Because everyone will pay more for a slower processor, smaller battery, no backlit keyboard, tiny storage, less ports and worse speakers.
For a fraction of an inch of thickness.
Let's ditch the MBP
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Macbook Pro 13 to be discontinued
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Because everyone will pay more for a slower processor, smaller battery, no backlit keyboard, tiny storage, less ports and worse speakers.
For a fraction of an inch of thickness.
Let's ditch the MBP
Because everyone will pay more for a slower processor, smaller battery, no backlit keyboard, tiny storage, less ports and worse speakers.
For a fraction of an inch of thickness.
Let's ditch the MBP
slower processor = doesn't really matter for most consumers
smaller battery = well, it's a smaller computer. crazy how that works?
no backlit keyboard = backlit keyboards are annoying. i don't need to look at the keyboard to know where the keys are.
tiny storage = my 3+ year old MacBook HD is 80GB, and its nowhere near full
less ports = doesn't matter for most consumers
worse speakers = because that matters in a light laptop, right?
Heh, this thread is so crazy. They are far, far more likely to axe the white MacBook, as it's the same price as the 11" MBA and offers little except an optical drive and a better CPU.
I'd expect them to kill off the white MacBook approximately the same time they introduce a 15" MBA. I think both are almost a sure-bet, but of course I'm just taking a guess. Steve said the MBA was the 'future', which would of course indicate that they are going to push in that direction.
I'd expect them to kill off the white MacBook approximately the same time they introduce a 15" MBA. I think both are almost a sure-bet, but of course I'm just taking a guess. Steve said the MBA was the 'future', which would of course indicate that they are going to push in that direction.
I know, it's like 50% of people have the 13" MBP! I have seen a couple of 15" models though!
At work we sell much more 13" MBPs compared to the white MacBook, 15" MBP we probably sell almost as much as the MacBook, barely any 17" MBP sold.
Uh, what?
I would not trade my 13" MBP for an MBA. If I were making the chioce today, I'd still pick the MBP.
The MBA is a great computer if you want a second computer. But for those of us just picking one comptuer for both our main computer and travel needs, I like having more ports (I can connect my keyboard, backup hard drive, monitor, iphone all at once), having a lot more hard drive space (128 GB just doesn't do it. I think I'd already have that hard drive full right now), having a DVD drive, a more powerful processor, more RAM (and being able to add more RAM and being able to have more RAM total even after added), for honestly, not much more size and *cheaper*.
So tell me, why would I pick an MBA as my one and only computer when I have the option of the MBP? And if I didn't have the option of the MBP (which would sadden me greatly), I'd probably consider the MB over the MBA solely cause of ability to have a bigger hard drive and cheaper price (which would sadden me, I don't want to go back to Apple's crappy plastic enclosures that are practically guarenteed to crack no matter how nice you treat them as well as losing hte nice black border around the screen, less RAM capability, backlit keyboard which I think just has a nicer appearance to be honest, an additional outlet, firewire, so I can connect more things at once).
Don't get me wrong, I like the MBA, but I consider it more a competitor of the iPad (least the 11.6"), something that most people who get it are getting it as a second computer to have something ultra portable over what they already have. But better than the iPad in my opinion. Far better (keyboard and running a real OS to me is way better). Personally, I think the 13" is going to do just as well as the last MBA, it competes too much with the MBP and I think the MBP definitely wins out (it really isn't that much bigger than the MBA). I have the complete opposite opinion of you, it doesn't make sense to buy the MBA when it's more expensive, not as powerful (not just processor but RAM which is really important. Having 4 GBs makes my MBP perform far better than my MB despite the processors themselves not having a big difference. And oh yeah, my 3 year old MB has a faster processor than the Air, half hte RAM and can be upgraded to have more RAM than the Air), and can't hold as much info.
The MBA only has one less USB port than the 13 inch MBP. I haven't used the superdrive in my macbook pro other than to test that it works.
The only thing that the MBA is lacking is an ethernet port.
The MBP 13 is the most popular laptop because it was the cheapest "pro" macbook - people want unibody. Now that the Air is price competitive and more compelling, I think the air will take a lot of the 13's market-share and eventually replace the 13.
The only thing that the MBA is lacking is an ethernet port.
The MBP 13 is the most popular laptop because it was the cheapest "pro" macbook - people want unibody. Now that the Air is price competitive and more compelling, I think the air will take a lot of the 13's market-share and eventually replace the 13.
FWIW I don't think the 13" MBP is going anywhere for the time being. When optical drives get dumped and the rest of the line adopts the wedge shape, then the MBA will be the one to disappear, along with the 13" white Macbook.
On a side note though, Jobs also killed the iPod mini, which at the time was the best selling MP3 player in history.
Don't think sales make a big difference, because they don't if they think they can supersede it with something better.
On a side note though, Jobs also killed the iPod mini, which at the time was the best selling MP3 player in history.
Don't think sales make a big difference, because they don't if they think they can supersede it with something better.
too busy doing other things eh ??Hey I live in New Zealand too
ohhhh yes of course. thats the exact logic that people will use
seriously? can i ask how old you are?
i can think of so many reasons why people choose the 13" MBP, and why apple should keep it.
• MBP has nearly 2x battery life as the 13" MBA
• MBP support 2x more RAM
• MBP will soon be upgraded to have 4 threads
• MBP would be ~1.5x-2x more powerful CPU wise
• MBP will be more powerful GPU wise - largely thanks to apple underclocking the GPU
• MBP can hold ~3x the HDD storage
there are many more reasons of course. i see the 13" MBP being superior in every way compared to the MBA except for compactness.
