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Wow, it sounds like you've had an interesting experience with Apple! haha.

I can't say I'll be buying AppleCare though. Extended warranties should never be a requirement when purchasing computers or electronics. The equipment should be built well enough to withstand years of regular use. After my experience with Apple so far, I really can't say I want them having any more of my money.

I really like my iPods (even if my 3G 8GB iPod nano is on the second replacement because of tilted screens and it still has a tilted screen!), and I do like my iPhone. I like Mac OS X on my MacBook. But so far the customer service and hardware just hasn't been up to snuff. Certainly not what I would expect from a company that charges $1408 after taxes for a notebook with only 1GB of RAM and a DVD writer.

I mean, Diana S. and Nate Doss have been good, but Ken Bell was a real jerk. Both of the other two have only come into affect after things went bad with regular customer service. I really don't see why AppleCare's phone support closes at 6PM Pacific and is not open on the weekends. Theres also the fact that Apple uses Flextronics to repair systems sent out for repair.

And then the build quality. I can understand my "SuperDrive" going bad in my first MacBook. But the case discoloration and falling apart? Whats up with that? Even a $450 Everex from Wal-Mart won't just fall apart or have the case come unsealed. You also don't have to worry about case discoloration, warping, or cracking from heat with a $450 Wal-Mart system.

I really don't know how to feel about Apple. Only a year ago I viewed Macs as superior and thought Apple could do no wrong. Now, 11 months after purchasing my first Mac, I can't say I would do it again. I really do like OS X. But Apple's hardware and quality control is very substandard and the repair depot strikes fear into the hearts of millions of Apple owners.

My experience with Apple actually turned out to be incredibly ironic. The Mac was originally purchased out of frustration with HP. Each HP had hardware failures and, despite repairing them properly, HP offered a replacement as an apology for the inconvenience it caused me. With Apple, aside from the optical drive failure, all failures have been build quality issues or destruction caused by those who were supposed to repair it.

HP really went above and beyond what they had to do. I originally purchased a system with a Turion64 ML-37 (2GHz), 1GB of RAM, 100GB 4200 RPM drive, DVD writer, ATI Xpress 200M w/128MB dedicated memory (integrated GPU but dedicated memory, still better than the X3100 2 years later), and a TV tuner. I ended up with a Core 2 Duo 2GHz (Santa Rosa), 2GB of RAM, 160GB 5400 RPM drive, DVD writer, TV tuner, and GeForce 8400M GS (that is HDCP compatible, HDMI output, all that good stuff). I ended up with a system that was several times faster than the original purchase, all because HP was apologizing for what had happened.

With Apple, I ended up with one replacement that was really what the computer should have been in the first place, and it only happened because Flextronics kept destroying their repairs.

I do truly wish that Apple would release OS X as a separate operating system that we could install on any computer that meets the requirements. Even if they charged $199 retail for the stand alone install anywhere version..

At this point, I can't say my Apple computer experience has been good. Despite the hardware failures, my HP experience has been good because, even though they repaired the systems properly, they replaced them as a good will gesture when they didn't have to. So far, this one I have now has been running absolutely beautifully with no problems of any kind at all. I put on XP on it and it absolutely flies and plays every game I throw at it.

I really don't know what I will do with my Mac. I like it. I want to keep it. It's a great little machine, despite the lack of a dedicated GPU. But all of the build quality issues I have had, as well as Apple's repair depot's reputation make me uncertain it. Whats the point of buying AppleCare when all it really does is guarantee me that Flextronics can continue to destroy my system for the next couple of years? I'll also be even more nervous about using the system even more now that I've had more build quality issues.

If it comes back in bad shape, I might just take Apple up on that refund offer. If it comes back in good shape, I might just sell it as well as my iPods and possibly my iPhone too. OS X sure is nice. I really wish Apple would put as much money into quality control with all of their products as they put into polishing OS X. It doesn't matter how good the software package is when the hardware has more quality control issues than systems costing nearly $1,000 less (or even more in the case of the MBPs) and that systems costing several hundred less, or even half as much, come with more memory, more storage space, more features, etc.

I was happy to be a part of the "Mac community" a year ago. But now.. I just can't have faith in a company or their products after having so many build quality/QA issues with two separate computers and 3 iPod nanos.

