MacBook Delays? Next Tuesday?

[monkeyandy]

One word can sum up this thread - childish.

There are so many people acting like a 5-year old boy moaning whether he could get his toy, and threatening to throw a temper if he couldn't get it the way he wanted 🙄

I completely agree with you. Maybe it is populated with loads of 5 year old Mac fans! 😛

I put a comment on here with my opinions earlier and asked for peoples thoughts and all I got was really childish responses with no real thought put into them! God I was just voicing my opinion, it's not like I was insulting your mom!

😡 🙁

 

[GooMan]

At this point I would just like to see the MacBook released. Then we can start the moaning, whining, and complaining. 🙄

 

[Tmog]

well I finally did it, I broke down and bought an iMac instead of waiting for these anymore. Anyone think I made a bad decision?

Well, at least you have a new computer - the rest of us just keep dreaming....

 

[peharri]

I saw my buddy at the Apple Store today (manager) and he told me they just got allocated 247 14" iBooks which will be in this next week. In addition to that, they were to redo their front store display on Thursday and got word this morning that the redo is put on hold until a later date which they will be informed of in the future.

247?! That sounds like a lot of stock to shift, especially at a time when presumably most Mac buyers know the replacement for the iBook is coming out RSN. I wonder how many iBooks do they normally sell in a week?

 

[blueimac'00]

might as well be next year.

 

[bill4588]

247?! That sounds like a lot of stock to shift, especially at a time when presumably most Mac buyers know the replacement for the iBook is coming out RSN. I wonder how many iBooks do they normally sell in a week?

I wouldnt worry about it. Apple wont delay the release of a product just because they have some leftovers laying around. They would just release the Macbook and sell the iBooks at lower prices.

 

[Willis]

Thank god im not buying till january/feb. BUT i want to see these damn things sometime THIS YEAR!

And no, im not going to pull the old "im going to windows" or "stuff it, i'll get an iBook"

I can wait and wait i shall 🙂

 

[1984]

If the MacBook isn't prosumer, and is instead a measly little mini with integrated graphics and an LCD soldered onto the top, Apple are utter morons.

I believe we will eventually see a MacBook Pro version of the 13" MacBook. The 12" PowerBook was strongly based on the 12" iBook so I don't see how this is any different. However, I expect for now we'll see just the MacBook in white and black along with updates to the iPods and maybe a promotion tying the two together.

247?! That sounds like a lot of stock to shift, especially at a time when presumably most Mac buyers know the replacement for the iBook is coming out RSN. I wonder how many iBooks do they normally sell in a week?

I believe it was Appleinsider that stated the 14" iBook would continue to be sold alongside the new 13" MacBooks for a while.

 

[bill4588]

I believe it was Appleinsider that stated the 14" iBook would continue to be sold alongside the new 13" MacBooks for a while.

it was actually the 12"........im pretty sure.....lol

 

[shrhaider]

we get to wait another week for the iBook replacement? AWESOME!!

 

[cloudblood84]

yeah all this waiting is exciting, ill be so bored with my life when its finally released

 

[Mersen]

macbook with integrated graphics

I am thinking of making the jump to Mac... I figure the release of the Macbook will be as good of a time as ever. Heres the deal, I have heard quite a few people mention gaming and integrated graphics being a bad combo. I do not intend to use the Macbook as a dedicated gaming machine, as I have my desktop for that, but I would like the option of playing some World of Warcraft while on the road. If the Macbook does have integrated graphics, of 64MB (the min that it would have I guess...and hope) would I be able to do that?

Furthermore... I do not intend on running the full version of Final Cut Studio, but I may get a copy of FCS Express. Is 64mb good enough to run the program relatively smoothly? I would hate to have trouble trying to make the occasional DvD. Will the duocore (hopefully) have an impact on how well the 64mb integrated graphics works? Or better phrased, is a duocore with 64mb intgrated graphics that much faster then a solocore with 64mb integrated?

Thank you for your input, I hope this is the appropriate thread, sorry if not...

 

[peharri]

I believe it was Appleinsider that stated the 14" iBook would continue to be sold alongside the new 13" MacBooks for a while.

That perhaps points to a higher priced MacBook too. I assume they'd keep the iBook around as an entry level laptop.

Perhaps the intention is to release low-end Core Solo/GMA950 based MacBooks once enough universal binary software is available? (Or alternatively, just lower the costs of the existing units and remote ATI graphics if present as better Core Duos become available for more expensive models.)