No way.
Apple's portable lineup is pretty stream lined - They only have 3 product types,
MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro.
The MacBooks are used extensively in the education sector - heaps of kids get these for school.
The Macbook Pro 13 inch is their most popular Mac.
If anything I think the 17 inch Macbook would be the one to fall off the shelf.
aussie_geek
Apple's portable lineup is pretty stream lined - They only have 3 product types,
MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro.
The MacBooks are used extensively in the education sector - heaps of kids get these for school.
The Macbook Pro 13 inch is their most popular Mac.
If anything I think the 17 inch Macbook would be the one to fall off the shelf.
aussie_geek
That is true but only if Apple decides to add a discrete GPU for 13". Sandy Bridge's IGP will be better than the current one but 320M should still be better, although I'd like to know the clocks of 320M in MBA to be more certain.
I seriously doubt that Apple will EOL 13" MBP, that's their bestselling computer! When 13" MBP gets updated, it should get better specs so MBA vs MBP will be a tougher fight. If the ODD is removed, then Apple can turn the 13" into an amazing computer
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has anybody gotten the official clocks from the 320M? i noticed that
1. apple did not give feedback for gaming performance or of GPU/CPU in keynote - which they generally are SO proud of, and
2. they dont have any comparisons on the apple website for MBA.
that indicates that its probably very largely underclocked
MBP 13" will hopefully get i3 - if GPU options are good enough.
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Well then, since you're obviously describing your very own preferences here, buy a MacBook Air.
Other users (such as myself), though, are more productive with faster processors, like a backlit keyboard, have a >500 GB internal hard drive, and watch movies on their laptop sometimes, which makes them appreciate the MacBook Pro's speakers.
Why would Apple want to stop selling those users a laptop that pretty much perfect for them (i.e., powerful, but not as much of a behemoth as the larger MacBook Pros are)? If they stopped making the small MacBook Pro, I'd probably just stop buying new Apple laptops until the MacBook Air is as at least as fast as my current top-of-the-line 13" MacBook Pro. That means they'd miss out on one or two >$1,000 sales, and I might not be the only one thinking along those lines.
too busy doing other things eh ??
Well played, sir
I bet all the Americans don't get it though...
Well played, sir
what happens in NZ, stays in NZ
I don't think Apple will discontinue the 13" MBP. I have both the newest version of the 13" MBP and upped the HD to 500gig. Two days ago I bought the 13" MBA. There is a big difference as far as speed....yes, even with the Flash Drive. Don't get me wrong, it's a speedy machine. The built in iSight camera is not as good and clear as the MBP. For someone who wants a fully functioning machine to travel with, not having to worry if your brought the ethernet adaptor, or have firewire, the 13" MBP is the way to go. If it's have the lightest machine as possible with large drive, the 13" MBA is the way to go.
I travel for work and that extra pound and a half makes a world of difference. I will stick with the MBA for the road and add a desktop machine at some point. I do hook up the MBA and pro to a 27" Cinema display which is awesome!
This week will be the real test with the MBA. I know I will miss certain things with the MBP, especially the backlit keyboard.
I see Apple adding more to the pro, especially a higher resolution screen. Making it even better than it is now. Not everyone wants a 15 or 17" MBP. I see more 13" MBP than 15" when at the airports.
Let us not forget, there are so many other types of Windows machines that many manufactures supply. Apple is the only one with it's OS. As it grows as a company, it needs to broaden it's product selections. It's the way it will get to having 25% of the pc business....maybe even more. So the 13" MBP is here to stay, and I'm sure we will see many more different types of machines!
I travel for work and that extra pound and a half makes a world of difference. I will stick with the MBA for the road and add a desktop machine at some point. I do hook up the MBA and pro to a 27" Cinema display which is awesome!
This week will be the real test with the MBA. I know I will miss certain things with the MBP, especially the backlit keyboard.
I see Apple adding more to the pro, especially a higher resolution screen. Making it even better than it is now. Not everyone wants a 15 or 17" MBP. I see more 13" MBP than 15" when at the airports.
Let us not forget, there are so many other types of Windows machines that many manufactures supply. Apple is the only one with it's OS. As it grows as a company, it needs to broaden it's product selections. It's the way it will get to having 25% of the pc business....maybe even more. So the 13" MBP is here to stay, and I'm sure we will see many more different types of machines!
1.4GHz vs 2.4GHz is not just slightly and the 13" models with the 1.86GHz is 100$ more and still 22.5% Slower
Actually, the new MacBook Air has also 2 USB Ports as the 13" Pro has, but it lacks Ethernet, FireWire 800 and the SD Slot
The Air is a good Laptop for those who also have a Desktop, but the 13" Pro can make it as a Main computer easily, you can upgrade the HD to 1TB, The Ram to 8GB
So I guess that It would eat a market that the iPad already ate, the market for the people who want to drop 1000$ for a Lighter computer than a MacBook Pro, and a 999$ Netbook is doomed in this Post-Netbook time where the Tablets are selling
not the 11" Model, and the 13" is more expensive than the MBP anyway, so i don't think they would compete there
I think that more probable is the Macbook line being chopped, all Macbook Pros become Macbooks, and the Macbook Air gets a tiny price drop to make it 999.