymore. Anyone think I made a bad decision?
 
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