 

[yac_moda]

I am thinking of making the jump to Mac... I figure the release of the Macbook will be as good of a time as ever. Heres the deal, I have heard quite a few people mention gaming and integrated graphics being a bad combo. I do not intend to use the Macbook as a dedicated gaming machine, as I have my desktop for that, but I would like the option of playing some World of Warcraft while on the road. If the Macbook does have integrated graphics, of 64MB (the min that it would have I guess...and hope) would I be able to do that?

Furthermore... I do not intend on running the full version of Final Cut Studio, but I may get a copy of FCS Express. Is 64mb good enough to run the program relatively smoothly? I would hate to have trouble trying to make the occasional DvD. Will the duocore (hopefully) have an impact on how well the 64mb integrated graphics works? Or better phrased, is a duocore with 64mb intgrated graphics that much faster then a solocore with 64mb integrated?

Thank you for your input, I hope this is the appropriate thread, sorry if not...

The iMac has had integrated graphics and work just fine for games.

It is NOT a question of being able to do something, these Intel Macs can literally do anything ALL AT ONCE.

The only reason people have reservations about integrated graphics is because it can not be customized or HACKED for MAXIMUM speed.

If you want graphics card upgradeability in a laptop get the NEXT generation of the MacBook Pro. The current model has been clocked DOWN because of heat and battery problems, it is not unusual for Apple or the community to come up with fixes for these problems, and that could happen soon but there are no guarantees.

The current MacBook Pro can be HACKED fairly easily to increase the speed but if you were to use it this for gaming it would be advisable to keep a laptop pad beneath it with ACTIVE COOLING.

 

[retroz311]

Why are you skeptical about running Final Cut on the MacBook? I used FCP3 for quite some time on a 1 GHz G4 and it worked fine. .

Yes but will it run on the upcoming macbooks or minis? Doubtful as they need quartz extreme if I am not mistaken, so look at your G4, what GPU is it?
If it's a laptop chances are it's AGP with quartz extreme.

I don't think mini's or new macbook will have that enabled or will they!?

Then of course, if they (APPL) are going for the masses and college students, then these same users also play games, not just surf the net, so, again on-board GPU is not such a smart move.

One would hope Apple realizes this and targets the macbook as an upgrade to the mini not just a mini on wheels.

😀

 

[wyrmintheapple]

Sure, the GMA 950 will run WoW, just not the prettiest you've ever seen it. You'll probably get native resolution, but turn the view distance to half way, and turn the Full Screen Glow off and you'll probably get 30+ fps except in high lag areas where frame rates are bad regardless of hardware.

Turn off most of the shader effects and Antialiasing (Which is where the GMA950 falls over) and most games should run at 1024x768 or higher, with low-mid texture settings.

WoW also remains playable for most well down into the 15-20 fps range for many people. Its not a 'twitch' style game.

Gotta remember, "playable" to a computer geek, whether from the Mac or PC camp means "60fps at 1600x1200 at MEGA Settings or I gotta buy a new gfx card!!!". Playable for a home user (like those who buy the MacBook) means just that... playable, as in... they can PLAY the game.

I for one will be just happy to dump the windows laptop for my support calls, currently I carry 2. With the space saved I can buy a smaller car, and with the fuel savings I can save up and buy Apple.... and then maybe Hawaii.😀

 

[Scruff]

It's like these guys have a Magic 8-Ball, but everytime they ask their question, "Will MacBooks be released on Tuesday?", and give it a big ol' shake, it keeps coming up "My sources say... yes".

 

[wyrmintheapple]

The iMac has had integrated graphics and work just fine for games.

It is NOT a question of being able to do something, these Intel Macs can literally do anything ALL AT ONCE.

The only reason people have reservations about integrated graphics is because it can not be customized or HACKED for MAXIMUM speed.

If you want graphics card upgradeability in a laptop get the NEXT generation of the MacBook Pro. The current model has been clocked DOWN because of heat and battery problems, it is not unusual for Apple or the community to come up with fixes for these problems, and that could happen soon but there are no guarantees.

The current MacBook Pro can be HACKED fairly easily to increase the speed but if you were to use it this for gaming it would be advisable to keep a laptop pad beneath it with ACTIVE COOLING.