Forgot to add that my MacBook repair is currently "on hold - need more information" so we'll see what happens with that on Monday.
 
I can't say I'll be buying AppleCare though. Extended warranties should never be a requirement when purchasing computers or electronics. The equipment should be built well enough to withstand years of regular use.


It is a requirement for some who can't afford to buy a new computer every year or pay a thousand dollars for logic board replacement etc.
 
The computer should be built well enough to last.

I know, but sadly they are not. Plus, all things portable (like MacBooks) are more prone to issues due to frequent movement and shocks. I wouldn't buy AppleCare for a desktop, but always for laptops.
 
I know, but sadly they are not. Plus, all things portable (like MacBooks) are more prone to issues due to frequent movement and shocks. I wouldn't buy AppleCare for a desktop, but always for laptops.

Well, they should be. That reason alone is why I will not buy another Apple notebook until the build quality has been significantly improved. The MacBook Air's build quality, as least durability wise, is where the MacBook and MacBook Pro should be.

Apple's warranty doesn't even cover things that would normally happen to portable computers, like bad drops or anything like that. HP and Dell offer this, but Apple doesn't. HP will even cover accessories. For example, if you buy a printer, digital camera, and monitor, you can get up to 4 years of pickup and return for all items and it covers accidental damage. So if you drop your notebook, knock your monitor off the desk, or trip and send your digital camera into a lake, HP will cover it. AppleCare only covers things that shouldn't even be necessary with good build quality.
 
No offence but I think then you should have bought a HP....

I did buy the HP ;) I bought my first HP before my Mac. The motherboard in the HP went bad, so I bought my Mac while I went through the motions to get the HP repaired.

Eventually ended up with the HP I have now with a C2D, dedicated GPU, 2GB of RAM, etc. while I ended up with another MacBook that has build quality issues.

Even my friends MacBook Pros are having case sealing issues.

Apple makes a great operating system. The iPods up until the current generation were great. But lately, all of their products have serious build quality issues.
 
I did buy the HP ;) I bought my first HP before my Mac. The motherboard in the HP went bad, so I bought my Mac while I went through the motions to get the HP repaired.

Eventually ended up with the HP I have now with a C2D, dedicated GPU, 2GB of RAM, etc. while I ended up with another MacBook that has build quality issues.

Even my friends MacBook Pros are having case sealing issues.

Apple makes a great operating system. The iPods up until the current generation were great. But lately, all of their products have serious build quality issues.

That sucks but what are you going to do about it You can't really do much I don't like it but it won't really stop me from buying I just wish it was better.
 
I did buy the HP ;) I bought my first HP before my Mac. The motherboard in the HP went bad, so I bought my Mac while I went through the motions to get the HP repaired.

Eventually ended up with the HP I have now with a C2D, dedicated GPU, 2GB of RAM, etc. while I ended up with another MacBook that has build quality issues.

Even my friends MacBook Pros are having case sealing issues.

Apple makes a great operating system. The iPods up until the current generation were great. But lately, all of their products have serious build quality issues.

Ah yes I remember now. Sorry my mistake.
Well hey I know where your coming from anyway. But I suppose it can happen to any manufacture. I've had my old dell replaced 6 times. And they replaced it with a new model with better specs each time. Kinda p*ssed me off though after a while as it was hassle.
 
That sucks but what are you going to do about it You can't really do much I don't like it but it won't really stop me from buying I just wish it was better.

See, the thing is, if you continue to buy mediocre products then you are telling the company that its okay for them to build sub-par units and sell them at prices that are well beyond what they are truly worth.

Look at Apple. Their build quality on their Macs and the iPods continues to plummet. The iMacs have issues with condensation behind the screens, the MacBook Pros can warp and dent and have screen issues, the MacBooks have issues with discoloration, case separation, uneven backlights, cracking due to heat.. The current iPod nanos still have tilted screens, the iPod classic puts out 0.5v pulses through the line-out when the unit is powered down.

But the thing is, Apple doesn't listen to their customers. Even though the build quality issues are increasing, Apple won't admit to it until a particular issue goes mainstream and countless people come forward after it gets media attention. If Engadget and other sites hadn't reported on the discoloring problems of the MacBook, you know as well as I do that Apple would still be telling people its a cosmetic wear and tear issue and that its not covered by warranty.