No, despite my comment on how reasonable the GMA950 is above, the reason people don't like the IGC, is not 'cause they cant "hack" it, far from it, people are just used to having dedicated Nvidia/ATI chips, which are far better than the comparatively crappy intel chips.

Integrated does not mean soldered onto the motherboard, integrated to it, It means that it IS the motherboard, the GMA series is part of the actual motherboard chipset.

Yes, the iMac DOES have integrated graphics, all macs using these intel motherboards will do, but in the iMac they are disabled, in favour of a better chipset from ATI elsewhere on the mainboard.

 

[Mersen]

Integrated does not mean soldered onto the motherboard, integrated to it, It means that it IS the motherboard, the GMA series is part of the actual motherboard chipset.

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It is my understanding that integrated graphics utilizes the motherboard's speed, verses an independent card running relatively autonomous. So would that mean that a SoloCore with 64mb be much "slower" then a CoreDuo with 64mb? Would the difference be noticeable?

I dont think I could afford to drop $2000 on a MBP, besides i really would prefer the smaller 13inch. I could spend $1500 if I had to but.... I know, I could always buy a referbished...yuck I dont like that idea for some reason...

 

[truz]

So.. what was in the boxes on tuesday?

 

[iEdd]

So.. what was in the boxes on tuesday?

As far as I know, there were no boxes. 😕 🙁

 

[dongmin]

Nooooooooooooooooooooo!

Bill's been saving his pennies for a new MacBook too, apparently. He feels your pain.

(or his blabbering about some online gaming service.)

 

[Slow Down]

Give the games a break.

It seems that everytime new hardware is about to be released from Apple, the gamers go crazy.

Whatever the hardware is, if it doesn't have the latest dual cross linked video cards, complete with 640 bit processors and 1 GB of Vram, the the machine is a piece of crap.

To top this off it, when it is lower end hardware they go nuts because it doesn't out-spec another Apple machine that costs twice as much.

I wish they would put down their cyber rifles, or keyboard swords, and quit spamming every hardware thread with the same crap about games.

There practically is no Mac game market, give it a rest already. Please.

 

[Groovey]

we get to wait another week for the iBook replacement? AWESOME!!

Haha! I'd really say that's the spirit we all should sport. At least I'll try! 🙂 Not a bad thing to wait after all.

 

[wyrmintheapple]

It seems that everytime new hardware is about to be released from Apple, the gamers go crazy.

Whatever the hardware is, if it doesn't have the latest dual cross linked video cards, complete with 640 bit processors and 1 GB of Vram, the the machine is a piece of crap.

To top this off it, when it is lower end hardware they go nuts because it doesn't out-spec another Apple machine that costs twice as much.

I wish they would put down their cyber rifles, or keyboard swords, and quit spamming every hardware thread with the same crap about games.

There practically is no Mac game market, give it a rest already. Please.

Unfortunately Games=Sales to Kids, Families and Teenage gamers. These people will often use windows until shown the light. If Apple HAD a game market, sales in the consumer sector undoubtedly would be higher. For Apple to have a games market, their top G5's need to perform better than £400 boxes, and right now that's not the case.

The more people complain, the more chance there is that Apple will stop putting piss poor cards in their high end units, make a consumer machine with some kind of upgradability for the graphics, and tidy up that terribly OpenGL implementation for OSX.

I too think moaning about the gfx card in the Mac Mini or MacBook is fruitless. I think the gamers go a bit nuts. Even if YOU dont game on your Mac, the point they make is still a valid one.

Games are probably THE most demanding thing a computer can do..... You can't "game" properly on a year old machine, you need the latest and greatest, you need overclocking, crazy cooling. You need huge, low latency networking, Overclocked CPU's and Graphics cards that cost as much as the machine. Photorealistic graphics delivered to your eyeballs at 60fps. Those renders aren't measured in minutes, its fractions of a second. The speed of a PC doesn't just mean you have one more cup of tea while your "render" or "compile" completes while you "work". Its the difference between playable, and not playable, between looking good, and not. Anyone who looks down on the "games market" really needs to look into it first. The fastest rigs in the world belong to gamers and corporations.

Not all graphics houses etc have G5's, most are working on older hardware. Film is the only market to really 'require' this much power. Let me put it another way.... There's nothing you cant do on a Mac mini that you can do on a G5, just a bit slower. You cant play Doom3 on a Mac mini like you can on a G5 though. Not slower, not AT ALL!!