Look at what happened with HP awhile ago. People were up in arms over the build quality issues of the DV5000 and DV8000 notebooks. People also complained endlessly about HP's "Case Manager" team. What did HP do? They listened to peoples complaints and now the DV6500/6700 and the DV9500/9700 are two of the most well built notebooks available today. Their Case Manager team is now filled with people who speak English that answer the phone every time you call.

My HP, which can be configured for around $1,100 in its current form with 2GB of HP's RAM, is built signifcantly better my MacBook. The bottom case is just as tough as the MacBook (at least, before it went to Flextronics), the LCD plastic is actually stronger, and there are no parts that can simply separate.

Even if OS X is better than Windows (aside from a few things that Windows is better at, no questionas asked, like video playback), it doesn't make sense to continue paying the premium when the hardware has such bad build quality issues.

The only Mac I'd consider purchasing in the future is the Mac mini. Hard for it to have build quality issues. If it had a dedicated GPU, you could throw Windows on it and it would be the ultimate HTPC.
Well hey I know where your coming from anyway. But I suppose it can happen to any manufacture. I've had my old dell replaced 6 times. And they replaced it with a new model with better specs each time. Kinda p*ssed me off though after a while as it was hassle.

Thats basically how things are going with my MacBook right now. I'd take a Dell over a Mac right now though. Dell's current warranty is leagues above AppleCare. If a Dell's case had simply separated, they would have had someone at my house the next day to take care of the problem. I wouldn't be going on 2 weeks now without my system. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes a third.
 
Flextronics still has my system. A supervisor is supposed to be inspecting it before sending it back out.

If they don't ship it out today, I'm told Apple will be requesting a Saturday delivery for me. That'd be nice. I just want it back in good condition with a sealed and strong case.
 
I must confess I am very impressed that you are taking it this way and that you have tolerated spending so much time on it. :)

Well, theres not too much else I can do haha.

I'm really not looking for an upgrade via replacement. Even if I was, it's certainly not worth it at this moment in time. Especially not with the horror that is the GMA X3100 and the fact that, aside from a couple of things, it performs worse than the previous GMA 950 and is considerably less stable.

Stability is more important to me and I'd rather have the more stable GMA 950 than get a frame or two more in one of the few things where the X3100 is slightly faster.

It really does make me mad to see some people around here who have had their MacBook replaced (and upgraded as a result) then have a slight problem with the new one and say things like "THATS IT! I'M TELLING APPLE TO UPGRADE ME TO A MACBOOK PRO!" :rolleyes: Apple is legally obligated to replace the system after a reasonable number of failed repair attempts, but they're certainly not obligated to even consider an upgrade, let alone an upgrade that is not even in the neighborhood of what you originally purchased.

Anyway, I really wish they'd get my system back to me.

In the 11 and a half months I've owned a Mac, I've been without one for roughly 6 weeks due to Flextronics.

I really do miss the problem free days of when I built my own PCs. I never had any kind of real problems other than a couple of software hiccups until I got into the world of notebooks and Macs.
 
Laptops are just not built to last anymore they used to be but now not so much Desktops are True and Proven they last "Forever" They can be upgraded and kept for far longer but they aren't portable So there's always trade offs

Good luck getting it back and in one working piece. I'm guessing you will never buy a Mac Laptop (or any for that matter) Until Quality is fixed.
 
Laptops are just not built to last anymore they used to be but now not so much Desktops are True and Proven they last "Forever" They can be upgraded and kept for far longer but they aren't portable So there's always trade offs

Good luck getting it back and in one working piece. I'm guessing you will never buy a Mac Laptop (or any for that matter) Until Quality is fixed.

Something that costs $1400 after taxes SHOULD be built to last!

My HP seems to be built to last. The bottom casing is tougher than any spot on the Mac and theres no part on it at all that could just separate the way my MacBook's case did. Many parts on the unit are user-serviceable as well. The only one that really isn't would be the CPU fan. But even then, you can download the service manual and replace it with a spare part you can get on ebay for around $20. And it doesn't require complete surgery either. Just a few removed screws on the bottom and take the bottom case off.

Anyway, checked the status. My MacBook is FINALLY set to ship out tonight and will be here tomorrow morning. FINALLY!
 
Well, I'll have it back sometime within the next 4 hours and 2 minutes. The waiting begins.

Assuming FedEx comes to the right house this time.
 
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